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There's still other intelligent life to behold on Venus.

Sorry if that rains bad news for our crack NASA wizards.
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There's still other intelligent life to behold on Venus.

Sorry if that rains bad news for our crack NASA wizards.

Your delusions are bad news only for you, nutbar.

--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank.]

On Mar 11, 10:03 pm, Bill Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:01:17 +0000 (UTC), "BradGuth"

wrote:
"BradGuth" wrote in message
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There's still other intelligent life to behold on Venus.

Sorry if that rains bad news for our crack NASA wizards.

Your delusions are bad news only for you, nutbar.
--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank.]

Perhaps much like yourself, the warm and fuzzy likes of "David
Johnson" is simply yet another infomercial spewing naysayer, as from
the very get-go he'd much rather believe in anything and absolutely
everything as promoted or published by or otherwise media/infomercial
approved of by our NASA teams of all-knowing wizards. Obviously his
kind of silly anti-topic contribution is simply another total
fabricated lie, every bit as bogus as were all of those Muslim WMD.
So what's actually new?

At the very least, the newish and thus active planetology of Venus
offers us loads more of just about anything and everything under the
sun, that is unless you're a certified Usenet naysay moron (aka Old
Testament flatulating fart), in which case even Earth sucks
(especially those parts occupied by Muslims).

The regular laws of physics apply, as do the results of replicated
science. Unfortunately, none of that hardly matters when you're still
trying to pull off or otherwise justify the ultimate grand ruse/sting
of our mutually perpetrated cold-war century, and otherwise trying to
pillage and rape mother Earth for all she's worth, and then some.

There's obviously no surface ice to behold on Venus, but there's
certainly all the renewable energy in that nifty and rather newish
world that you can possibly need for extracting as much h2o as you'd
like, and for otherwise making all the artificial ice or perhaps
frozen h2o2 you'd care to have at your disposal. Venus is anything
but a dead Mars like planet.

Too bad the very best of Usenet expertise is anything but.

Guth Venus site #2 and #3 are considerably more subjective
interpretations than of the Guth Venus site No.1. There's only
perfectly good enough reasons to consider these other two sites as
being most likely what I've suggested, even though there simply is not
sufficient resolution for most of us to deal with.
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/new-sites.html
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm

If I'd applied better PhotoShop, as such the surrounding terrain of
what's most likely of hot rock and whatever's the local soil or
perhaps of all of that supposed melted lead (though why the hell not
melted gold) would become as equally enhanced as for the village or
township like setting that's hosting all of those extremely
interesting structures and infrastructure. Even the small 1:1 crop of
raw pixel information is simply good enough image information to
suggest upon intelligent other life existing/coexisting upon Venus.

If you folks simply can't be bothered as to sharing an honestly open
mindset, then I most certainly can't be bothered as to try any honest
efforts at sharing whatever little I happen to know is worth sharing.

Such image interpretations are not easy (just ask our resident warlord
about all of those WMD that turned out being every bit as stealth as
Usama bin Laden). Your best interpretations are in fact going to be
different than mine, which really doesn't bother myself as long as you
are honestly trying to see the potential of whatever's within the
original 36 look/pixel image (that's similar to 36 stacks of a given
CCD composite image) are having to suggest as to a reasonably positive
or yaysay mindset.

In other words, if you folks start yourself off within the usual
mainstream naysay boxed mindset, you might as well forget about
whatever's within the image interpretation of even appreciating all of
those surrounding hot rocks, because no matters what, in that case
nothing whatsoever counts, just as though you're Amish or perhaps
Muslim about such photographs, yet you'll believe each and every NASA/
Apollo related photograph is God's truth and nothing but the truth,
that pertains to such representing the one and only real thing. (go
figure)
-
Brad Guth

If Mars was ever into kicking any serious butt, it's having done such
without benefit of having all that much salt, as well as having gone
without a magnetosphere or a worthy moon to boot. Titan and possibly
Ceres, or even Sedna with it's redish ice offers more life worthy butt
kicking potential than Mars.

