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Old January 30th 13, 03:44 PM posted to sci.space.history
Bob Haller
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Default Apollo 13, what if the SMs tank had exploded after the LM hadbeen on the surface


so would nasa just leave the dead crew, but continue flying more
missions? or try to recover the bodies however they could.


Why would it matter? *Dead is dead. *Declare the site a memorial and let
the bodies rest in peace.


familys may not look at things like you do......
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Old January 30th 13, 08:07 PM posted to sci.space.history
Jeff Findley[_2_]
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Default Apollo 13, what if the SMs tank had exploded after the LM had been on the surface

In article 1875dba3-991c-4996-b6c7-868e881bfa78
@h2g2000yqa.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jan 30, 8:36*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article 80c2ac95-558f-4a3a-842d-9b0e9efa2255
@h2g2000yqa.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jan 28, 8:26*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article c046a8b5-2976-448b-bc75-8d21f6a13333
@x18g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says...


Obviously the crew had no way to get home. Would apollo continued to
possibly recover the astronauts bodies? *was there any way to even get
the bodies home?


Were there any plans for such a sad event? Or one where the LM crew
gets stranded on the surface? leaving the CM pilot to come home alone?


yeah i know its a gruesome topic but do wonder if there were any plans
for such outcomes?


would the 13 SM defect had been found with a crew stuck in orbit?


More "what if" b.s.? *I don't consier that history, I consider it
fiction.


call it whatever you want. the military tries its best to return all
dead military members to their family.I recently had a realtive in
afghanistan see his best friend die. kevin had to kill the 13 year old
aghanistan kid who killed his buddy, then drag his buddys body back to
a safer place.


NASA was not, and is not, part of the military.

so would nasa just leave the dead crew, but continue flying more
missions? or try to recover the bodies however they could.


Why would it matter? *Dead is dead. *Declare the site a memorial and let
the bodies rest in peace.

if a soyuz has a problem in transit to ISS and the crew dies are there
any plans to attempt recovering the bodies?


If it can be controlled from the ground, no doubt the Russians would try
to land as close as they can to the normal recovery zone. *If not, then
orbital decay will take care of "recovery".

Your morbid curiosity is quite disturbing when combined with your
chicken little paranoia. *You must think the whole world is out to get
you.


you know if manned flight continues, espiclly if mars becomes a
destination bad days can occur


A "bad day" can occur driving to work. Do you have any idea how many
people in this world are killed by traffic accidents every single day?

and look how long challeger debris recovery continued with emphasis on
the crew compartment...


True, but that is standard operating procedure in the case of any
accident. For a disabled or damaged craft on the moon (or pretty much
anywhere beyond LEO), this isn't practical.

The best terrestrial example I can think of is Mt. Everest. Sure, it
*might* be possible to recover the many bodies that litter that
mountain, but for the ones at the highest altitudes (i.e. in the "death
zone", where you're going to die if you don't summit and leave quickly),
it's just not practical. So the bodies still remain on the mountain.

Jeff
--
"the perennial claim that hypersonic airbreathing propulsion would
magically make space launch cheaper is nonsense -- LOX is much cheaper
than advanced airbreathing engines, and so are the tanks to put it in
and the extra thrust to carry it." - Henry Spencer
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Old January 30th 13, 10:11 PM posted to sci.space.history
Bob Haller
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Default Apollo 13, what if the SMs tank had exploded after the LM hadbeen on the surface

On Jan 30, 2:07*pm, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article 1875dba3-991c-4996-b6c7-868e881bfa78
@h2g2000yqa.googlegroups.com, says...







On Jan 30, 8:36*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article 80c2ac95-558f-4a3a-842d-9b0e9efa2255
@h2g2000yqa.googlegroups.com, says...


On Jan 28, 8:26*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article c046a8b5-2976-448b-bc75-8d21f6a13333
@x18g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says...


Obviously the crew had no way to get home. Would apollo continued to
possibly recover the astronauts bodies? *was there any way to even get
the bodies home?


Were there any plans for such a sad event? Or one where the LM crew
gets stranded on the surface? leaving the CM pilot to come home alone?


yeah i know its a gruesome topic but do wonder if there were any plans
for such outcomes?


would the 13 SM defect had been found with a crew stuck in orbit?


More "what if" b.s.? *I don't consier that history, I consider it
fiction.


call it whatever you want. the military tries its best to return all
dead military members to their family.I recently had a realtive in
afghanistan see his best friend die. kevin had to kill the 13 year old
aghanistan kid who killed his buddy, then drag his buddys body back to
a safer place.


NASA was not, and is not, part of the military.


so would nasa just leave the dead crew, but continue flying more
missions? or try to recover the bodies however they could.


Why would it matter? *Dead is dead. *Declare the site a memorial and let
the bodies rest in peace.


if a soyuz has a problem in transit to ISS and the crew dies are there
any plans to attempt recovering the bodies?


If it can be controlled from the ground, no doubt the Russians would try
to land as close as they can to the normal recovery zone. *If not, then
orbital decay will take care of "recovery".


