RIP, Stephen Hawking

Gerald Kelleher wrote:

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 3:13:23 PM UTC, palsing wrote:
Gerald, must you hijack virtually every thread with your insane drivel?
Your time would be much better spent reading an astronomy textbook to
finally learn about what you *think* you already know, but don't.

If you have nothing to contribute concerning the life of Dr. Hawking in
this thread, don't say a darn thing...

Maybe you can write a book entitled ' A brief history of timekeeping'
which is the background to all empirical notions since Newton.

"entitled" - yeah right...

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On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 01:49:50 UTC-4, palsing wrote:
A brilliant life has finally come to an end at age 76. We are very lucky to have had him for so long.

\Paul A

It must have been Hell sometimes, but i'm glad he was able to live a long life, even with the infirmity.

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 11:49:21 PM UTC, Anders Eklöf wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 3:13:23 PM UTC, palsing wrote:
Gerald, must you hijack virtually every thread with your insane drivel?
Your time would be much better spent reading an astronomy textbook to
finally learn about what you *think* you already know, but don't.

If you have nothing to contribute concerning the life of Dr. Hawking in
this thread, don't say a darn thing...

Maybe you can write a book entitled ' A brief history of timekeeping'
which is the background to all empirical notions since Newton.

"entitled" - yeah right...

--


English is your second language so that is to be expected -

http://grammarist.com/usage/entitled-titled/

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 9:54:47 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 3:13:23 PM UTC, palsing wrote:
Gerald, must you hijack virtually every thread


I keep to my own topics by and large and it has been that way for quite some time.

Physics at an engineering level is fine but astrophysics, cosmology or
whatever buzz word attached to it nowadays always was contrived.

Timekeeping is easy enough despite the multiple reference systems used
through history but unfortunately Sir Isaac adopted the RA/Dec celestial
sphere system which tries to undermine timekeeping and the Lat/Long
system as it refers to the Earth's daily and orbital motions.

Sir Isaac was trying to bridge the gap by doing a hatchet job on the
Equation of Time by trying to define that timekeeping facility as time itself -

"Absolute time, in astronomy, is distinguished from relative, by the
equation of time. For the natural days are truly unequal, though they are
commonly considered as equal and used for a measure of time; astronomers
correct this inequality for their more accurate deducing of the celestial
motions...The necessity of which equation, for determining the times of a
phænomenon, is evinced as well from the experiments of the pendulum
clock, as by eclipses of the satellites of Jupiter." Principia

I give you more than a brief history of timekeeping, I presented this
forum with a comprehensive perspective of 5 reference systems all the way
back to the creation of the calendar framework and the astronomical event
that determines it.

Unlike the originator of relativity as another outrigger of Newton's
absolute/relative 'definitions' who became acclaimed, the astrophysical
narrative is so burdened with voodoo and bluffing presently that Hawking
is only recognized for the headache inducing pronouncements about God.




Don’t forget his ground breaking collaboration with one of your heroes
Roger Penrose of Penrose tiling fame. Penrose seemed to have a much better
opinion of Stephen Hawking on TV today.

Heroes indeed !, anyone who promotes that physical existence fits inside the larger inspirational existence is a hero. The theorists have manufactured this idea of God outside individual or Universal existence however in the journey through life we pick up what is inspirational in creation and people are therefore spiritual on that account.

Those who can be inspired and inspiring generally try to imitate the productivity and creativity in creation rather than guess about creation hence the wonderful saying of Galileo -

“You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself.� ― Galileo Galilei

As for the tiling patterns and their non-periodic construction, the significance of 432 degrees and geometric structure in all things large and small is as delightful today as it was almost 30 years ago. I borrowed an American phrase as it refers to physical existence -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Quasicrystal

I remember you tried to talk down the Phi proportion but that is impossible no more than a person can talk down beautiful music as it is all in the eyes and ears of the beholder.

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 2:31:54 PM UTC-6, Gerald Kelleher wrote:

Sir Isaac was trying to bridge the gap by doing a hatchet job on the Equation of
Time by trying to define that timekeeping facility as time itself -

It bloody well is "time itself"! Time is what governs the rate at which things
happen. Like how long it takes for a cube of sugar to dissolve in a cup of
coffee.

That isn't going to take more time or less time at different seasons of the year
because the sundial correction is growing or shrinking!

Defining "time" the way you want, like defining "rotation" for the Earth and
Moon the way you want, turns figuring stuff out using mathematical equations
into a ridiculously complicated mess. Which, of course, would suit you just
fine, since you think that mathematics is just voodoo mumbo-jumbo.

However, the rest of the world has to use a sane definition of time in order to,
for example, describe the behavior of resistor-capacitor (RC) circuits, which
one has to do in order to design electronic devices like the microprocessor in
the computer you're posting from.