An Earth w/o magnetosphere, w/o moon is simply a much larger Mars.
Give or take a thousand years, and we're either toast and/or we're
soon enough becoming Mars like.

We're deep into achieving our point of no return, of the ongoing GW
thawing process of losing our surface ice caps, while most all of that
nifty Mars sequestered ice isn't going anywhere without a good enough
moon for keeping that planetology core and of a surface of interactive
tidal forced environment(s) alive and kicking, as is very much the
case for mother Earth.

Pat Flannery:
"Subject: Very wet Mars?"
As in thirty-plus feet deep water over its entire surface if melted?
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0703/15marsice/

Mars polar aquafur/aquifer ice is certainly worth our knowing about,
as it represents the grim remainder of what obviously used to be a
geothermally active and only somewhat atmospheric protected planet
before having lost it's essential magnetosphere.

Even if we're talking 1% Earth wet, Mars is missing most of its salt.
All the water upon Earth and within it's wet atmosphere might
represent as much as 9,000'(2.743 km) as covering a smooth orb. Thus
30+'(9.15 m) in depth of covering such a wussy little orb as Mars is
hardly worth a good spit.

At that near vacuum, what would the rate of evaporation be?
After the great thaw, would there be any salty remainders?

Perhaps Mars was a mostly a swamp and/or of some other geothermally
forced muck like fresh water planet, whereas otherwise the necessary
quantity of Mars salt simply doesn't seem to coexist, as though it had
been nearly entirely missed upon getting its fair share of salt to
begin with, or perhaps as having subsequently been strip-mined or
somehow otherwise having its salt extracted.

Is there yet an unknown atmospheric process of having extracted salt
from such a cold and dry environment? (I don't think so)

If whatever deposited such massive amounts of rock salt and ocean
volumes of salty water upon Earth (roughly 1.5e19 kg of Na) should
have happened at roughly the same time for the benefit of Mars, as
then perhaps our Mars probes should have been operating fairly deep
within the remainders of such Mars salt, of having at least 1.5e17 kg
of whatever Na to deal with.

Have those salty types of minerals and percentage or PPM worth of
whatever's Martian rock salt been established from those robotic
samples taken and processed thus far?

Is salt too complicated of an element as to detect, much less
quantify?

Are there per chance any signs of Martian diatoms to behold?

Other than going by way of various observational derived speculations,
as to our having interpreted upon what sort of looks as though it's of
a Mars salt like substance, it seems as though our very own reactive
moon with its argon and sodium atmosphere has offered more solids of
salt to behold than Mars. What gives?

As I've said before, there's little argument from myself that Mars
once upon a geothermally forced time had surface water, and that it
still does have a wee bit of local or deposited salt, though as of
thus far it's simply not indicating as having near enough (Na) volume
or bulk as to hardly matter, especially if such salt(s) had been once
upon a time made wet enough as for sustaining other significant life
(meaning intelligent, as to being of something more worthy than mere
microbes and/or diatom like spores).

If Mars once offered as little as 1% the surface volumes of water as
Earth, whereas such there should have been those remainders of its
global salt (say at least 1% of our 1.5e19 kg = 1.5e17 kg), and
thereby even that scant 1% worth of our terrestrial salt is what
actually represents quite a great deal of salt to have kept hidden on
Mars.

What I'm otherwise driving at, is simply pondering the research based
notions, that Mars is much older than Earth, and that Earth is much
older than Venus, and that our somewhat recent moon (as having arrived
since the last ice age) that's so much bigger and nearby than most
seems a whole lot more salty than Mars, almost as though this solar
system was assembled over a great period of time, as we've been
dragged along by the likes of the Sirius star/solar system, and of
likely having received a few items from its vast Oort cloud of icy
moons and planet sized debris.

