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Global climate is not long term weather data
Planetary climates are defined by the degree of inclination within a
spectrum between polar (90 degree inclination) on one side and equatorial (0 degrees inclination) on the other end of the spectrum. http://www2.astro.psu.edu/users/niel...ranus-tilt.jpg Jupiter has an exclusively equatorial climate with a residual polar input whereas Uranus has a polar climate with large fluctuations across all latitudes. The intelligent reader is supposed to delight in extrapolating the polar climate of Uranus from its axial inclination and then correlating this with zero inclination as reflecting an equatorial climate as opposed to the old 'no tilt/no seasons' perspective which is now unsuitable for 21st century purposes. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...icture_big.jpg As an astronomer who actually deals with climate through the discipline of astronomy and planetary dynamics,it is fairly obvious why the Great storm on Jupiter is so persistent insofar as the equatorial climate of that planet does not change the hemispherical conditions as the planet orbits the central Sun whereas the huge fluctuations associated with a polar climate produce pronounced storms at different periods at orbital points such as hurricanes on Earth or the Spring storms of Uranus. http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/arc...leases/1999/11 Looking at people who are desperate to make climate look like long term weather patterns in order to model an outcome for social/ political purposes is far removed from what climate studies actually are - basically an interpretative science that has yet to get up and running properly. |
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"oriel36" wrote in message
... Planetary climates are defined by the degree of inclination within a spectrum between polar (90 degree inclination) on one side and equatorial (0 degrees inclination) on the other end of the spectrum. http://www2.astro.psu.edu/users/niel...ranus-tilt.jpg Jupiter has an exclusively equatorial climate with a residual polar input whereas Uranus has a polar climate with large fluctuations across all latitudes. ============================ Yeah, ok... The intelligent reader =============================== Readers have nothing to do with astronomy. Shut the **** up about the reader, you anonymous empirical thug. -- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway. When the fools chicken farmer Wilson and Van de faggot present an argument I cannot laugh at I'll retire from usenet. |
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On 4/4/13 2:47 AM, oriel36 wrote:
Planetary climates are defined by the degree of inclination within a spectrum between polar (90 degree inclination) on one side and equatorial (0 degrees inclination) on the other end of the spectrum. Some material that can be a starting point for some self-education. http://edu-observatory.org/olli/Clim...te_Change.html |
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On 4/4/2013 10:27 AM, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 4/4/13 2:47 AM, oriel36 wrote: Planetary climates are defined by the degree of inclination within a spectrum between polar (90 degree inclination) on one side and equatorial (0 degrees inclination) on the other end of the spectrum. Some material that can be a starting point for some self-education. http://edu-observatory.org/olli/Clim...te_Change.html chuckle....snicker...LOL |
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On Apr 4, 4:27*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 4/4/13 2:47 AM, oriel36 wrote: Planetary climates are defined by the degree of inclination within a spectrum between polar (90 degree inclination) on one side and equatorial (0 degrees inclination) on the other end of the spectrum. * *Some material that can be a starting point for some self-education.. http://edu-observatory.org/olli/Clim...lobal_Climate_... That is fine of all you wish to do is indoctrinate people into the unfortunate belief that humans have control over global temperatures however global climate is really understood at its widest within context of astronomy which ,of course,depends on the availability of astronomers to promote this proper perspective. It is an unintentional quirk that climate as a word comes from the Greek 'Klima' or inclination yet planetary climate is defined by inclination or the more precise axial orientation of a planet within a spectrum.The attractiveness of observing Uranus as having a polar climate due to its inclination will almost force the reader into accepting that a zero inclination represents an equatorial climate much like that of Jupiter.The Earth has a sizable polar component but is largely equatorial in nature hence the more gentle swings in hemispherical conditions compared to that of Uranus as the planets orbit the central Sun. You cannot argue against observations Sam and certainly not against sequential imaging which clearly shows the necessity of modifying what is presently understood as axial precession by shifting it to an annual orbital feature is order to organize global climate as a function of planetary dynamics which in turn reduces