Convincing Arguments for a Moon Hoax? Sleuths?

SO YOU CAN WATCH WITH YOUR OWN EYES THE 'OFFICIAL NASA FOOTAGE' THAT
PROVES THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD THE WHOLE TRUTH!!!

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html

One of the main anomalies that leads me to believe that the Moon
footage was taken on a film set is the fact that the same mountains
appear on different Apollo missions which are supposed to be landed
several hundreds of miles from each other. In the following sequences
you will even see the camera pan across the landscape that at one point
includes the Lunar Landing Module. In another shot from the same
mission, we see the very same mountains, but no Lander? How can this be
when the mountains appear to be exactly the same distance away from the
camera?

http://www.tntleague.com/misc/StrangeM.rm


This film shows two different Apollo missions, which are supposed to be
in different areas of the Moon, but show the exact same mountains in the
background.

http://www.tntleague.com/misc/strangem2.rm

One of the worst sun flares ever recorded happened in August 1972, which
was between the Apollo 16 and 17 missions. This single flare would have
delivered 960 rem of virtually instant death to any astronaut who was up
in Space, and yet all of the Apollo astronauts were carrying out their
missions in what amounts to nothing more than a thick linen suit. These
pressure suits may have helped protect the astronauts against heat or
micro meteorites, but certainly would not have given any radiation
protection. By the way, there is no known method of registering when and
how strong Solar flare activity will be. So, I guess NASA just struck lucky!

The radiation would have greatly affected the film that was shot on the
Moon. Physicist Dr David Groves Ph.D., has carried out radiation tests
on similar film and found that the lowest radiation level (25 rem)
applied to a portion of the film after exposure made the image on the
film almost entirely obliterated. Why didn't that happen to the Apollo
films?

Readers will be interested to hear that the biggest Solar Flare for 25
years was recorded in April, 2001. So sceptics who are claiming that
NASA know when the Solar Flares are going to appear are talking rubbish
- as usual... If this were the case, why didn't they bring down the
astronauts from the Shuttle and ISS if they knew this gigantic Solar
Flare was about to erupt?

HJP Arnold is an astronomer and keen photographer, an expert on space
and astro photography and was the assistant to the Managing Director at
Kodak during the Apollo years. He has also authored many space
photography books. He comments that the film that was supplied by Kodak
for the missions was essentially the same as used here on Earth. it was
exachrome 64 ASA or ISO as it is called today. He has commented that you
would expect to see some small dots on the films where a high velocity
nuclear particle had hit the film, however no evidence of this
whatsoever has come forward. The only thing that would protect the film
from this damage would be a thick layer of lead around the camera
casing, which according to Hasselblad was not used. Let's also remember
that the films were changed whilst outside on the Moon's surface and not
in any controlled environment.


3) There should have been a substantial crater blasted out under the
LEM's 10,000 pound thrust rocket. Sceptics would have you believe that
the engines only had the power to blow the dust from underneath the LEM
as it landed. If this is true, how did Armstrong create that famous boot
print if all the dust had been blown away?

27) CNN issued the following report, "The radiation belts surrounding
Earth may be more dangerous for astronauts than previously believed
(like when they supposedly went through them thirty years ago to reach
the Moon.) The phenomenon known as the 'Van Allen Belts' can spawn
(newly discovered) 'Killer Electrons' that can dramatically affect the
astronauts' health."

28) In 1969 computer chips had not been invented. The maximum computer
memory was 256k, and this was housed in a large air conditioned
building. In 2002 a top of the range computer requires at least 64 Mb of
memory to run a simulated Moon landing, and that does not include the
memory required to take off again once landed. The alleged computer on
board Apollo 11 had 32k of memory. That's the equivalent of a simple
calculator.

