Ronald Reagan mostly responsible for the space shuttle challenger tragedy. Gotta beat those Ruskies

Let history show that it was Reagan who said that the show must go on,
that the challenger (aka Skytrain #1) had to go up come hell or high
water so the Ruskies would not leapfrog the Amerikkkans in the space
competition.

Their blood (well, dust, actually) was on his hands. Another thing to
remember the great communicator for - another negative legacy to
remember him by. A tribute to Reagan's true motivations and
character.

Posted to all these groups because all of you have been discussing one
and/or the other of them and I just thought I would reiterate it for
youse.

And this I do pray in my God's name,
(Your) diddy

"You Gonna Get A Spankin'" wrote in message
m...
Let history show that it was Reagan who said that the show must go on,
that the challenger (aka Skytrain #1) had to go up come hell or high
water

LaToya? Is that you? You and "scott" and Stuffie look alike these days.

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:01:53 -0400, "Scott Hedrick"
wrote:


"You Gonna Get A Spankin'" wrote in message
om...
Let history show that it was Reagan who said that the show must go on,
that the challenger (aka Skytrain #1) had to go up come hell or high
water

LaToya? Is that you? You and "scott" and Stuffie look alike these days.

....And they all sound like Paul Maxson in drag, too.

OM

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his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

- General George S. Patton, Jr

On 16 Jun 2004 13:51:01 -0700, (You Gonna
Get A Spankin') wrote:

Posted to all these groups because all of you have been discussing one
and/or the other of them and I just thought I would reiterate it for
youse.
^^^^^^

....Not just a yankee, but a Damnyankee. Get a rope.

OM

--

"No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m
his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

- General George S. Patton, Jr

On 16 Jun 2004 13:51:01 -0700, (You Gonna
Get A Spankin') wrote:

Let history show that it was Reagan who said that the show must go on,
that the challenger (aka Skytrain #1) had to go up come hell or high
water so the Ruskies would not leapfrog the Amerikkkans in the space
competition.


Ah, summer! The long, warm days. Children playing in the park,
Baseball on the tube...

....and the crackpots start posting to sci.space again!

Brian

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:05:02 -0500, Brian Thorn
wrote:

On 16 Jun 2004 13:51:01 -0700, (You Gonna
Get A Spankin') wrote:

Let history show that it was Reagan who said that the show must go on,
that the challenger (aka Skytrain #1) had to go up come hell or high
water so the Ruskies would not leapfrog the Amerikkkans in the space
competition.


Ah, summer! The long, warm days. Children playing in the park,
Baseball on the tube...

...and the crackpots start posting to sci.space again!

....Where the **** have you been? LaDeranged has been spewing her
smegma-laced lies for almost three weeks now.

OM

--

"No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m
his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

- General George S. Patton, Jr

Brian Thorn wrote in message . ..
On 16 Jun 2004 13:51:01 -0700, (You Gonna
Get A Spankin') wrote:

Let history show that it was Reagan who said that the show must go on,
that the challenger (aka Skytrain #1) had to go up come hell or high
water so the Ruskies would not leapfrog the Amerikkkans in the space
competition.


Ah, summer! The long, warm days. Children playing in the park,
Baseball on the tube...

...and the crackpots start posting to sci.space again!

Brian

STOP THE MUSIC!!! I HATE like you-know-what to be a NASA apologist
here, but Control makes that final go/no-go for launch. NOT the
President, not God. I wish I knew the name of the stupid
son-of-a-b**** who gave that final "go", because he (at the VERY
least) launched against protocol that morning. If he allowed
political pressure to force him into making a wrong decision that is
on HIM--and as much of a die-hard rah-rah NASA person as Gene Kranz
is, I'm sure he would agree with that assessment. Forget for a moment
about o-rings and other theories. IT WAS TOO COLD!!! There are
procedures for launch, and they are there for a reason. Lift-off
should have been scrubbed.
So, blame the right person. Like it or not, Challenger is on NASA.
LaDonna

From LaDonna Wyss:
Brian Thorn wrote
On 16 Jun 2004 13:51:01 -0700, (You Gonna
Get A Spankin') wrote:

Let history show that it was Reagan who said that the show must go on,
that the challenger (aka Skytrain #1) had to go up come hell or high
water so the Ruskies would not leapfrog the Amerikkkans in the space
competition.


Ah, summer! The long, warm days. Children playing in the park,
Baseball on the tube...

...and the crackpots start posting to sci.space again!

