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Old September 2nd 05, 04:53 AM
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Zeppelin's Hobbies store. Free. metrarocketclub.org,
, 973-831-7717,

19:30 - Morristown - NJ - Morris Mus Astro Soc meeting
Morris Museum. Free. 973-386-1848,
,
http://www.morrismuseum.org/static/e...onomical.html-

20:00 - Piscataway - NJ - clearsky starviewing
Rutgers Univ, Schommer Obsy. Free, cancelled for clouds.
732-205-0020, www.physics.rutgers.edu/ast/ast-serin.html


20:00 - Westport - CT - clearsky starviewing - see Sep 1

Fri - Sep 9
09:30 - CUNY Graduate Center - MH - science workshop
'... development around transit' coordinating growth of
towns with transit facilities. Free.
web.gc.cuny.edu/cepp, 212-817-8215

14:00 - Toms River - NJ -cultural show
Also 19:00. Ocean Co Coll, Novis Plm. 'Looking back'
memories of WTC atrocity. Free. 732-255-0343,
www.ocean.edu/campus/planetarium

19:00 - Cranford - NJ - Amat Astro Inc meeting - see Sep 2

19:00 - Yonkers - NY - Westchester Amat Astro meeting
Hudson Rv Mus, Andrus Plm. Free.
www.westchesterastronomers.org,


20:00 - Wilcox Pk - NY - clearsky starviewing
Mid Hudson Astro Assn. Free, cancelled for clouds
mhaa.whodeanie.com. 845-485-5669,


20:00 - Floyd Bennett Field - BK - clearsky starviewing
Natl Pk Svc, NYSkies. Enter from Flatbush Av N of Marine Py
Bg. Free, cancelled for clouds.

, www.aaa.org,

20:00 - Toms River - NJ - Astro Soc of Toms Rv Area mtg
Ocean Co Coll, Novis Plm. Free. www.astra-nj.org,
732-255-0343,

20:00 - Carl Schurz Pk - MH - clearsky starviewing
RISK OF ABUSE AND HOSTILITY
Amat Astro Assn. Finley Walk nr 86th St. Free, cancelled for
clouds.
www.aaa.org, , 212-807-9624

20:00 - Stamford - CT - clearsky starviewing - see Sep 2

20:30 - Warrington - PA - clearsky starviewing
Bucks-Mont Astro Assn. Lower Nike Park. Free.
cancelled for clouds.
www.bma2.org, ,
215-579-9973

21:00 - Lacawac Wdlf Sanctry - PA - clearsky starviewing
Lackawanna Astro Soc. Free, cancelled for clouds.
, members.aol.com/sabiajohn/LAS.html

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NYC EVENTS FOR SEPTEMBER 2005
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John Pazmino
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[REVISED 2005 SEPTMBER 1]


[PART 2 OF 2, CONTINUED FROM PART 1]

Sat - Sep 10
10:00 - Carl Schurz Pk - MH - clearsky sunviewing
RISK OF HOSTILITY AND ABUSE
Amat Astro Assn. Finley Walk nr 86th St. Free, cancelled
for clouds.
www.aaa.org, , 212-807-9624

12:00 - Marine Park - BK - science workshop
Urban Park Rangers. Slat Marsh Natr Ctr. Basics of operating
and interpreting GPS receivers. Free.
www.nyc.gov/parks

10:00 - Greenbelt - SI - cultural show
Urban Park rangers. Greenbelt Natr Ctr. Metropn Mus of Art
demos & crafts for portraying animals in art. Free, adv regn
reqd. www.nyc.gov/parks, 718-351-3450

14:00 - Ft Totten - QN - cultural tour - see Sep 3

16:00 - Toms River - NJ -cultural show - see Sep 9

19:00 - Danbury - CT - astronomy lecture
Western CT St Un, Obsy/Plm. Indoor talk, clearsky
starviewing. Free. 203-837-8671, ,
www.wcsu.ctstateu.edu/starwatch

20:00 - Southold - LI - Custer Inst meeting - see Sep 3

20:00 - Valley Forge St Pk - PA - clearsky starviewing
Delaware Vy A A. Model airplane field, SW cnr of Pk. Free,
cancelled for clouds. dvaa.org,