At least our somewhat salty moon, as being so massive and nearby, is
what's more than making up for the ongoing loss of Earth's core energy
that's supposedly somewhere in the range of shedding 78 mw/m2, whereas
our moon's gravity of tidal forced influence has been so much so
helping that it has become by far our primary GW consideration like
none other. Obviously adding our global dimming soot into the ongoing
GW demise of our frail environment that's also losing its portective
magnetosphere at the daunting rate of -.05%/year isn't exactly
helping, at least not any more so than our artificial methods of
having been evaporating water that's only adding to our atmospheric
cache of having to hold said water vapor, which currently ranges
anywhere from 13e12 tonnes to as much as 150e12 tonnes, depending
entirely upon whichever hocus-pocus or conditional physics driven
science you'd care to take to the bank.

It's as though we don't hardly know of or much less appreciate our
very own Earth, yet having spent countless billions upon billions,
while having essentially invested decades of our very best talents and
resources upon going after whatever's further away than Venus seems
almost sadistic, if not insane.
-
Brad Guth

On 19 Mar 2007 06:17:26 -0700, wrote:

On Mar 11, 10:03 pm, Bill Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:01:17 +0000 (UTC), "BradGuth"

wrote:
"BradGuth" wrote in message
. com

There's still other intelligent life to behold on Venus.

Sorry if that rains bad news for our crack NASA wizards.

Your delusions are bad news only for you, nutbar.

[blah, blah, bull****, bull****]

If you folks simply can't be bothered as to sharing an honestly open
mindset, then I most certainly can't be bothered as to try any honest
efforts at sharing whatever little I happen to know is worth sharing.

Then shut the **** up, loon.


[blah, blah, bull****, bull****]


--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank.]

This mostly Old Testament faith-based Usenet is simply deathly afraid
of the truth and nothing but the truth, especially if there's another
one of their very own MIB shadows attached.

Clearly our moon is causing us a rather nasty bout of GW trauma,
that'll soon enough get forgotten all about once our WWIII gets
further under way. So, there's not much point in relocating our moon
into Earth's L1, because by then there will not be enough souls
remaining alive on whatever's left of this GW smoking hot Earth,
that'll give a tinkers damn.

These seemingly nice folks of this WWW.naysayvill of Usenet's anti-
think-tank hell on Earth, that insist in keeping with their Old
Testament ways, imposing that Earth is their one and only viable
planet as intended for accommodating these mostly Jewish humans within
this entire universe that otherwise sucks, are at best really
something special when it comes down to being so narrow mindset and
otherwise so downright faith-based nasty about enforcing all of it.

I'm not at all certain if I can get myself far enough down, as to
meeting their extremely low standards for such inefficient if not
totally pathetic intelligent design, or otherwise qualify on behalf of
their 100+ billion year happenstance of mother/father nature doing its
random evolution thing, that supposedly created us upon this one and
only viable planet of theirs.

Seems to me that there should actually be lots of nifty but entirely
different than Earth planets and/or moons, upon which smart enough
folks could manage to survive, and of those smarter yet capable of
interplanetary commuting, if not a few species capable of
accomplishing something interstellar worthy.

The others of us thinking, that as of somewhat recently other
intelligent life had existed upon Mars is equally pushing the outer
limits of my mindset. Although I'm not excluding Martian microbes and/
or spore like forms of life that may even still coexist underground or
within sufficient ice, whereas much larger forms of even the most
weird life would be highly unlikely unless they've evolved into having
rad-hard DNA, as well as for having damn little need of heat or o2.
However, as for going back a billion years seems to suggest that
almost anything was possible as derived from the active geothermal
core.

Applied technology would likely make for human life on Mars doable, at
perhaps a trillion dollars per 100 kg/year should do that trick, or
possibly as little as a mere billion dollars per 100 kg if it's
intended as a one-way ticket to ride. That's certainly spendy but
none the less becoming doable as long as spending 1% of that amount
for accomplishing Venus is simply out of the question. God forbid,
they wouldn't want to waste any of their all-knowing talents or
resources upon improving or otherwise salvaging our frail environment,
as that too is against their Old Testament status quo of making the
rest of us pay for everything, including with our lives if need be.