29) If debris from the Apollo missions was left on the Moon, then it
would be visible today through a powerful telescope, however no such
debris can be seen. The Clementine probe that recently maps the Moons
surface failed to show any Apollo artefacts left by Man during the
missions. Where did the Moon Buggy and base of the LEM go?



http://www.moonmovie.com/
Surrounding the earth, beginning at an altitude of 1,000 miles and
extending an additional 25,000 miles, lie lethal bands of radiation
called the Van Allen Radiation Belts. Every manned space mission in
history (including Mercury, Gemini, Soyuz, Skylab and the Space Shuttle)
has been well below this deadly radiation field... all except Apollo.
Recently uncovered footage of the crew of the Apollo 11 staging part of
their mission proves that the astronauts never made it beyond earth orbit.


Mo
The goal was to fool the Soviet Union about US strategic capability
during the height of the cold war. Deceit, Greed and Injustice... A sad
thing happened on the way to the moon. The truth will astound you!

13. The Soviets had a five-to-one superiority to the U.S. in manned
hours in space. They were first in achieving the following seven
important milestones:

1. First manmade satellite in earth orbit…
2. First man in space…
3. First man to orbit the earth…
4. First woman in space…
5. The first crew of three astronauts onboard one spacecraft…
6. The first space walk…
7. The first of two orbiting space craft rendezvousing…

And yet they didn't go to the Moon? Sleuths?

7. The moon is 250,000 miles away. The space shuttle has never gone more
than 400 miles from the Earth. Except for Apollo astronauts, no humans
even claim to have gone beyond low-earth orbit. When the space shuttle
astronauts did get to an altitude of 400 miles, the radiation of the Van
Allen belts forced them to a lower altitude. The Van Allen radiation
belts exist because the Earth's magnetic field traps the solar wind. See
streaming video: "Radiation Belts."
http://www.moonmovie.com/radiation_belt.ram

4. Take a look at the lunar module which supposedly flew from lunar
orbit to the surface of the moon. It is a cylindrical shape with a high
center of gravity and one big thrust engine at the bottom. Upon just
looking at this design, to think it would not immediately pinwheel and
crash, as the lunar module trainer did three weeks prior on Earth, is
absurd.

Mad Scientist wrote in
le.rogers.com:

SO YOU CAN WATCH WITH YOUR OWN EYES THE 'OFFICIAL NASA FOOTAGE' THAT
PROVES THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD THE WHOLE TRUTH!!!

As you are so fond of telling others... Go do your research!

http://www.clavius.org/

Paul Lawler wrote:

Mad Scientist wrote in
le.rogers.com:


SO YOU CAN WATCH WITH YOUR OWN EYES THE 'OFFICIAL NASA FOOTAGE' THAT
PROVES THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD THE WHOLE TRUTH!!!


As you are so fond of telling others... Go do your research!


Anger noted.



http://www.clavius.org/

They don't answer the Van Allen belt mystery very adequately.

They don't answer the stability of the lunar lander. ( I watched a show
on Discovery where engineers were trying to make another type of rocket
which would take off and land - and it crashed on the first test - and
this was 30 years after the Moon missions)

They say nothing about the two separate landing sites which are identical.

They say nothing about film exposure to radiation in the vacuum of space.

They say nothing about the gravitational mystery.

They say nothing about mapping missions of the moon's surface done in
recent times which showed no evidence of a lunar landing site.

They say nothing about why the Russians never went to the moon when
their biggest rocket made the Saturn V look tiny by comparison.

They say nothing about Shuttle astronauts who observed 'radiation' when
just approaching the Van Allen Belts (even with their eyes closed).

They say nothing about why a few astronauts resigned right after the
'successful missions'.


They say nothing about many other things, and by omission must mean they
have no answer and hope no one will notice.

"Mad Scientist" wrote in message
le.rogers.com...
SO YOU CAN WATCH WITH YOUR OWN EYES THE 'OFFICIAL NASA FOOTAGE' THAT
PROVES THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD THE WHOLE TRUTH!!!

A week or two ago, you were posting links to a supposed UFO that Apollo 16
astronauts had photographed (nevermind that it was an easily explained, no
mystery about it item in reality).

This week you're claiming the Moon Landings were a hoax.

Both stances can't be correct, which is it? Did nobody ever go to the
Moon, or were the Apollo 16 astronauts there to snap that photo?

Either you believe one and are simply playing games by posting the other,
or, more likely, you're playing games on both items.