Brian

STOP THE MUSIC!!! I HATE like you-know-what to be a NASA apologist
here, but Control makes that final go/no-go for launch. NOT the
President, not God. I wish I knew the name of the stupid
son-of-a-b**** who gave that final "go", because he (at the VERY
least) launched against protocol that morning. If he allowed
political pressure to force him into making a wrong decision that is
on HIM--and as much of a die-hard rah-rah NASA person as Gene Kranz
is, I'm sure he would agree with that assessment. Forget for a moment
about o-rings and other theories. IT WAS TOO COLD!!! There are
procedures for launch, and they are there for a reason. Lift-off
should have been scrubbed.
So, blame the right person. Like it or not, Challenger is on NASA.

That's what's so shocking, LaDonna. MOD has never been held
accountable for their failure to scrub 51-L.

Management has been cited. Thiokol has been cited. But the Launch
Director, Flight Director and others with operational control
authority have been...

*PROMOTED*!

The very people who called -Go- for launch on that icy morning are
today *running NASA*.

Did you know that Gene Kranz himself was in the MOCR during the poll?
His book about the wonders of Mission Control read to me like it's
missing a few chapters. Total hypocrisy when he stresses
accountability for decisions on other missions and then side-steps any
owning up to his sitting there watching the trigger get pulled.

While astronauts die, the teflon shield around MOD keeps certain folks
well protected.



Just now an idea came to me on how to help ensure crew safety...

For every launch, place one of the Ascent Flight Director's children
in the spacecraft as an additional crew member.

How many Flight Directors would have launched 51-L knowing that it was
their kid? For that matter, how many Flight Directors would have
launched -107 ?!


For the anniversary of STS-107, Wayne Hale, one of the *very few*
people in the history of NASA who have been Ascent Flight Directors,
wrote a very powerful message about owning up to mistakes.

....except he never owned up to the one mistake that was the most
fatal: launching Columbia.

Recall that two launches prior to -107, a large foam chunk broke off
during the launch of STS-112 and it damaged the vehicle. NASA pressed
ahead. No one in MOD halted the program. Wayne Hale himself did not
stop STS-113. He did not stop STS-107. No mention of any of this in
his otherwise bold letter.


~ CT

"Stuf4" wrote:
That's what's so shocking, LaDonna. MOD has never been held
accountable for their failure to scrub 51-L.

We've been through this before, Stuf... you have yet to convince *anyone*
who posted here that your wild and slanderous accusations were in any way
accurate.

The very people who called -Go- for launch on that icy morning are
today *running NASA*.

Cite?

Did you know that Gene Kranz himself was in the MOCR during the poll?

Gene retired some ten years ago. How is he "running NASA"?

While astronauts die, the teflon shield around MOD keeps certain folks
well protected.

Vacuous dribble... no basis in fact or reality.

Roger
--
Roger Balettie
former Flight Dynamics Officer
Space Shuttle Mission Control
http://www.balettie.com/

From Roger Balettie:
"Stuf4" wrote:
That's what's so shocking, LaDonna. MOD has never been held
accountable for their failure to scrub 51-L.

We've been through this before, Stuf... you have yet to convince *anyone*
who posted here that your wild and slanderous accusations were in any way
accurate.

The very people who called -Go- for launch on that icy morning are
today *running NASA*.

Cite?

Did you know that Gene Kranz himself was in the MOCR during the poll?

Gene retired some ten years ago. How is he "running NASA"?

(I didn't say that Gene Kranz is currently running NASA.)

While astronauts die, the teflon shield around MOD keeps certain folks
well protected.

Vacuous dribble... no basis in fact or reality.


No basis? Here are a few references, just for starters...


Fred Gregory, 51-L asst CAPCOM to NASA Deputy Administrator:
THEN- http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/lores/STS51L(S)001.jpg
NOW- http://www.nasa.gov/about/highlights...re_Deputy.html

Jay Greene, 51-L Flight Director to JSC Chief Engineer:
THEN- http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/lores/STS51L(S)002.jpg
NOW- http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/people/orgs/ag.html

Gene Thomas, 51-L Launch Director to KSC Deputy Director:
BIO- http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/bios/thomas.htm
(Recipient of NASA "Outstanding Leadership Medal in 1988", in
Challenger's wake.)

Dick Covey, 51-L CAPCOM to 51-L RTF PLT to STS-107 RTF Task Group
Co-Chair:
THEN- (See above. Sitting next to Fred Gregory.)
NEXT- http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/...ts-26-crew.gif
NOW- http://returntoflight.org/members/default.asp?id=covey

Gene Kranz, JSC Director of MOD:
http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/lores/STS51L(S)008.jpg

Bob Sieck, KSC Shuttle Launch Director to Director of Shuttle
Operations
BIO- http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/bios/sieck.htm
http://nix.ksc.nasa.gov/info;jsessio...C-1804&orgid=5


(Roger, you and I have been through this exact discussion quite
thoroughly in recent years. One thread-
. com.)


~ CT