So, if that big old and nearby moon isn't representing or otherwise
offering the least bit of whatever physics of GW trauma to worry
about, then perhaps nothing is worth so much as a kind thought, nor so
much as another mention until it's too late. Meanwhile, China, India
and Germany are each headed for our moon, and perhaps even Japan will
make a run for taking up the moon's L1 position (the holy grail of
Star-Wars high ground). We energy starved Americans on the other
hand, whereas we'll still be trying our best to defend all of that
Muslim oil that's in Iraq, while also nuking Iran on the side. The
only global energy thing that's left for us to pillage and fight over
is yellowcake.

Why to worry our dumbfounded selves over GW, especially if there's the
ongoing WWIII and of WWIV over global energy reserves to look forward
to?
-
Brad Guth

Here's another slightly corrected/polished reply, as intended for
those that see no problems whatsoever with their excessively spending
most all of our hard earned loot on their off-world hobby, that which
seems to include their continued snookering of all the rest of us
village idiots. (it's no wonder these folks see nothing the least bit
wrong with our resident warlord's actions, as well as accepting upon
whatever our government has done in the past or plans upon doing in
the near future is perfectly OK, as long as they get to do their
thing)

How about instead of our wasting such supposed talents, draining our
best resources and having mostly lost precious time, why not instead
they should be talking to us about our somewhat salty old moon that's
not of Earth, telling us when that big old icy sucker arrived and of
how we subsequently obtained our seasonal tilt. If they're so gosh
darn smart, as such they can start off by telling us of whatever it's
going to take for relocating our moon, such as out to Earth's L1, so
that a significant and/or perhaps do-everything lid can once and for
all be placed upon our GW fiasco, that's going to need all the help it
can get.

Unfortunately, our "Taboo/Nondisclosure Moon" actually doesn't hold
much of a candle to the fire that's continually burning up all of
those hard earned billions upon billions of dollars, as for getting
badly spent on behalf of Mars, or of worse yet upon whatever it's
taking for going far beyond.

In spite of all that blown loot and lost time on behalf of whatever
life might have once upon a time existed on Mars, that at best sucks
real bad, and/or is of life that's going to remain as damn spendy to
boot, if not a touch lethal to our environment. If Mars life was ever
into kicking any serious butt, it's having done such without benefit
of having all that much salt, as well as having gone without a
magnetosphere or a worthy moon to boot. Titan and possibly Ceres, or
even Sedna with it's reddish ice offers more life worthy butt kicking
potential than Mars, and we obviously can't humanly go to/from either
of those places, much less return with anything worthy of humanity or
that of salvaging our badly failing environment.

An Earth w/o magnetosphere, w/o moon is simply a much larger Mars.
Give or take another iffy thousand years, and we're either toast and/
or we're soon enough on the road to becoming Mars like.

We're rather deep into achieving our point of no return, of the
ongoing GW thawing process of losing our surface ice caps, while most
all of that nifty Mars sequestered ice isn't going anywhere without a
good enough moon for keeping that planetology core and whatever
surface of interactive tidal forced environment(s) alive and kicking,
as is very much the case for mother Earth.

Pat Flannery:
"Subject: Very wet Mars?"
As in thirty-plus feet deep water over its entire surface if melted?
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0703/15marsice/

Mars polar aquafur/aquifer ice is certainly worth our knowing about,
as it represents the grim remainder of what obviously used to be a
geothermally active and only somewhat atmospheric protected planet,
that is before having lost it's essential magnetosphere.

Even if we're talking 1% Earth wet, Mars is missing most of its salt.
All the water upon Earth and within it's wet atmosphere might
represent as much as 9,000'(2.743 km) as covering a smooth orb. Thus
30+'(9.15 m) in depth of covering such a wussy little orb as Mars is
hardly worth a good spit.

At that near vacuum, what would the rate of evaporation be?
After the great thaw, would there be any salty remainders?

Perhaps Mars was a mostly a cool swamp and/or of some other
geothermally forced muck like fresh water planet, whereas otherwise
the necessary quantity of Mars salt simply doesn't seem to coexist, as
though it had been nearly if not entirely missed upon getting its fair
share of salt to begin with, or perhaps as having subsequently been
strip-mined or somehow otherwise having its salt extracted.