Your morbid curiosity is quite disturbing when combined with your
chicken little paranoia. *You must think the whole world is out to get
you.


you know if manned flight continues, espiclly if mars becomes a
destination bad days can occur


A "bad day" can occur driving to work. *Do you have any idea how many
people in this world are killed by traffic accidents every single day?

and look how long challeger debris recovery continued with emphasis on
the crew compartment...


True, but that is standard operating procedure in the case of any
accident. *For a disabled or damaged craft on the moon (or pretty much
anywhere beyond LEO), this isn't practical.

The best terrestrial example I can think of is Mt. Everest. *Sure, it
*might* be possible to recover the many bodies that litter that
mountain, but for the ones at the highest altitudes (i.e. in the "death
zone", where you're going to die if you don't summit and leave quickly),
it's just not practical. *So the bodies still remain on the mountain.

Jeff
--



ok to make it clear you believe that if anyone dies in space its best
to not attempt recovery of their body?

the challenger bodies and crew compartment were in deep water off the
coast......

but its ok to recover gus grissoms mercury capsule that sunk so long
ago in very deep water?
  #14  
Old January 30th 13, 11:00 PM posted to sci.space.history
Jeff Findley[_2_]
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Default Apollo 13, what if the SMs tank had exploded after the LM had been on the surface

In article 78cec1b9-30d8-4047-9cf4-9716cca27264
@j2g2000yqj.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jan 30, 2:07*pm, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article 1875dba3-991c-4996-b6c7-868e881bfa78
@h2g2000yqa.googlegroups.com, says...
you know if manned flight continues, espiclly if mars becomes a
destination bad days can occur


A "bad day" can occur driving to work. *Do you have any idea how many
people in this world are killed by traffic accidents every single day?

and look how long challeger debris recovery continued with emphasis on
the crew compartment...


True, but that is standard operating procedure in the case of any
accident. *For a disabled or damaged craft on the moon (or pretty much
anywhere beyond LEO), this isn't practical.

The best terrestrial example I can think of is Mt. Everest. *Sure, it
*might* be possible to recover the many bodies that litter that
mountain, but for the ones at the highest altitudes (i.e. in the "death
zone", where you're going to die if you don't summit and leave quickly),
it's just not practical. *So the bodies still remain on the mountain.


ok to make it clear you believe that if anyone dies in space its best
to not attempt recovery of their body?


Only if it's practical. If a lunar lander becomes stranded on the
surface of the moon and the crew dies, I'd say leave them there. Why
spend billions to bring back a corpse? What is the justification?

Declare the thing a memorial and don't touch it ever again. Let the
remains rest in peace.

the challenger bodies and crew compartment were in deep water off the
coast......


That's not the surface of the moon, which seemed to be your original
scenario.

but its ok to recover gus grissoms mercury capsule that sunk so long
ago in very deep water?


Gus Grissom didn't die, and the capsule was relatively easy and cheap to
recover once it was found. If that capsule had been on the moon, it
would still be there.

Jeff
--
"the perennial claim that hypersonic airbreathing propulsion would
magically make space launch cheaper is nonsense -- LOX is much cheaper
than advanced airbreathing engines, and so are the tanks to put it in
and the extra thrust to carry it." - Henry Spencer
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Old January 31st 13, 02:21 AM posted to sci.space.history
Greg \(Strider\) Moore
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Default Apollo 13, what if the SMs tank had exploded after the LM had been on the surface



"bob haller" wrote in message
...

The photos 13s astronauts took right before re entry helped discover
the cause of the explosion....

would a stranded crew be ordered to undock to look at their SM, given
they were going to die, and the in flight camera may not have had the
resolution to show what occured.


Ordered, probably not. That said, they were professional test pilots for
the most part and would probably continue to "perform the mission to the
end" even if the mission changed.


photos obviouslywouldnt get bach unless the crew got back, and in
this


Right because they didn't have any tv cameras.

did other tanks have the same defect? over voltage on underrated
components


No.


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Old January 31st 13, 02:23 AM posted to sci.space.history
Greg \(Strider\) Moore
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Default Apollo 13, what if the SMs tank had exploded after the LM had been on the surface

"bob haller" wrote in message
...

On Jan 30, 8:36 am, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article 80c2ac95-558f-4a3a-842d-9b0e9efa2255
@h2g2000yqa.googlegroups.com, says...
call it whatever you want. the military tries its best to return all
dead military members to their family.I recently had a realtive in
afghanistan see his best friend die. kevin had to kill the 13 year old
aghanistan kid who killed his buddy, then drag his buddys body back to
a safer place.


NASA was not, and is not, part of the military.


And more over there are plenty of places the military has made no attempt at
recovery because the logistics make it too hard (or for other reasons).

Fred pointed out the USS Arizona is a memorial and a tomb to those who died
on that fateful day.

The USS Thresher is not a memorial, but no attempt was made to recover
bodies. It just wasn't possible.

Basically, it'll come to down "if it's reasonably feasible, they'll do what
they can, but not go nuts about it."

so would nasa just leave the dead crew, but continue flying more
missions? or try to recover the bodies however they could.