20:00 - Jenny Jump St Forest - NJ - Utd A Cs of NJ mtg - see Sep 3

20:00 - Ward Pound Ridge - NY - clearsky starviewing
Westchester Amat Astro. Free, cancelled for clouds.
www.westchesterastronomers.org


20:00 - Lake Sebago Rec Area - NY - clearsky starviewing
Rockland Astro Club. Free, cancelled for clouds.
www.rocklandastronomy.com, ,
201-768-3298

20:00 - Liberty - NY - clearsky starviewing - see Sep 3

20:30 - Paramus - NJ - Buehler-Columbia A A A mtg - see Sep 3

Sun - Sep 11
08:00 - Inwood Hill Pk - MH - WTC memorial
Urban Park Rangers. Inwood Hill Natr Ctr. ommemorate Ranger
Bruce Reynolds, victom of World Trade Center. Free.
www.nyc.gov/parks

11:00 - Ft Totten - QN - cultural tour - see Sep 4

13:00 - World's Fair - QN - cultural tour
Urban Park Rangers. Flushing Meadows Pk, Unisphere. Wlak
thru culture and history of Fair and park. Free.
www.nyc.gov/parks

13:00 - Ft Greene Pk - BK - cultural tour
Urban Park Rangers. Ft Greene Vstr Ctr. Walk thru culture
and history of park and surrounds. Free. www.nyc.gov/parks

13:15 - Uniondale - LI - Amat Obsrs Soc meeeting
Nassau Commty Coll, Bdg F, Room 123. Free. www.aosny.org,


19:00 - Allentown - PA - Lehigh Vy A A S meeting
LVAAS-HQ, South Mt. Free.
www.lvaas.org,

20:00 - whole City - MH - Tribute of Light
Dusk to dawn. Twin xenon beams, 12m sq, honr victims of
World Trade Ctr, shine verticly from roof of POA garage nr
Manh ramps of Battery Tnl. Beams pass thru hazee layers,
reach several tens Km high.

Mon - Sep 12
18:30 - Syosset - LI - science lecture
Berger Brothers Camera, Syosset store. 'Digital photogaphy

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19:00 - Carl Schurz Pk - MH - clearsky starviewing
RISK OF ABUSE AND HOSTILITY
Amat Astro Assn. Finley Walk nr 86th St. Free, cancelled for
clouds. www.aaa.org, , 212-807-9624

19:00 - Cranford - NJ - Amat Astro Inc meeting - see Oct 7

20:00 - Stamford - CT - clearsky starviewing - see Oct 7

20:00 - Toms River - NJ - clearsky starviewing
Astro Soc of Toms Rv Area. Ocean Co Coll, Novis Plm. Free,
cancelled for clods.
www.astra-nj.org, 732-255-0343,


Sat - 15 Oct
10:00 - Carl Schurz Pk - MH - clearsky sunviewing
RISK OF HOSTILITY AND ABUSE
Amat Astro Assn. Finley Walk nr 86th St. Free, cancelled
for clouds.
www.aaa.org, , 212-807-9624

11:00 - Ft Totten - QN - cultural tour - see Oct 1

11:00 - Central Park - MH - cultural tour - see Oct 1

18:00 - Danbury - CT - astronomy lecture - see Oct 6
NOTE EARLIER HOUR; 18:00, NOT 18:30

19:30 - Alley Pond Pk - QN - astronomy lecture
Alley Pond Enviro Ctr. Indoor talk, clearsky
starviewing. $12 fee.
www.allwypond.com, 718-229-4000

20:00 - Paramus - NJ - Buehler-Columbia A A A mtg - see Oct 1

20:00 - Southold - LI - Custer Inst meeting - see Oct 1

20:00 - Jenny Jump St Forest - NJ - Utd A Cs of NJ mtg - see Oct 1

Sun - 16 Oct
14:00 - Ft Totten - QN - cultural tour - see Oct 2

14:00 - Airmont - NY - Lower Hudson Vy Challenger Ctr show
225 Rt 29. 'Return to the Moon', 3-hr multimedia
siumlated space flight. $20 adm. www.lhvcc.com,
. 845-257-3416.