Is there yet an unknown atmospheric process of having extracted salt
from such a cold and dry environment? (I don't think so)

If whatever deposited such massive amounts of rock salt and ocean
volumes of salty water upon Earth (roughly 1.5e19 kg of Na) should
have happened at roughly the same time for the benefit of Mars, as
then perhaps our Mars probes should have been operating fairly deep
within the remainders of such Mars salt, of their having at least
1.5e17 kg of whatever Na to deal with.

Have those salty types of minerals and of their percentage or PPM
worth of whatever's Martian rock salt been established from those
robotic samples taken and processed thus far?

Is salt too complicated of an element as to detect, much less
quantify?

Are there per chance any signs of Martian diatoms to behold?

Other than going by way of various observational derived speculations,
as to our having interpreted upon what sort of looks as though it's of
a Mars salt like substance, it seems as though our very own reactive
moon with its argon and sodium atmosphere has offered more solids of
salt to behold than Mars. What gives?

As I've said before, there's little argument from myself that Mars
once upon a geothermally forced time had surface water, and that it
still does have a wee bit of local or deposited salt, though as of
thus far it's simply not indicating as having near enough (Na) volume
or bulk as to hardly matter, especially if such salt(s) had been once
upon a time made wet enough as for sustaining other significant life
(meaning intelligent, as to being of something more worthy than mere
microbes and/or diatom like spores).

If Mars once offered as little as 1% the surface volumes of water as
Earth, whereas such there should have been those remainders of its
global salt (say at least 1% of our 1.5e19 kg = 1.5e17 kg), and
thereby even that scant 1% worth of our terrestrial salt is what
actually represents quite a great deal of salt to have kept hidden on
Mars.

What I'm otherwise driving at, is simply pondering the research based
notions, that Mars is much older than Earth, and that Earth is much
older than Venus, and that our somewhat recent moon (as having arrived
since the last ice age) that's so much bigger and nearby than most
seems a whole lot more salty than Mars, almost as though this solar
system was assembled over a great period of time, as we've been
dragged along by the likes of the Sirius star/solar system, and of
likely having received a few items from its vast Oort cloud of icy
moons and planet sized debris.

At least our somewhat salty moon, as being so massive and nearby, is
what's more than making up for the ongoing loss of Earth's core
thermal energy, that's supposedly somewhere in the range of shedding
78 mw/m2, whereas our moon's gravity of tidal forced influence has
been so much so helping that it has become by far our primary GW
consideration like none other. Obviously adding our global dimming
soot into the ongoing GW demise of our frail environment that's also
losing its protective magnetosphere at the daunting rate of -.05%/year
isn't exactly helping, at least not any more so than our artificial
methods of having been evaporating water that's only adding to our
atmospheric cache of having to hold said water vapor, which currently
ranges anywhere from 13e12 tonnes to as much as 150e12 tonnes,
depending entirely upon whichever hocus-pocus or conditional physics
driven science you'd care to take to the bank.

It's as though we don't hardly know of or much less appreciate our
very own Earth, yet having spent countless billions upon billions,
while having essentially invested decades of our very best talents and
resources upon going after whatever's further away than Venus seems
almost sadistic, if not insane.

We can't even honestly accomplish our moon's L1, much less the moon
itself, yet a fuzzy if not hocus-pocus future of spending more than a
trillion per decade seems likely without hardly a dollar going towards
resolving our need of accomplishing a substantial cache of solar and
wind derived renewable energy, much less for extracting from the
energy that's existing between Earth and our moon.
-
Brad Guth

Instead of these all-knowing folks (often MI/NSA spooks and moles)
telling us their same old mainstream infomercial crapolla, such as
informing us as to how supposedly wet Mars had once been, tell us what
we don't know about our highly unusual moon, about Venus, or about the
Sirius star/solar system that might relate to those pesky ice ages and
otherwise of our ongoing GW fiasco, that sees no apparent end in sight
as long as we keep holding onto that nasty moon of ours.