to hemispherical traits we call the seasons.It is simply not possible to build a picture of global climate from the bottom up even though it is possible to introduce as many inputs as is wished after global climate is defined within a spectrum between polar and equatorial. I am sure the Great storm on Jupiter and its longevity sparks some interest in the wider view of an equatorial climate whereas planet's with more pronounced polar inputs,like the Earth,see only brief periods of hurricane activity at orbital junctures,as the background conditions change in response to the orbital behavior of the Earth.Again,it is not possible to construct a hurricane from the bottom up,the background conditions favor hurricane growth and these conditions are founded in astronomical causes. Care to extrapolate the climate spectrum from the images Sam or even recognize there is a spectrum ?.This is what astronomers are supposed to do. http://www2.astro.psu.edu/users/niel...ranus-tilt.jpg |
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On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 10:27:04 -0500, Sam Wormley
wrote: Some material that can be a starting point for some self-education. http://edu-observatory.org/olli/Clim...te_Change.html The very last thing science deniers have any interest in is self-education. |
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On Apr 5, 12:13*am, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 10:27:04 -0500, Sam Wormley wrote: * Some material that can be a starting point for some self-education. http://edu-observatory.org/olli/Clim...lobal_Climate_.... The very last thing science deniers have any interest in is self-education. Climate science,when properly understood within the discipline of astronomy,provides such a depth of satisfaction that the idea of an education is secondary.Astronomical advancement is more about breaking boundaries than disproving any idea or theory,for instance,the old idea of 'no tilt/no seasons' has to give way to a 21st century idea of equatorial conditions when a planet has zero inclination or descriptively - when the daily rotational axis aligns with the ecliptic axis.A polar climate results when the daily axis is at a maximum 90 degrees from the ecliptic axis and that is why those images of Uranus are so important in that they draw the reader's attention to this new perspective - http://www.newscientist.com/data/ima...2529-1_800.jpg The hemispherical terms of the 'seasons' temporarily yield to the larger climate picture bearing down on researchers as correlating an equatorial climate with a polar climate within a spectrum through axial inclination takes precedence over the old view that a planet with no tilt would have no seasons.People will always retain the seasons just as we retain sunrise and sunset however the working principles for weather and climate require the global picture arising from the daily and orbital dynamics of a planet with their individual traits.In this respect,the shift is not a matter of denial but of competence - you actually have to enjoy how an equatorial climate is extrapolated from the images above which clearly demonstrate what a polar climate is. No point in waking up to a world where everyone is trying to squeeze climate science into a minor atmospheric gas while making an awful racket about human control over global temperatures for all that demonstrates is that a minor problem that always existed in natural science investigation has got completely out of control and is now highly unstable.Humboldt's comments would be sufficient to alert readers to this problem which is easier to deal with today than it was in Humboldt's era insofar as modern imaging power and sequential imaging carries with it immediate affirmation and rejection of an ideology - "."This assemblage of imperfect dogmas bequeathed by one age to another — this physical philosophy, which is composed of popular prejudices,— is not only injurious because it perpetuates error with the obstinacy engendered by the evidence of ill observed facts, but also because it hinders the mind from attaining to higher views of nature.Instead of seeking to discover the mean or medium point, around which oscillate, in apparent independence of forces, all the phenomena of the external world, this system delights in multiplying exceptions to the law, and seeks, amid phenomena and in organic forms, for something beyond the marvel of a regular succession, and an internal and progressive development. Ever inclined to believe that the order of nature is disturbed, it refuses to recognize in the present any analogy with the past, and guided by its own varying hypotheses, seeks at hazard,either in the interior of the globe or in the regions of space, for the cause of these pretended perturbations. It is the special object of the present work to combat those errors which derive their source from a vicious empiricism and from imperfect inductions." Homboldt ,Cosmos The problem Peterson is not your language of 'denier' but of general indifference or the inability to break through the obstacles which the vicious strain of empiricism put in place so it could model natural phenomena into intellectual oblivion. |
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