Mon - 17 Oct
19:30 - Hayden Plm - MH - Frontiers in Astrophysics
RISK OF ABUSE AND HOSTILITY
Live lecture on current astronomy topics. Clearsky
starviewing by Amat Astro Assn. $14 adm.
www.amnh.org,
212-769-5100

20:00 - Willowbroook - SI - clearsky starviewing
Coll of SI, Obsy. Free, cancelled for clouds.
718-982-2818, ,
supernova7.apsc.csi.cuny.edu

Tue - 18 Oct
18:00 - NY Acady of Sci - MH - science lecture
'North American Drought, 800AD-2004' on climate and water
resources in US. $20 adm.
www.nyas.org, 212-838-0230

18:30 - Hayden Plm - MH - This Just In
Live presentation on current astronomy news. $12 adm.
www.amnh.org, 212-769-5100

19:30 - New Paltz - NY - Mid Hudson Astro Assn mtg
SUNY New Paltz, Coykendall Audm. Free.
mhaa.whodeanie.com, 845-485-5669,

20:00 - Westport - CT - Westport Astro Soc meeting
Rolnick Obsy. Free.
www.was-ct.org, 203-227-0925,


Wed - 19 Oct
09:00 - CUNY Graduate Center - MH - science workshop
Continues on Wed 26 Oct.'Geographic information systems'.
$210 fee, adv regstn reqrd. web.gc.cuny.edu/cepp,
212-817-8215

09:00 - CUNY Graduate Center - MH - science workshop
'Is GIS right for you?'. $75 fee, adv regstn reqrd.
web.gc.cuny.edu/cepp, 212-817-8215

19:30 - New Britain - CT - Astro Soc of Gtr Hartford meeting
Centl CT St Un, Copernicus Plm. Free,
www.asgh.org,
860-872-9069,


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20:00 - Westport - CT - clearsky starviewing - see Oct 5

20:30 - York College - QN - astronomy lecture
Core Acadmc Bdg, Atrium. 'Celebrating Einstein Free.
natsci.york.cuny.edu/~yco, 718-262-2082,


20:30 - Old Westbury - LI - Astro Soc of LI meeting - see Oct 5

Thu - 20 Oct
09:00 - Stony Brook - LI - science conference
Thru Fri 21 Oct. SUNY Stony Brook. ''Geometry and the
universe' on general relativity, discussions, talks. $25 +
extras. insti.physics.sunysb.edu/itp/conf/GR2005,


17:30 - Sci Ind Biz Liby - MH - cultural lecture
'New York City river bridges ...'. Free.
www.nypl.org/research/sibl, 212-592-7000

18:00 - Danbury - CT - astronomy lecture - see Oct 6
NOTE EARLIER HOUR; 18:00, NOT 18:30

19:00 - St Paul's Luthrn Ch - MH - NYSkies Astro Semnr - see Oct 6

19:00 - Waterbury - CT - Mattituck Astro Soc meeting
Naugatuck Vy Commty Coll, Ekstrom Hall. Free.
mastransit.org,

20:00 - Westport - CT - clearsky starviewing - see Oct 5

20:00 - Upr Montclair - NJ - clearsky starviewing - see Oct 6

Fri - 21 Oct
18:00 - Cummington - MA - Arunah Hill Star Watch
Thru Sun 23 Oct. Arunah Hill Natl Sci Ctr. Talks, demos,
darkskies, food svc, tourism. Free + extras.
www.atunah.org,
413-374-1627,

19:30 - Plymouth Mtg - PA - Delaware Vy A A meeting
Gtr Plymouth Cmmty Ctr. Free. dvaa.org,


19:00 - Washington Xing S P - NJ - clearsky starvwg - see Oct 7

20:00 - Cranford - NJ - Amat Astro Inc lecture
Union Co Coll, Smith Audm. Indoor talk, clearsky
starviewing. Free.
www.asterism.org,

20:00 - Stamford - CT - clearsky starviewing - see Oct 7

20:00 - Columbia University - MH - clearsky starviewing
Pupin Hall, 14th Floor and rooftop. Free, cancelled for
clouds.
www.astro.columbia.edu/observe, 212-854-3278,


20:00 - Stratford - CT - Boothe Meml Astro Soc mtg - see Oct 7

20:30 - Boonton - NJ - clearsky starviewing
Sheep Hill Astro Assn obsy, Free, cancelled for
clouds.
www.uacnj.org/clubs/shaa.htm,

Sat - 22 Oct
09:00 - NY Public Library - MH - science conference
Thru Sun 23 Oct. Main Branch, 42nd St & 5th Av. 'Eindstein,
the man and his legacy', discussions, lectures. $95 fee.
www.nyscience.org/einstein,