Here's another slightly corrected/polished contribution, as intended
for those that see no problems whatsoever with their excessively
spending most all of our hard earned loot on their off-world hobby,
that which seems to include their continued snookering of all the rest
of us village idiots.

(it's no wonder these silly Usenet clowns see nothing the least bit
wrong with our resident warlord's actions, as well as accepting upon
whatever our government has done in the past or plans upon doing in
the near future is all perfectly OK, as long as they get to do their
thing at the same ongoing expense and/or demise of others)

How about instead of our wasting such supposed talents, draining our
best resources and having mostly lost precious time, why not instead
they should be talking to us about our somewhat salty old moon that's
not of Earth, telling us when that big old icy sucker arrived and of
how we subsequently obtained our seasonal tilt. If they're so gosh
darn smart, as such they can start off by telling us of whatever it's
going to take for relocating our moon, such as out to Earth's L1, so
that a significant and/or perhaps do-everything lid can once and for
all be placed upon our GW fiasco, that's going to need all the help it
can get.

Unfortunately, our "Taboo/Nondisclosure Moon" actually doesn't hold
much of a candle to the fire that's continually burning up all of
those hard earned billions upon billions of dollars, as for getting
badly spent on behalf of Mars, or of worse yet upon whatever it's
taking for going far beyond.

In spite of all that blown loot and lost time on behalf of whatever
life might have once upon a time existed on Mars, that at best sucks
real bad, and/or is of life that's going to remain as damn spendy to
boot, if not a touch lethal to our environment. If Mars life was ever
into kicking any serious butt, it's having done such without benefit
of having all that much salt, as well as having gone without a
magnetosphere or a worthy moon to boot. Titan and possibly Ceres, or
even Sedna with it's reddish ice offers more life worthy butt kicking
potential than Mars, and we obviously can't humanly go to/from either
of those places, much less return with anything worthy of humanity or
that of salvaging our badly failing environment.

An Earth w/o magnetosphere, w/o moon is simply a much larger Mars.
Give or take another iffy thousand years, and we're either toast and/
or we're soon enough on the road to becoming Mars like.

We're rather deep into achieving our point of no return, of assisting
the ongoing GW thawing process of what's losing our surface ice caps,
while most all of that nifty Mars sequestered ice isn't going anywhere
without a good enough moon for keeping that planetology core and
whatever surface of interactive tidal forced environment(s) alive and
kicking, as is very much the case for mother Earth.

Pat Flannery:
"Subject: Very wet Mars?"
As in thirty-plus feet deep water over its entire surface if melted?
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0703/15marsice/

Mars polar aquafur/aquifer ice is certainly worth our knowing about,
as it represents the grim remainder of what obviously used to be a
geothermally active and only somewhat atmospheric protected planet,
that is before having lost it's essential magnetosphere.

Even if we're talking 1% Earth wet, Mars is missing most of its salt.
All the water upon Earth and within it's wet atmosphere might
represent as much as 9,000'(2.743 km) as covering a smooth orb. Thus
30+'(9.15 m) in depth of covering such a wussy little orb as Mars is
hardly worth a good spit.

At that near vacuum, what would the rate of evaporation be?
After the great thaw, would there be any salty remainders?

Perhaps Mars was a mostly a cool swamp and/or of some other
geothermally forced muck like fresh water planet, whereas otherwise
the necessary quantity of Mars salt simply doesn't seem to coexist, as
though it had been nearly if not entirely missed upon getting its fair
share of salt to begin with, or perhaps as having subsequently been
strip-mined or somehow otherwise having its salt extracted.

Is there yet an unknown atmospheric process of having extracted salt
from such a cold and dry environment? (I don't think so)

If whatever deposited such massive amounts of rock salt and ocean
volumes of salty water upon Earth (roughly 1.5e19 kg of Na) should
have happened at roughly the same time for the benefit of Mars, as
then perhaps our Mars probes should have been operating fairly deep
within the remainders of such Mars salt, of their having at least
1.5e17 kg of whatever Na to deal with.

