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....AN OPEN LETTER TO THE IGNORANT MASSES !!!!!
I've Been Patient, I've tried to be reasonable. But it's time to speak clearly and plainly. I dare anyone to respond, to attempt to show the following statements are wrong. But be warned, they are not wrong, and I will embarrass you if your responses are lazy and ignorant. In another thread I wrote. SPS has officially crossed the first big hurdle in it's inevitable comeback. And someone responded, doesn't matter who, this is aimed at everyone within earshot. "economic viability" apparently isn't one of the "tests of potential success". What is important is that people believe it can succeed. If 'you' knew a whit about reality, science or nature, you would already know this. Obviously, you haven't progressed beyond the simple blackboard versions of each. Which is to say not even an entry level of understanding of how reality works. Natural processes are responsible for the creation of the most spectacular 'solutions' or creations known to exist. Life and intelligence. If we apply the processes responsible for our own creation to this problem, our energy future, we will be applying the greatest problem solving process in the ....known universe. We will be applying the processes of Darwinian evolution to this particular problem. If you think you can do better, you define arrogance and ignorance. I'm sure that you believe in Darwin, after all, most that don't are pegged as kooks, religious nuts or worse. So, do you believe in Darwin? I am simply claiming we can apply the processes of Darwinian evolution to this, and any, given problem. Therefore producing a problem solving technique that rivals nature. A problem solving technique that defines .....the best this universe... can provide. But I'm certain you will reject and ridicule this possibility. And even worse, you will do so without even understanding the very first thing about this idea. To dismiss and ridicule what you know absolutely nothing about defines...again .....arrogance and ignorance. Which is a typical and common response. So, are you typical, common, arrogant and ignorant? Or will you even attempt to get the gist of this idea? I cannot explain it in ten words or less. I cannot convey it to the close-minded that believe science has already discovered ...all.. that it ever will. Are you that type? If so, please don't pretend you have any knowledge, love or appreciation for science. And don't bother responding. Let me know, if you wish to have an intelligent discussion, and are open to new ideas. Then I can explain why that quesion is entirely irrelevant to a solution to this problem. And how to use Darwin for generic problem solving. HINT: It is not possible to know in advance the final product of an evolutionary system. The best solution must be allowed to emerge as it will from evolutionary processes. Unless, of course, you believe 'God' or ..fairies decided in advance our every single human characteristic and nuance. Are you that type? Do you believe in rational thought, or not? Do you believe in Darwin or not? Do you believe we are intelligent enough to apply the lessons of Nature to our problem solving? Or do you believe humanity is little more than well-behaved animals. Let me know, because /I know/ that if we apply the lessons of Nature in a rigourous and scienific way, we can .....CHANGE THE WORLD. And make the world a far better place. I believe this, and all I want is that as many others believe this also. So that humanity can at last exit the Dark Ages. And finally find our way to Utopia. It's there for the taking, I know this for a fact. Jonathan http://necsi.org/publications/dcs/index.html http://www.calresco.org/sos/sosfaq.htm http://www.calresco.org/themes.htm http://www.physics.princeton.edu/~steinh/ s |
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....AN OPEN LETTER TO THE IGNORANT MASSES !!!!!
On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 01:56:53 -0500, in a place far, far away,
"jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: I've Been Patient, I've tried to be reasonable. presumably typical hysterical nonsense by jonathan snipped I didn't bother to read this, since it obviously wasn't aimed at me, judging from the title... But how do you propose to get the actual ignorant masses to read your wacky epistles? |
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....AN OPEN LETTER TO THE IGNORANT MASSES !!!!!
jonathan wrote: I've Been Patient, I've tried to be reasonable. No you haven't, you have a track history of butting in on any conversation and trying to change it to your agenda regardless of the topic - a classic 'mission poster'. But it's time to speak clearly and plainly. I dare anyone to respond, to attempt to show the following statements are wrong. But be warned, they are not wrong, and I will embarrass you if your responses are lazy and ignorant. In another thread I wrote. SPS has officially crossed the first big hurdle in it's inevitable comeback. Presumably "SPS" is something like solar power satellite? I am simply claiming we can apply the processes of Darwinian evolution to this, and any, given problem. Therefore producing a problem solving technique that rivals nature. A problem solving technique that defines .....the best this universe... can provide. But I'm certain you will reject and ridicule this possibility. Good guess, Darwinian evolution has a number of basic requirements, the first of which is the ability to reproduce. Satellites don't do that, nor do we yet have the technology to give them that ability, nor do we have the millions of years it takes for evolutionary process to work in the real world. One current method for design optimisation uses the evolutionary technique within the context of a simulation where certain parameters are allowed to vary and the best combinations propagated with random variations to succeeeding generations. In that environment, generations can be analysed in a fraction of real time. You're not the first to come up with this idea and it was put into practice in areas where it is appropriate years ago. George |
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....AN OPEN LETTER TO THE IGNORANT MASSES !!!!!
"George Dishman" wrote in message ps.com... | | jonathan wrote: | I've Been Patient, I've tried to be reasonable. | | No you haven't, [snip river of ****] ****in' argumentative ****headed moron. |
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....AN OPEN LETTER TO THE IGNORANT MASSES !!!!!