11:00 - Ft Totten - QN - cultural tour - see Oct 1

12:00 - Wycoff farmhouse - NK - cultural tour
Clarendon Rd & Ralph Av. Walk thru history and culture of
Afro-Caribbean nabes. Free. www.nyc.gov/parks, 718-629-5400

18:00 - Danbury - CT - astronomy lecture - see Oct 6
NOTE EARLIER HOUR; 18:00, NOT 18:30

20:00 - Southold - LI - Custer Inst meeting - see Oct 1

20:00 - Allentown - PA - clearsky starviewing
Lehigh Vy A A S, South Mt. Free, cancelled for clouds.
www.lvaas.org,

20:00 - Paramus - NJ - Buehler-Columbia A A A mtg - see Oct 1

20:00 - Jenny Jump St Forest - NJ - Utd A Cs of NJ mtg - see Oct 1

20:30 - Voorhees St Pk - NJ - NJ Astro Assn meeting
Robinson Obsy. Free.
www.njaa.org, 908-368-8600


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Sun - 23 Oct
14:00 - Ft Totten - QN - cultural tour - see Oct 2

Mon - 24 Oct
18:00 - CUNY Graduate Center - MH - science lecture
'Albert Einstein and religion'. Free. web.gc.cuny.edu/cepp,
212-817-8215

18:30 - Amityville - LI - science lecture
Berger Brothers Camera, Amitybille store. 'Digital
photogaphy 101'. $50 fee. www,berger-bros.com, 631-264-4160

19:30 - Hayden Plm - MH - Distinguished Authors
RISK OF ABUSE AND HOSTILITY
Live lecture by author of current astronomy books. Clearsky
starviewing by Amat Astro Assn. $14 adm. www.amnh.org,
212-769-5100

20:00 - Willowbroook - SI - clearsky starviewing - see Oct 17

Tue - 25 Oct
17:30 - Sci Ind Biz Liby - MH - astronomy lecture
'Warped passages, unraveling the mysteries of the univer's
hidden dimensions'. Free. www.nypl.org/research/sibl,
212-592-7000

18:30 - Hayden Plm - MH - Celestial Highlights
Live skyshow of current evening sky. $12 adm.
212-769-5100, www.amnh.org

20:00 - Greenwich - CT - clearsky starviewing - see Oct 11

Wed - 26 Oct
09:00 - CUNY Graduate Center - MH - science workshop
'GIS basics, data, maps, analysis'. $150 fee, adv regstn
reqrd. web.gc.cuny.edu/cepp, 212-817-8215

19:30 - Holbrook - LI - Science Club of LI meeting
Sachem Liby. 'Mass extinctions'. Free.
www.sciencecluboflongisland.com, 631-421-1523,


20:00 - Westport - CT - clearsky starviewing - see Oct 5

20:30 - Old Westbury - LI - Astro Soc of LI meeting - see Oct 5

21:00 - Poughkeepsie - NY - clearsky starviewing - see Oct 5

Thu - 27 Oct
18:00 - Danbury - CT - astronomy lecture - see Oct 6
NOTE EARLIER HOUR; 18:00, NOT 18:30

19:00 - John Byrne Pk - BK - cultural lecture
Old Stone House Soc. 5th Av & 3rd St. 'Brooklyn Dodgers'
fabled baseball team. $10 adm.
www.nyc.gov/parks,
718-768-3195

20:00 - Westport - CT - clearsky starviewing - see Oct 5

20:00 - Piscataway - NJ - clearsky starviewing - see Oct 13

20:00 - Upr Montclair - NJ - clearsky starviewing - see Oct 6

Fri - 28 Oct
09:00 - Bronx Commty Coll - BX - science conference
Gould Meml Liby. 'Road to energy independence' on alternate
fuel vehicles. Free, adv regstn reqrd. ,
www.csebcc.org, 718-289-5332

19:00 - Cranford - NJ - Amat Astro Inc meeting - see Oct 7

19:30 - Stony Brook - LI - astronomy lecture
SUNY Stony Brook, ESS Hall, Room 001. Indoor talk, clearsky
starviewing. Free. www.ess.sunysb.edu/astro, 631-632-8100,