"Algomeysa2" wrote in
link.net:

"Mad Scientist" wrote in message
le.rogers.com...
SO YOU CAN WATCH WITH YOUR OWN EYES THE 'OFFICIAL NASA FOOTAGE' THAT
PROVES THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD THE WHOLE TRUTH!!!

A week or two ago, you were posting links to a supposed UFO that
Apollo 16 astronauts had photographed (nevermind that it was an easily
explained, no mystery about it item in reality).

This week you're claiming the Moon Landings were a hoax.

Both stances can't be correct, which is it? Did nobody ever go
to the Moon, or were the Apollo 16 astronauts there to snap that
photo?

Either you believe one and are simply playing games by posting the
other, or, more likely, you're playing games on both items.

Oh yes... he forgot to tell you up front. If you happen to be be able to
prove him wrong about anything, he didn't really mean it, and you are a
fool for being a part of his "little psyche (sic) experiment."

In message .net,
Algomeysa2 writes
"Mad Scientist" wrote in message
ble.rogers.com...
SO YOU CAN WATCH WITH YOUR OWN EYES THE 'OFFICIAL NASA FOOTAGE' THAT
PROVES THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD THE WHOLE TRUTH!!!

A week or two ago, you were posting links to a supposed UFO that Apollo 16
astronauts had photographed (nevermind that it was an easily explained, no
mystery about it item in reality).

This week you're claiming the Moon Landings were a hoax.

Both stances can't be correct, which is it? Did nobody ever go to the
Moon, or were the Apollo 16 astronauts there to snap that photo?

Either you believe one and are simply playing games by posting the other,
or, more likely, you're playing games on both items.


Doublethink - the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's
mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. ... To tell deliberate
lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has
become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw
it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the
existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the
reality which one denies -- all this is indispensably necessary. Even in
using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For
by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a
fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so o
indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.
George Orwell, 1984

Man this guy keeps getting more pathetic each and every day!

(Sarcasm mode on)

I'd like to thank the parents and teachers of the world for doing such a
great job with the children.

(Sarcasm mode off)




On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:47:27 +0000, Mad Scientist wrote:

SO YOU CAN WATCH WITH YOUR OWN EYES THE 'OFFICIAL NASA FOOTAGE' THAT
PROVES THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD THE WHOLE TRUTH!!!

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html

Ray Vingnutte wrote:

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:08:58 GMT
Mad Scientist wrote:



Paul Lawler wrote:


Mad Scientist wrote in
. cable.rogers.com:



SO YOU CAN WATCH WITH YOUR OWN EYES THE 'OFFICIAL NASA FOOTAGE'

THAT PROVES THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD THE WHOLE TRUTH!!!


As you are so fond of telling others... Go do your research!


Anger noted.



http://www.clavius.org/

They don't answer the Van Allen belt mystery very adequately.

They don't answer the stability of the lunar lander. ( I watched a
show on Discovery where engineers were trying to make another type of
rocket which would take off and land - and it crashed on the first
test - and this was 30 years after the Moon missions)

They say nothing about the two separate landing sites which are
identical.

They say nothing about film exposure to radiation in the vacuum of
space.

They say nothing about the gravitational mystery.


Mad, did you read the first footnote of that link I posted earlier?.
If not, do so.


Just so you know, the government and the military worldwide has their
own language to refer to UFO's and Extraterrestrial craft. Radio Ham
operators have reported (and recorded in some cases) hearing Shuttle
astronauts refer to 'santa claus' being sighted, and 'bogies' being
sighted. One transmission from the Apollo teams recorded by radio
hackers, records an astronaut who is obviously extremely excited
screaming, 'My God, its huge! I had no idea...what kind of...could
produce something so huge!' and another..."they're here...yes, they are
here now....they are following us....", then mission control says,
"please switch to **** coded channel" These are a just a few of the
samples of recordings which have been played at UFO conferences.