George Dishman wrote: Good guess, Darwinian evolution has a number of basic requirements, the first of which is the ability to reproduce. Satellites don't do that, nor do we yet have the technology to give them that ability, nor do we have the millions of years it takes for evolutionary process to work in the real world. If they are going to reproduce they are going to need added mass to produce their young, where that mass will come from is a good question; are they to consume other satellites like predators? Pat |
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....AN OPEN LETTER TO THE IGNORANT MASSES !!!!!
"Pat Flannery" wrote in message ... George Dishman wrote: Good guess, Darwinian evolution has a number of basic requirements, the first of which is the ability to reproduce. Satellites don't do that, nor do we yet have the technology to give them that ability, nor do we have the millions of years it takes for evolutionary process to work in the real world. If they are going to reproduce they are going to need added mass to produce their young, where that mass will come from is a good question; are they to consume other satellites like predators? Clearly, after all I'm sure Jonathon would confirm that being a predator is more sustainable than cannibalism so that would be how they would evolve. George |
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....AN OPEN LETTER TO THE IGNORANT MASSES !!!!!
George Dishman wrote: Clearly, after all I'm sure Jonathon would confirm that being a predator is more sustainable than cannibalism so that would be how they would evolve. I think you end up with this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Changeling.jpg :-) Pat |
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....AN OPEN LETTER TO THE IGNORANT MASSES !!!!!
"George Dishman" wrote in message ps.com... jonathan wrote: I've Been Patient, I've tried to be reasonable. No you haven't, you have a track history of butting in on any conversation and trying to change it to your agenda regardless of the topic - a classic 'mission poster'. Fine, what has that to do with the idea? A problem solving technique that defines .....the best this universe... can provide. But I'm certain you will reject and ridicule this possibility. Good guess, Darwinian evolution has a number of basic requirements, the first of which is the ability to reproduce. Satellites don't do that, nor do we yet have the technology to give them that ability, nor do we have the millions of years it takes for evolutionary process to work in the real world. But my hobby is the abstract mathematics of Darwinian evolution. Abstract means universally applicable. This is my claim, that this mathematics has achieved this ability. To be applied to any complex dynamic system....living or not. One current method for design optimisation uses the evolutionary technique within the context of a simulation where certain parameters are allowed to vary and the best combinations propagated with random variations to succeeeding generations. In that environment, generations can be analysed in a fraction of real time. You're not the first to come up with this idea and it was put into practice in areas where it is appropriate years ago. Years ago, things have changed. Your understanding is dated. It is now appropriate with any real world problem. It is now appropriate in any discipline from sociology, to particle physics to philosophy. If you don't believe me, click the links yourself What I'm trying to do is boil these ideas down to the most abstract and generic possible. To ease the transistion from one discipline to another. http://necsi.org/publications/dcs/index.html http://icam.lanl.gov/ http://www.calresco.org/sos/sosfaq.htm http://www.psych.lse.ac.uk/complexity/ http://www.calresco.org/themes.htm http://www.comdig.org/index.php?id_issue=2003.32#12323 http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0521...50#reader-link http://www.physics.princeton.edu/~steinh/ s George |
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....AN OPEN LETTER TO THE IGNORANT MASSES !!!!!
"George Dishman" wrote in message ... "Pat Flannery" wrote in message ... George Dishman wrote: Good guess, Darwinian evolution has a number of basic requirements, the first of which is the ability to reproduce. Satellites don't do that, nor do we yet have the technology to give them that ability, nor do we have the millions of years it takes for evolutionary process to work in the real world. If they are going to reproduce they are going to need added mass to produce their young, where that mass will come from is a good question; are they to consume other satellites like predators? Can ideas reproduce themselves? Take on a life of their own and adapt? Can ideas change the world? Can you even think in abstract terms? Clearly, after all I'm sure Jonathon would confirm that being a predator is more sustainable than cannibalism so that would be how they would evolve. George |
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....AN OPEN LETTER TO THE IGNORANT MASSES !!!!!
jonathan wrote: "George Dishman" wrote in message ps.com... jonathan wrote: I've Been Patient, I've tried to be reasonable. No you haven't, you have a track history of butting in on any conversation and trying to change it to your agenda regardless of the topic - a classic 'mission poster'. Fine, what has that to do with the idea? context restored In another thread I wrote. SPS has officially crossed the first big hurdle in it's inevitable comeback. Presumably "SPS" is something like solar power satellite? I am simply claiming we can apply the processes of Darwinian evolution to this, and any, given problem. Therefore producing a problem solving technique that rivals nature. A problem solving technique that defines .....the best this universe... can provide. But I'm certain you will reject and ridicule this possibility. Good guess, Darwinian evolution has a number of basic requirements, the first of which is the ability to reproduce. Satellites don't do that, nor do we yet have the technology to give them that ability, nor do we have the millions of years it takes for evolutionary process to work in the real world. But my hobby is the abstract mathematics of Darwinian evolution. Fine, what has that to do with the idea? You were suggesting using an evolutionary technique applied to solar power satellites, you didn't mention maths. Using evolutionary techniques within the modelling as part of the design process is appropriate where systems are too complex for analytical techniques to give an immediate answer, but that's completely different from launching a bunch of satellites and letting them fight for survival and breeding rights. Abstract means universally applicable. No it doesn't: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...ne:%20abstract George |
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