20:00 - Stamford - CT - clearsky starviewing - see Oct 7

20:00 - Livingston - NJ - clearsky starviewing
Newark Mus & No Jersey Astro Gp. Riker Hill Park. Free,
cancelled for clouds. njagweb.tripod.com, 973-655-7266,


20:00 - R Moses St Pk - LI - clearsky starviewing - see Oct 7

Sat - 29 Oct
XX:XX - New York Univ - MH - Mars Soc of NY meeting
HOUR AND LOCATION NOT SET YET; INQUIRE AT CONTACTS
Free. chapters.marssociety.org/usa/ny,


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11:00 - Ft Totten - QN - cultural tour - see Oct 1

15:30 - New York University - MH - Natl Space Soc meeting
32 Waverly Pl. Ask at service desk for room. Bring photo ID
for campus security. Free. www.nsschapters.org/ny/nyc,
.

18:00 - Danbury - CT - astronomy lecture - see Oct 6
NOTE EARLIER HOUR; 18:00, NOT 18:30

19:00 - Ward Pound Ridge - NY - clearsky starviewing - see Oct 8

19:00 - Southold - LI - clearsky starviewing - see Oct 8

19:30 - Great Kills Pk - SI - clearsky starviewing
Enter from Hylan Bv to model airplane flying field. Free,
cancelled for clouds.
, www.aaa.org,
718-494-1370

20:00 - Bear Mt St Pk - NY - clearsky starviewing - see Oct 1

20:00 - Southold - LI - Custer Inst meeting - see Oct 1

20:00 - R Moses St Pk - LI - clearsky starviewing - see Oct 7

20:00 - Paramus - NJ - Buehler-Columbia A A A mtg - see Oct 1

20:00 - Jenny Jump St Forest - NJ - Utd A Cs of NJ mtg - see Oct 1

20:30 - Voorhees St Pk - NJ - NJ Astro Assn meeting - see Oct 22

Sun - 30 Oct
02:00 - whole City - MH - return to Eastern Standard Time
Set clocks BACK, BEHIND, one hour. Note that the hour
01:00-02:00 repeats, once in EDST and again in EST.

14:00 - Ft Totten - QN - cultural tour - see Oct 2

Mon - 31 Oct
18:00 - CUNY Graduate Center - MH - science lecture
'Voodoo science in the age of intelligent design'. Free.
web.gc.cuny.edu/cepp, 212-817-8215

20:00 - Willowbroook - SI - clearsky starviewing - see Oct 17

General News
----------
This month is surely the BIGGEST NYC Events in history! The
increase comes mainly from the cultural events of Open House new York
on October 8th and 9th. This is a Roman circus of tours and visits at
over a hundred well-known -- and many lesser-known -- points of
interest thruout the City. I was going to list a few selected places,
but ALL are so fascinating and exciting, I listed all of them.
An other cause for the enlarged NYC Events is the resumption of
walking tours by the NYC Urban Park Rangers. With the heat and
humidity of summer gone, it's feasible to be outdoors exploring
various parts of the City.
I include very special citywide events. In past months there was
the notice about the Swinging Bridge flood alert, searching of bags at
transit stations. Now comes the chaotic closings of certain IRT
stations in Lower Manhattan. This derives from the reconstruction of
the South Ferry station. In brief, this is a loop track that is too
short and constricted for today's traffic and train length. The new
station is a stub terminal with straight and longer tracks.
The transition from summer to winter schedules completes in
October. Lectures in recess are starting up; observing sessions wind
down for the frostbite weather.

Event news
--------
The high point of September with the premiere of the new IMAX
movie 'Magnificent desolation' on September 23rd. Plans for the
opening were finalized in early September. Not a worry. NYSkiers
learned of it thru the NYSkies forum, the place for late news,
reminders, details, updates, Several NYSkiers joined the NYC chapter
of National Space Society at the Sony IMAX in Lincoln Square to watch
Apollo astronauts explore the Moon. I posted a commentary on the film
in NYSkies.
NYSkiers got their all-in-one briefing about the proximity and
opposition of Mars at the NYSkies Astronomy Seminar. This was a repeat
of the talk I gave on August 4th, which suffered a low attendance from
the obscene summer air. Leftover handouts were given out at the Mars
Society of New York;s meeting on September 28. This is an other extra
event announced in NYSkies.
The Hayden Planetarium celebrates its 70th birthday on Sunday the
2nd! There will be a slide show on the old and new facilities, stories
and anecdotes, and a birthday cake for all to feast on. It's free with
the regular Museum admission.