Time travel by means of re-defining time: a new concept, but your definition of
time would send us back to the horse-and-buggy age.

John Savard

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 9:13:23 AM UTC-6, palsing wrote:
Gerald, must you hijack virtually every thread with your insane drivel? Your
time would be much better spent reading an astronomy textbook to finally learn
about what you *think* you already know, but don't.

If you have nothing to contribute concerning the life of Dr. Hawking in this
thread, don't say a darn thing...

Well, remember that both Sir Isaac Newton and Stephen Hawking held the
appointment of the Lucasian Professor of Mathematics, so clearly Stephen Hawking
was a member of the great Newtonian conspiracy.

Of course, so is virtually every other practitioner of science and engineering,
but this might be grounds for finding Stephen Hawking to have been at the center
of the conspiracy of empirical reductionism!

John Savard

On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 07:43:49 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
wrote:

However, the rest of the world has to use a sane definition of time in order to,
for example, describe the behavior of resistor-capacitor (RC) circuits, which
one has to do in order to design electronic devices like the microprocessor in
the computer you're posting from.

Wait, John. You're saying that you don't include the Equation of Time
in your calculation when you're working out the resonant frequency of
an oscillator? My gosh, you're making things way to easy on yourself!

On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 9:49:54 AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 07:43:49 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
wrote:

However, the rest of the world has to use a sane definition of time in order to,
for example, describe the behavior of resistor-capacitor (RC) circuits, which
one has to do in order to design electronic devices like the microprocessor in
the computer you're posting from.

Wait, John. You're saying that you don't include the Equation of Time
in your calculation when you're working out the resonant frequency of
an oscillator? My gosh, you're making things way to easy on yourself!

I know; not only do I have no intuitive facility whatsoever, but I'm also plain
lazy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uSNKn2iWAg

John Savard

On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 3:49:54 PM UTC, Chris L Peterson wrote:


Wait, John. You're saying that you don't include the Equation of Time
in your calculation when you're working out the resonant frequency of
an oscillator? My gosh, you're making things way to easy on yourself!

It is neither an equation nor time and could just as well be called the Equalization of Timekeeping as all it does is equalize the variations in the total length of time from one noon cycle to the next to a 24 hour average. If a person created an experiment using a sand clock, the quantity for each individual cycle would be different so, if say you took 50 varying amounts and divided them equally it would give an amount equivalent to 24 hours if run through the same sand clock.

Where Sir Isaac went astray with a nondescript version of the EoT as absolute/relative time is that he followed Huygen's description too closely -

"Here take notice, that the Sun or the Earth passeth the 12. Signes,
or makes an entire revolution in the Ecliptick in 365 days, 5 hours 49
min. or there about, and that those days, reckon'd from noon to noon,
are of different lenghts; as is known to all that are vers'd in
Astronomy. Now between the longest and the shortest of those days, a
day may be taken of such a length, as 365 such days, 5. hours &c. (the
same numbers as before) make up, or are equall to that revolution: And
this is call'd the Equal or Mean day, according to which the Watches
are to be set; and therefore the Hour or Minute shew'd by the Watches,
though they be perfectly Iust and equal, must needs differ almost
continually from those that are shew'd by the Sun, or are reckon'd
according to its Motion. But this Difference is regular, and is
otherwise call'd the Aequation.." Huygens


What did I tell you all before about the Equation of Time fitting inside the calendar system !. You can't say the Earth around the Sun is the same as the Sun around the Earth based on Huygen's flawed notion but that didn't stop Isaac and his merry band of followers who still haven't a clue what he tried to do -

"That the fixed stars being at rest, the periodic times of the five primary planets, and (whether of the sun about the earth, or) of the earth about the sun, are in the sesquiplicate proportion of their mean distances from the sun...This proportion, first observed by Kepler, is now received by all astronomers; for the periodic times are the same, and the dimensions of the orbits are the same, whether the sun revolves about the earth, or the earth about the sun." Newton

The actual story of what Newton tried to do should be center stage but I shrug now and would say it doesn't really matter anymore and never really did other than it obscures genuine astronomy and even genuine speculative notions about motions and structure of the solar system and its motion within the galaxy.

On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 10:46:40 AM UTC-6, Gerald Kelleher wrote:

What did I tell you all before about the Equation of Time fitting inside the
calendar system !. You can't say the Earth around the Sun is the same as the
Sun around the Earth based on Huygen's flawed notion but that didn't stop
Isaac and his merry band of followers who still haven't a clue what he tried
to do -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbyYr6L5xQM

The actual story of what Newton tried to do should be center stage but I shrug
now and would say it doesn't really matter anymore and never really did other
than it obscures genuine astronomy and even genuine speculative notions about
motions and structure of the solar system and its motion within the galaxy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMbWXSg8E-c

John Savard