Have those salty types of minerals and of their percentage or PPM
worth of whatever's Martian rock salt been established from those
robotic samples taken and processed thus far?

Is salt too complicated of an element as to detect, much less
quantify?

Are there per chance any signs of Martian diatoms to behold?

Other than going by way of various observational derived speculations,
as to our having interpreted upon what sort of looks as though it's of
a Mars salt like substance, it seems as though our very own reactive
moon with its argon and sodium atmosphere has offered more solids of
salt to behold than Mars. What gives?

As I've said before, there's little argument from myself that Mars
once upon a geothermally forced time had surface water, and that it
still does have a wee bit of local or deposited salt, though as of
thus far it's simply not indicating as having near enough (Na) volume
or bulk as to hardly matter, especially if such salt(s) had been once
upon a time made wet enough as for sustaining other significant life
(meaning intelligent, as to being of something more worthy than mere
microbes and/or diatom like spores).

If Mars once offered as little as 1% the surface volumes of water as
Earth, whereas such there should have been those remainders of its
global salt (say at least 1% of our 1.5e19 kg = 1.5e17 kg), and
thereby even that scant 1% worth of our terrestrial salt is what
actually represents quite a great deal of salt to have kept hidden on
Mars.

What I'm otherwise driving at, is simply pondering the research based
notions, that Mars is much older than Earth, and that Earth is much
older than Venus, and that our somewhat recent moon (as having arrived
since the last ice age) that's so much bigger and nearby than most
seems a whole lot more salty than Mars, almost as though this solar
system was assembled over a great period of time, as we've been
dragged along by the likes of the Sirius star/solar system, and of
likely having received a few items from its vast Oort cloud of icy
moons and planet sized debris.

At least our somewhat salty moon, as being so massive and nearby, is
what's more than making up for the ongoing loss of Earth's core
thermal energy, that's supposedly somewhere in the range of shedding
78 mw/m2, whereas our moon's gravity of tidal forced influence has
been so much so helping that it has become by far our primary GW
consideration like none other. Obviously adding our global dimming
soot into the ongoing GW demise of our frail environment that's also
losing its protective magnetosphere at the daunting rate of -.05%/year
isn't exactly helping, at least not any more so than our artificial
methods of having been evaporating water that's only adding to our
atmospheric cache of having to hold said water vapor, which currently
ranges anywhere from 13e12 tonnes to as much as 150e12 tonnes,
depending entirely upon whichever hocus-pocus or conditional physics
driven science you'd care to take to the bank.

It's as though we don't hardly know of or much less appreciate our
very own Earth, yet having spent countless billions upon billions,
while having essentially invested decades of our very best talents and
resources upon going after whatever's further away than Venus seems
almost sadistic, if not insane.

We can't even honestly accomplish our moon's L1, much less the moon
itself, yet a fuzzy if not hocus-pocus future of spending more than a
trillion per decade seems likely without hardly a dollar going towards
resolving our need of accomplishing a substantial cache of solar and
wind derived renewable energy, much less for extracting from the
energy that's existing between Earth and our moon.

Doing Venus isn't 1% the cost of accomplishing the same task for
Mars. At least you can efficiently go about your business (if need be
all 19 months worth of it) as safely within that composite rigid
airship, transporting yourself safely above the geothermally toasty
surface of Venus, without hardly expending energy or having to ever
set a hot foot on that deck.
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Brad Guth

And once again we still have those nasty little brown-nosed MI/NSA
clowns and Art's farts to deal with.

Too bad I'm 100% right about our NASA, about our government and
apparently more right than I'd thought about all of those smart Jewish
Third Reich minions that have been calling all the important shots
ever since they got rid of Jesus Christ, and then having lost their
replacement boss, Hitler.

I see that the truth and nothing but the truth is simply imposing too
much trauma for this anti-think-tank of a mostly infomercial spewing
Old Testament Usenet from hell can ever hope to deal with.

Apparently hocus-pocus conditional physics and otherwise need to know
science is about as good as it ever gets.
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Brad Guth