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The Open House New York tours are so numerous I could only list
the places and hours. Note that you can visit only a couple on each
day due to overlapping hours and geographic dispersion. Pick those
grouped together or along a transit line. Some tours run on only one
of the two days. Details and contacts for each place are at
www.ohny.org. It helps to have street and transit maps in hand.
American Association of Variable Star Observers resumes, on
October 13-15, its traditional and fabled autumn conference in
Massachusetts. It dropped these after the meeting in 2002 to keep just
a spring session elsewhere in the world. I give a talk on 'Station at
the center of the universe', Grand Central Terminal's astronomy
features. There's more to this place than the Sky Ceiling. Lots more.
The AAVSO meeting is in Newton, near Boston, a lazy train ride there
and back for a low-cost high-content astronomy conference.
Amateur Astronomer Association Inc sticks to its despotic ways,
elaborated in the companion article 'AAA news'. Thus, certain of its
activities carry the risk of harassment and bullying, as marked in
the index and annotated in the listings.

Sky News
------
Weather generally was cleear enough for routine stargazing in
September, with a few extra clear nights. In fact, on Thursday the
29th the City scored its first Milky Way sighting of the fall season!
Reports describe the brightest reach in mid Cygnus and a thick
peppering of tiny stars elsewhere along the Milky Way path. Friday the
30th seemed as dark as, or a bit darker than, the 29th but so far
there are no Milky Way sightings reported.
Mars is in easy view in October. He is THE good and bright
orange star in Aries. With bright stars around him, you can more
comfortably trace his retrograde loop. He entered the loop on the 1st
and rounds proximity on the 29th.
Be careful! Proximity is NOT opposition!! The two events are
geometricly quite different. Opposition comes on November 7th. Check
out the timetable for Mars under September 1st.

NYSkies
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Astronomers are exploiting NYSkies as a quick, handy, friendly,
and potent source of astronomy news relating to the City. And there is
LOTS of astronomy stuff going on around New York! Since it revived on
28 September 2001 (it was interrupted by World Trade Center) NYSkies
became the definitive forum and public record for matters bearing on
home astronomy in and around New York.
Joining NYSkies is easy. Send an empty email to this Yahoogroup
maillist at '. Its posts are sent to
you in your email and you post to it by email. It's that simple!
Or you may go to 'groups.yahoo.com/group/nysky'. If you are
already signed up with Yahoo, you go and sign in and then 'join'
NYSkies. If not, you have to go thru a silly 'registration' that's a
one shot chore, valid for all groups you may eventually join. The
files area of NYSkies are accessible only thru the website.


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AAA NEWS FOR OCTOBER 2005
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John Pazmino
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A relatively quiet month at Amateur Astronomers Association Inc.
The main activity is the dialog between Tom Clabough and Richard
Rosenberg & Dan Harrison in the NYSkies Yahoogroup forum.

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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:05:23 -0000
From: "tom_c_nyc"
Subject: eviction revoked?

richard_rosenberg@i... wrote: This is the case because you are
publicly hostile to the AAA. You violated that agreement and must pay
the consequences.

Rich, the AAA has several members of its Board of Directors who are
publicly hostile to individuals. Why is this acceptable? Aren't there
any agreements within the AAA leadership that its Board members not be
so gd nasty to people? Or that THEY pay the consequences when they
violate any such agreements? If you seriously want the healing process
to begin, you must address the personality problems within your own
organization too. These will not go away by ignoring them, as we
recently saw.

Tom C.

--- In
, "Richard Rosenberg"
richard_rosenberg@i... wrote:

Hi John,

Since you're going to put my response to you on NYSkies, I thought I'd
put it there directly, saving you the trouble.

I have continued to read the communications on this list, and have
occasionally contributed myself. If you have a problem with this, I
will reluctantly remove myself from the list.

I'm afraid you continue to be unwelcome at the Observers Group and
other AAA activities. This is the case because you are publicly
hostile to the AAA. It is inconsistent and in my view unethical to
simultaneously damage an organization and take advantage of its
offerings.

After your expulsion from the club, I did allow you to remain at a
meeting you broke into. This was on the condition that you not use
your attendance at the meeting to cause damage to the club. You
violated that agreement and must pay the consequences.

