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....Burt Rutan RIPS the "Vision" in recent speech... 05-06-07
Burt is a great designer, (But He has become more of a shoot from the
lip Guy, of late). He reminds Me alot of Chuck Yeager. He has loads of Moxie, (But His ideas are now more progressive than Apollo II/CEV). The idea is to get back to having a real spaceport, (The path of least resistance is what We need to seek). Carl |
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....Burt Rutan RIPS the "Vision" in recent speech... 05-06-07
Watch the video, its great fun. Rutan is a fun speaker. While one
might not agree with everything he says, he has lots of interesting points and he expresses them well. If that's the speech he gave at the ISDC in LA last year, I was in attendance. Doesnt look like it, its got much more recent date on it. But i wasnt in attendance, i wouldnt know. i enjoyed listening for these 20 minutes anyway. -kert |
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....Burt Rutan RIPS the "Vision" in recent speech... 05-06-07
On 24 May 2007 14:08:11 -0700, in a place far, far away, kert
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Watch the video, its great fun. Rutan is a fun speaker. While one might not agree with everything he says, he has lots of interesting points and he expresses them well. If that's the speech he gave at the ISDC in LA last year, I was in attendance. Doesnt look like it, its got much more recent date on it. If so, it's nothing new, and was recycled. |
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....Burt Rutan RIPS the "Vision" in recent speech... 05-06-07
"kert" wrote in message ups.com... It was a criticism of ESAS, which I share. About ESAS, he's called it stupid, of making no sense likened it to archeology. http://www.space.com/adastra/adastra...an_060504.html I agree with that. But that's ESAS, not VSE. Watch the video, its great fun. Rutan is a fun speaker. While one might not agree with everything he says, he has lots of interesting points and he expresses them well. His critiquie isnt aimed at VSE, he never mentions this specifically, The only time he referred to the Vision he called it the Bush 'Doctrine', dripping with contempt, calling it 50 years spent deliberately learning nothing new. He then cut himself off while indignantly mentioning that he was told not to discuss politics. Something was then edited out that got a loud laugh. No doubt he crossed some line while criticizing the Vision further. basically his views pretty much align with goals of VSE. Only in the sense he believes in colonizing. He critizices lack of progress in space technology, which is tied to ESAS. He was pretty clear that the business community was the path to building and breakthroughs in space. The Vision is the exact anti-thesis of that belief. Sure, both believe we should be in space, but aside from that I don't see any agreement at all. -kert |
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....Burt Rutan RIPS the "Vision" in recent speech... 05-06-07
In sci.space.history surfduke wrote:
(But His ideas are now more progressive than Apollo II/CEV). Not wanting to imply that any one thing is progressive or any other is not I will still ask, can one really make comparisons of "progressiveness" when one work has been sub-orbital and the other is targetting orbital? The requirements of the two are rather different. rick jones -- Wisdom Teeth are impacted, people are affected by the effects of events. these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH... |
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....Burt Rutan RIPS the "Vision" in recent speech... 05-06-07
"Rick Jones" wrote in message ... In sci.space.history surfduke wrote: (But His ideas are now more progressive than Apollo II/CEV). Not wanting to imply that any one thing is progressive or any other is not I will still ask, can one really make comparisons of "progressiveness" when one work has been sub-orbital and the other is targetting orbital? The requirements of the two are rather different. And the future effects of the two are also quite different. The sub-orbital start ups are trying to find a market in space travel. And Rutan is clear in claiming that only through commericial projects will space become well-traveled. NASA chose a project that gives all the big funds to a few large contractors, and nothing to spur any market activity. Building the space infrastructure needed to truly exploit and colonize space will only come from the private sector, from the ground up. Another massive safari to the moon leaves us nothing lasting, nothing is jump-started as in the US air-mail jump-starting commercial aviation. We are doing the exact opposite of what we should be doing to build a future in space. And we're doing it backwards just to line Lockheed's pocket. rick jones -- Wisdom Teeth are impacted, people are affected by the effects of events. these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH... |
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....Burt Rutan RIPS the "Vision" in recent speech... 05-06-07
On Thu, 24 May 2007 18:51:29 -0400, in a place far, far away,
"Jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Watch the video, its great fun. Rutan is a fun speaker. While one might not agree with everything he says, he has lots of interesting points and he expresses them well. His critiquie isnt aimed at VSE, he never mentions this specifically, The only time he referred to the Vision he called it the Bush 'Doctrine', dripping with contempt, calling it 50 years spent deliberately learning nothing new. OK, so he's politically naive. Why should we be surprised? He's an aircraft designer, not a policy analyst. (FWIW, you are obviously neither.) |
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....Burt Rutan RIPS the "Vision" in recent speech... 05-06-07
"Rand Simberg" wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 May 2007 18:51:29 -0400, in a place far, far away, "Jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Watch the video, its great fun. Rutan is a fun speaker. While one might not agree with everything he says, he has lots of interesting points and he expresses them well. His critiquie isnt aimed at VSE, he never mentions this specifically, The only time he referred to the Vision he called it the Bush 'Doctrine', dripping with contempt, calling it 50 years spent deliberately learning nothing new. OK, so he's politically naive. Naive describes those like yourself that believe the Vision will outlast this administration. Why should we be surprised? He's an aircraft designer, That's like calling Lindbergh a pilot. True but grossly incomplete. And deliberately so on your part, belittle him and you can dismiss his views. not a policy analyst. (FWIW, you are obviously neither.) Ok, so you require certain titles and degrees behind opinions before you'll respect them. If your heroes, such as Rutan and Hanks turning their backs on the Vision aren't enough. What about a NASA researcher like Dr. Geoffrey A. Landis? Rather well known in both technical and sci-fi circles. http://mit.edu/aeroastro/www/people/landis/landis.html Well it appears he spent last week with those kooks over in Cambridge talking about Space Solar Power. http://web.mit.edu/space_solar_power/Participants.html I know, he's just another rube teacher right? This policy you dismiss is making a comeback. BIt by bit, it's gaining steam, I can smell it. And there's still a year and a half to the next election. s |
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....Burt Rutan RIPS the "Vision" in recent speech... 05-06-07
On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:41:28 -0400, in a place far, far away,
"Jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: "Rand Simberg" wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 May 2007 18:51:29 -0400, in a place far, far away, "Jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Watch the video, its great fun. Rutan is a fun speaker. While one might not agree with everything he says, he has lots of interesting points and he expresses them well. His critiquie isnt aimed at VSE, he never mentions this specifically, The only time he referred to the Vision he called it the Bush 'Doctrine', dripping with contempt, calling it 50 years spent deliberately learning nothing new. OK, so he's politically naive. Naive describes those like yourself that believe the Vision will outlast this administration. Why do you think that I believe that? Are you a moron, too? Learn to read. |
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....Burt Rutan RIPS the "Vision" in recent speech... 05-06-07
In article ,
"Jonathan" wrote: Another massive safari to the moon leaves us nothing lasting, nothing is jump-started as in the US air-mail jump-starting commercial aviation. That may or may not be true. Griffin has repeatedly expressed willingness for commercial space services, including station resupply, and the same may apply to lunar activities by the time we get there. Things are different now from when the first Apollo program launched -- back then, only major governments could get even close to space. Now there are a lot of commercial players who are not far behind (or even ahead of, in some ways) NASA. This may well result in a different outcome. Best, - Joe |
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