Who attaches the Orion Docking Adapter to the ISS?

So the $3.9B question.

No shuttle extension, means there will be "the gap".

How much will it cost us to contract the Russians to send up
an Orion docking adapter for attachment to the shuttle
docking port?

Or is it a de-facto Orion requirement that it be able to
dock with the existing shuttle docking port?

What was the original Constellation CEV plan for this?
Use an Ares V that an Orion would rendevous and dock
with and then tranport to the ISS for installation?

Also AFAICT we have no US equiv to a Progress vehicle.
And no Ares V. So what's the plan?

Dave

David Spain wrote:

So the $3.9B question.

No shuttle extension, means there will be "the gap".

How much will it cost us to contract the Russians to send
up
an Orion docking adapter for attachment to the shuttle
docking port?

Or is it a de-facto Orion requirement that it be able to
dock with the existing shuttle docking port?

What was the original Constellation CEV plan for this?
Use an Ares V that an Orion would rendevous and dock
with and then tranport to the ISS for installation?

Also AFAICT we have no US equiv to a Progress vehicle.
And no Ares V. So what's the plan?

Dave

Cygnus and Falcon, private ventures. For years NASA was
decried for preventing private space businesses, now they are
encouraging them (in fact, optimistically betting on them).
The first Dragon launch comes in May (demonstrator only, no
ISS approach). Cross your fingers it is as successful as the
HTV was, which is the other alternative for launching the
docking adapter.

Mike

Mike Ross writes:
Cygnus and Falcon, private ventures. For years NASA was
decried for preventing private space businesses, now they are
encouraging them (in fact, optimistically betting on them).
The first Dragon launch comes in May (demonstrator only, no
ISS approach). Cross your fingers it is as successful as the
HTV was, which is the other alternative for launching the
docking adapter.

Mike

Right, I've been down this path before and how APAS/LIDS
conversion is done via ATLAS was explained to me, by Jorge
IIRC.

But I never inquired way back then as to 'how' ATLAS was
to be delivered. I suppose back then I thought maybe the
last shuttle of an extended shuttle run, but now that
is not possible. Just trying to connect the dots.

Anything about this in 'official' print somewhere?

I've got this link from 2009 on ATLAS

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/hy...-standard.html

but nothing on how to get it there...

Dave

Didn't cross-post correctly, sorry for the duplicate in sci.space.station...

David Spain writes:
Mike Ross writes:
Cygnus and Falcon, private ventures. For years NASA was
decried for preventing private space businesses, now they are
encouraging them (in fact, optimistically betting on them).
The first Dragon launch comes in May (demonstrator only, no
ISS approach). Cross your fingers it is as successful as the
HTV was, which is the other alternative for launching the
docking adapter.

Mike

Right, I've been down this path before and how APAS/LIDS
conversion is done via ATLAS was explained to me, by Jorge
IIRC.

But I never inquired way back then as to 'how' ATLAS was
to be delivered. I suppose back then I thought maybe the
last shuttle of an extended shuttle run, but now that
is not possible. Just trying to connect the dots.

Anything about this in 'official' print somewhere?

I've got this link from 2009 on ATLAS

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/hy...-standard.html

but nothing on how to get it there...

Dave

David Spain wrote:
Mike Ross writes:
Cygnus and Falcon, private ventures. For years NASA was
decried for preventing private space businesses, now they are
encouraging them (in fact, optimistically betting on them).
The first Dragon launch comes in May (demonstrator only, no
ISS approach). Cross your fingers it is as successful as the
HTV was, which is the other alternative for launching the
docking adapter.

Mike

Right, I've been down this path before and how APAS/LIDS
conversion is done via ATLAS was explained to me, by Jorge
IIRC.

But I never inquired way back then as to 'how' ATLAS was
to be delivered. I suppose back then I thought maybe the
last shuttle of an extended shuttle run, but now that
is not possible. Just trying to connect the dots.

Anything about this in 'official' print somewhere?

I've got this link from 2009 on ATLAS

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/hy...-standard.html

but nothing on how to get it there...

ATLAS is dead, replaced by CDA, which will fly on HTV in the
unpressurized compartment.

On 4/16/2010 11:25 AM, David Spain wrote:

Also AFAICT we have no US equiv to a Progress vehicle.

Cygnus is supposed to be our Progress equivalent:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygnus_spacecraft
....or a unmanned variant of Dragon.

Pat

Pat Flannery writes:
Cygnus is supposed to be our Progress equivalent:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygnus_spacecraft
...or a unmanned variant of Dragon.


Thanks Pat. Once again my ignorance is on display.
I was aware of the Dragon automated cargo capacity,
sheesh some memory I have, but not Cygnus.

Dave

On 4/16/2010 3:22 PM, David Spain wrote:
Pat writes:
Cygnus is supposed to be our Progress equivalent:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygnus_spacecraft
...or a unmanned variant of Dragon.


Thanks Pat. Once again my ignorance is on display.
I was aware of the Dragon automated cargo capacity,
sheesh some memory I have, but not Cygnus.

I hadn't even heard of that till a couple of months ago when I was
digging around for info on COTS and ran into it.
I still like the Robot Samurai face peering out of the Japanese HTV
cargo ship: http://spaceflightnow.com/h2b/htv1/090814fueling/
.... no chance at all that that thing will deploy arms and legs when no
one is watching.
But we have a counter for it if it tries anything funny up there...meet
NASA's killer robot that will ride on the last Shuttle flight:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17912_3-20002479-72.html
So what happened to "Robonaut 1"?
Well, rumor has it that the last thing the Columbia astronauts saw was
it crouching on the port wing, tearing a hole in it while laughing
maniacally.
God-Damn Toaster.
God-Damn Cylon Toaster.

Pat

"David Spain" wrote in message
...
Pat Flannery writes:
Cygnus is supposed to be our Progress equivalent:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygnus_spacecraft
...or a unmanned variant of Dragon.


Thanks Pat. Once again my ignorance is on display.
I was aware of the Dragon automated cargo capacity,
sheesh some memory I have, but not Cygnus.

I've noted that many people here like to downplay Dragon, but very few
people even mention Cygnus. Considering Cygnus is based on a long existing
satellite bus, I've got high expectations for their first flight.

Jeff
--
"Take heart amid the deepening gloom
that your dog is finally getting enough cheese" - Deteriorata - National
Lampoon

On 4/19/2010 10:20 AM, Jeff Findley wrote:

I've noted that many people here like to downplay Dragon, but very few
people even mention Cygnus. Considering Cygnus is based on a long existing
satellite bus, I've got high expectations for their first flight.

Yeah, but they also have to get their Taurus II rocket to work, just
like SpaceX's Falcon 9.

Pat