John, there's nothing I would like better if you could rejoin and
contribute to a better AAA. No one denies your knowledge of astronomy
and your generosity in sharing that knowledge. But as long as you
continue this vendetta (and I understand you're not the only one) I
think you and the AAA must go separate ways until you have a change of
heart.

Rich
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From: John Pazmino [mailto:john.pazmino@f...]
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 6:00 PM
To: Richard_rosenberg@i...
Subject: eviction revoked?

Hi, Richy. I'm pleased to notice your letter in NYSkies, copied
below. However, I didn't yet get a revocation of your 'eviction'
threat from March 2005. Recall that at that time you based your action
on a difference of opinion?
If I missed the withdrawal, please send it to me again. I will want
to acknowledge it in NYSkies.
Otherwise, I have no problem with showing both your present and
March letter in comparison.

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Clabough questions Richy about the conduct expected of AAA Board
members. This is in reaction to Rosenberg's pretention that John
Pazmino somehow agreed to forgo his right of criticism to attend
Richy's Observing Group meetings.
Rosenberg in the original letter from late August, quoted by
Clabough, spills out in the very first sentence, 'Since you're going
to put my response to you on NYSkies, I thought I'd put it there [in
NYSkies] directly, saving you the trouble.'
Well! Richard can express his views openly, freely, safely in
NYSkies but he reprises against those who do so in AAA. Thank you, my
richard, for demonstrating the despotic mindset of AAA Inc!

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Continued from previous message.

Yes, I hardly agree with Rosenberg's opinions, but I will not
'punish' him for them. Richy, you're welcome to stay here in NYSkies.

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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:22:20 -0400
From:
Subject: eviction revoked?

Tom:

For God's sake, man, get a life. Go out on a date. Treat yourself to a
nice dinner. See a movie, play or exhibit. Do something other than
pretend people at the AAA are as inherently hostile as you and your
associates, one of whom has made crude sexual references in online
posts to or about women.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: tom_c_nyc
To:

Sent: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:05:23 -0000
Subject: [nyskies] eviction revoked?

richard_rosenberg@i... wrote: This is the case because you are
publicly hostile to the AAA. You violated that agreement and must pay
the consequences.

Rich, the AAA has several members of its Board of Directors who are
publicly hostile to individuals. Why is this acceptable? Aren't there

[rest of quoted message omitted]

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The reaction from Harrison, an AAA Board seatholder, examplifies
the abusive treatment allowed within the Board by insulting Clabough
for raising the question. This is the standard of conduct which AAA
Board members must observe?

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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:17:47 -0400
From: "Richard Rosenberg"
Subject: eviction revoked?

Tom,

I can only control my own behavior. I certainly do not endorse
everything that has been said by AAA members on this group. I wish
all of those who have made personal attacks would realize how foolish
THEY look, instead of their target. And yes, the AAA is negatively
affected when this happens, and it should be brought up at a board
meeting.

Rich
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From:
] On Behalf
Of tom_c_nyc
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 12:05 PM
To:

Subject: [nyskies] eviction revoked?

richard_rosenberg@i... wrote: This is the case because you are
publicly hostile to the AAA. You violated that agreement and must pay
the consequences.

Rich, the AAA has several members of its Board of Directors who are
publicly hostile to individuals. Why is this acceptable? Aren't there

[rest of quoted message omitted]

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Rosenberg's rely, letter 30 August 2005, message #3, is a
bombshell. He asserts that there are seatmates whose actions in
NYSkies damage the club and these actions should be brought up at a
Board meeting.
How?
Is Richy circulating the damaging material to his allies on the
Board? Is he drumming up support for a special Board meeting (there
was a regular meeting in mid August)? Is he agitating to make the
Board accountable to the rank-&-file members? Does he declare these
seatmates in breach of 'agreement, and ban them from his Observing
Group meetings?
One reader pointed out a much more frightful aspect of this
Rosenberg letter. Will Rosenberg defend or protect the targets of

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Old October 6th 05, 06:20 AM
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Continued from previous message.

harassment and bullying inflicted by his own seatmates? He does not
intervene for Clabough in the face of Harrison's abuse.
Just how credible is Richy to begin and carry on the healing
process? Revive by-law reforms? Open up elections for club officers
and Board seats? Apply effective substantial discipline against
offending club leaders?
By the beginning of October, a full month a some days after
Richard's revelation, there is nothing on the radar.


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