Further a newspaper article appeared in Canada which was a story about a
letter sent to the office of the Prime Minister (PMO) and it was a
written request by DoD (intelligence consulants within the Department of
Defense) that the PMO set up an intelligence oversight commitee
throughthe Military in order to 'spy on UFO believers' because they
'might make contact with a hostile ET race'. The story leaked to the
press who swiftly interviewed the PMO which supposedly responded with
ridicule over the DoD letter. This did happen and illustrates the level
of secrecy this subject retains in the corridors of military and
scientific and political power around the world. Also the event took
place after I (yes I was the one involved) who announced on the
internet, on a UFO newsgroup that I will prove to the world that Contact
is possible, and I named the specific location, and time - upon which it
was noticed by many other observers who reported it to the RCMP as well
as the DoD the very next day that they saw 'something which resembled 5
unkown objects flying in a V formation all over the city for about 15
minutes' before they vanished. (I did not report the sighting to the
newgroup or any UFO watchdog organization feeling the subject matter is
truly only for those who want it.) I sent this story to Dr. Greer and I
was later contacted by CSETI and invited to partake in their
conferences, but instead choose to give them all the information I could
on how to make contact with the Higher Intelligence. They have later
tested and proved what I told them, and you can find this information on
their web site.


--
Just the fact the government went to the trouble to open an
investigation into UFO's prove they exist. After all the government
doesn't open investigations into the existence of the Tooth Fairy or
Santa Claus now do they.

I have seen textbooks which show artist conceptions of what a moon base
will look like and these were from the 60's and early 70's. Yet the
Moon missions were cancelled. Why? Plus the technology was shelved for
what reason? Meanwhile the Russians were still carrying on with their
space missions, and according to National Geographic magazine, 300
launches annually. Their biggest rocket dwarfed the Saturn V and yet
the western media says about that rocket, 'it can't make it to the
moon'. And yet the Russian space launch city known as Starcity
apparently also dwarfs what the Americans have at Cape Canaveral.

So be default, the American press and NASA is claiming to be the only
country capable of going to the Moon, and Russians are thus inept and
utterly incapable all this time since the 60's? I don't buy into that
line of reasoning because it leads to all sorts of false and ridiculous
conclusions. Meanwhile what justified the billions of dollars spent in
going to the Moon in the first place? No one has yet answered it other
than to say that it was politics? Absurd. Maybe to take home a bunch
of pictures and a few rocks? That line of reasoning is patently absurd
right? Meanwhile the Russians and Americans are shaking hands in space,
while supposedly down here 'fighting the Cold War'.

The Hubble team claimed they couldn't take pictures of the Moon's
surface when asked for proof of the lunar landing sites. Then they
released one single image of the moon which makes a radio shack
telescope seem powerful. They do this despite making claims that it
could photograph a fly in Tokyo if it were in New York.

Further recent mapping missions of the moon's surface revealed not one
single scrap of evidence of any landing sites (remember the moon buggy)
which would silence any detractors. NOT ONE according to researchers who
poured over the data and images.

Algomeysa2 wrote:

"Mad Scientist" wrote in message
le.rogers.com...

SO YOU CAN WATCH WITH YOUR OWN EYES THE 'OFFICIAL NASA FOOTAGE' THAT
PROVES THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD THE WHOLE TRUTH!!!


A week or two ago, you were posting links to a supposed UFO that Apollo 16
astronauts had photographed (nevermind that it was an easily explained, no
mystery about it item in reality).

This week you're claiming the Moon Landings were a hoax.

Both stances can't be correct, which is it?

You tell me, since you figure I am 'stupid'.

Did nobody ever go to the
Moon, or were the Apollo 16 astronauts there to snap that photo?

Either you believe one and are simply playing games by posting the other,
or, more likely, you're playing games on both items.

You are pitiful really.

Fredrick Garvin wrote:

Man this guy keeps getting more pathetic each and every day!

(Sarcasm mode on)

I'd like to thank the parents and teachers of the world for doing such a
great job with the children.

(Sarcasm mode off)




On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:47:27 +0000, Mad Scientist wrote:


SO YOU CAN WATCH WITH YOUR OWN EYES THE 'OFFICIAL NASA FOOTAGE' THAT
PROVES THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD THE WHOLE TRUTH!!!

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html