Congress wants to cut JWST

Le 07/07/11 20:15, Anne Onime a écrit :
"bob wrote in message news:32457e27-8398-40e2-
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http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1107/06jwst/

And rightly so!

Yes!!!

The total cost of JWST is the equivalent of two weeks
Iraq's war (6.5 billion vs around 12 billion per month for Iraq)

Now the U.S. will be able to go on spending for two weeks more!

GREAT!

The total cost is also 7% of the AIG bailout. Now the U.S.
will be able to throw a bit MORE money to those companies. THAT is
money well spent.

Stop spending in astronomy, science, etc. Who cares what lies beyond?

Astronomy has no practical significance. How many dead Iraqis
has the Hubble scope brought us?

There wasn't a single dead person because of Hubble, nothing was
destroyed. This is an unsustainable path and must be scrapped
immediately.

On 7/7/2011 10:15 AM, Anne Onime wrote:
I thought the Europeans were crazy flying
two telescopes on a single Ariane 5 to L1, but those didn't have
complex mechanisms to deploy.

Why didn't they just build another Hubble, bigger and better, but
serviceable robotically with replaceable batteries and reaction wheels
or something? How big a telescope can one fit inside a Atlas V or
Falcon Heavy anyway? Surely something Hubble-sized would fit, right?

I keep wondering if the fact that the JWST was to be launched on a
Ariane V is playing any part in it maybe getting axed?

Pat

On Jul 7, 3:18*pm, jacob navia wrote:
Le 07/07/11 20:15, Anne Onime a crit :

"bob *wrote in message news:32457e27-8398-40e2-
...
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1107/06jwst/

And rightly so!

Yes!!!

The total cost of JWST is the equivalent of two weeks
Iraq's war (6.5 billion vs around 12 billion per month for Iraq)

Now the U.S. will be able to go on spending for two weeks more!

GREAT!

The total cost is also 7% of the AIG bailout. Now the U.S.
will be able to throw a bit MORE money to those companies. THAT is
money well spent.

Stop spending in astronomy, science, etc. Who cares what lies beyond?

Astronomy has no practical significance. How many dead Iraqis
has the Hubble scope brought us?

There wasn't a single dead person because of Hubble, nothing was
destroyed. This is an unsustainable path and must be scrapped
immediately.

truly the wars were a waste.

for the cost of the wars we could of started colonizing mars and
explored the entire planetaary system

"Rick Jones" wrote in message
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Brian Thorn wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 15:19:13 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1107/06jwst/

Hallelujia! Too bad they didn't kill "the beast that ate the space
science budget" two years ago.

Was JWST's "trajectory" as it were any worse than that of Hubble?


The real problem is the Government monitors and industry teams will promise
anything to get the program going. It takes a long time to get a program
through initial approval and startup. But after a point it can live forever
since nobody wants to go back to the starting point. So the schedule slips
and the budget goes through the ceiling and all the new start programs get
stomped out of existence. Congressmen protect work in their districts that's
bringing in even more money. Nobody is held responsible. Heads that roll -
roll up hill. Unfortunately for NASA there's no national rational to have
the greatest telescope - they have a system that can be made an example of,
although my bet is we'll see 2 or 3 DoD programs take major hits, cutbacks
or cancellation in the not too distant future.


Val Kraut

"Brad Guth" wrote in message
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On Jul 6, 8:41 pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
"Brad Guth" wrote in message
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On Jul 6, 5:03 pm, "Jonathan" wrote:



If you want to see really stinky politics, Florida
has to be at near the top of the list. Sometimes
I just can't believe what they get away with.


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That's true. Florida is a rogue nation of GOP/ZNR rednecks.


And come to think of it, the following train of events show
the depths of political and economic depravity of South Florida
in particular.

The Everglades in South Florida created a limited amount
of land for new construction. And that shortage started
a quick escalation of home prices. As it heated up, all kinds
of crooked ideas for mortgages sprang up. People started
'day trading' mortgages down here. It spread and got out of
control. Leading to perhaps the greatest economic blunder
of all time. The massive rescue bill of the banking and
mortgage industries.

Which resulted in the collapse of the stock market. A long
national recession, and world-wide depression follows, that'll
probably last another five years or so.

Really, in all honesty, the US should invade ...South Florida
if we wish to maintain peace and prosperity for all.



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truly the wars were a waste.

for the cost of the wars we could of started colonizing mars and
explored the entire planetaary system

The real problem with wars is - everybody knows how to get the troops on the
beach - but nobody ever seems to have an exit strategy or any idea when to
execute it.

Val
Kraut

On Jul 7, 4:40*pm, "Val Kraut" wrote:
Unfortunately for NASA there's no national rational to have
the greatest telescope

There certainly _is_ a national rationale to have the James Webb Space
Telescope. Advancing scientific knowledge is imperative for human
survival.

John Savard

On 7/7/2011 5:26 PM, Val Kraut wrote:
truly the wars were a waste.

for the cost of the wars we could of started colonizing mars and
explored the entire planetaary system

There's oil we can steal on Mars? :-D

Pat

There certainly _is_ a national rationale to have the James Webb Space
Telescope. Advancing scientific knowledge is imperative for human
survival.

I think you're going to have a hard time convincing the average tax payer
that knowing what's going on at the end of the Universe is essential for
National Survival. Other big science projects like the collider have died -
and yet the Sun still comes up in the morning. It would be interesting to
determine what fraction of the population have even seen a Hubble image.

Val Kraut

If you believe in Fred Hoyle's theories - YES! Maybe you were lucky enoough
to miss those books.

There's oil we can steal on Mars? :-D