Why would it matter? Dead is dead. Declare the site a memorial and let
the bodies rest in peace.

if a soyuz has a problem in transit to ISS and the crew dies are there
any plans to attempt recovering the bodies?


If it can be controlled from the ground, no doubt the Russians would try
to land as close as they can to the normal recovery zone. If not, then
orbital decay will take care of "recovery".

Your morbid curiosity is quite disturbing when combined with your
chicken little paranoia. You must think the whole world is out to get
you.

Jeff
--
"the perennial claim that hypersonic airbreathing propulsion would
magically make space launch cheaper is nonsense -- LOX is much cheaper
than advanced airbreathing engines, and so are the tanks to put it in
and the extra thrust to carry it." - Henry Spencer


you know if manned flight continues, espiclly if mars becomes a
destination bad days can occur

and look how long challeger debris recovery continued with emphasis on
the crew compartment...



--
Greg D. Moore http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/
CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses. http://www.quicr.net

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Old January 31st 13, 02:16 PM posted to sci.space.history
Dean
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Default Apollo 13, what if the SMs tank had exploded after the LM hadbeen on the surface

On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 4:11:36 PM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
On Jan 30, 2:07*pm, Jeff Findley wrote:

In article 1875dba3-991c-4996-b6c7-868e881bfa78


@h2g2000yqa.googlegroups.com, says...
















On Jan 30, 8:36*am, Jeff Findley wrote:


In article 80c2ac95-558f-4a3a-842d-9b0e9efa2255


@h2g2000yqa.googlegroups.com, says...




On Jan 28, 8:26*am, Jeff Findley wrote:


In article c046a8b5-2976-448b-bc75-8d21f6a13333


@x18g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says...




Obviously the crew had no way to get home. Would apollo continued to


possibly recover the astronauts bodies? *was there any way to even get


the bodies home?




Were there any plans for such a sad event? Or one where the LM crew


gets stranded on the surface? leaving the CM pilot to come home alone?




yeah i know its a gruesome topic but do wonder if there were any plans


for such outcomes?




would the 13 SM defect had been found with a crew stuck in orbit?




More "what if" b.s.? *I don't consier that history, I consider it


fiction.




call it whatever you want. the military tries its best to return all


dead military members to their family.I recently had a realtive in


afghanistan see his best friend die. kevin had to kill the 13 year old


aghanistan kid who killed his buddy, then drag his buddys body back to


a safer place.




NASA was not, and is not, part of the military.




so would nasa just leave the dead crew, but continue flying more


missions? or try to recover the bodies however they could.




Why would it matter? *Dead is dead. *Declare the site a memorial and let


the bodies rest in peace.




if a soyuz has a problem in transit to ISS and the crew dies are there


any plans to attempt recovering the bodies?




If it can be controlled from the ground, no doubt the Russians would try


to land as close as they can to the normal recovery zone. *If not, then


orbital decay will take care of "recovery".




Your morbid curiosity is quite disturbing when combined with your


chicken little paranoia. *You must think the whole world is out to get


you.




you know if manned flight continues, espiclly if mars becomes a


destination bad days can occur




A "bad day" can occur driving to work. *Do you have any idea how many


people in this world are killed by traffic accidents every single day?




and look how long challeger debris recovery continued with emphasis on


the crew compartment...




True, but that is standard operating procedure in the case of any


accident. *For a disabled or damaged craft on the moon (or pretty much


anywhere beyond LEO), this isn't practical.




The best terrestrial example I can think of is Mt. Everest. *Sure, it


*might* be possible to recover the many bodies that litter that


mountain, but for the ones at the highest altitudes (i.e. in the "death


zone", where you're going to die if you don't summit and leave quickly),


it's just not practical. *So the bodies still remain on the mountain.




Jeff


--






ok to make it clear you believe that if anyone dies in space its best

to not attempt recovery of their body?



the challenger bodies and crew compartment were in deep water off the

coast......



but its ok to recover gus grissoms mercury capsule that sunk so long

ago in very deep water?


Do you have problems with common sense? Which is easier? Recovering a body from the moon or one in water off the coast of FL? Really, Bob, you need to think a bit deeper sometimes.
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Old January 31st 13, 03:31 PM posted to sci.space.history
Bob Haller
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Default Apollo 13, what if the SMs tank had exploded after the LM hadbeen on the surface

On Jan 31, 9:11*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article ,
says...







On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 4:11:36 PM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:


ok to make it clear you believe that if anyone dies in space its best


to not attempt recovery of their body?


the challenger bodies and crew compartment were in deep water off the


coast......


but its ok to recover gus grissoms mercury capsule that sunk so long


ago in very deep water?


Do you have problems with common sense? *Which is easier? *Recovering a body from the moon or one in water off the coast of FL? *Really, Bob, you need to think a bit deeper sometimes.


It's clear that Bob is out of his depth.

Jeff
--
"the perennial claim that hypersonic airbreathing propulsion would
magically make space launch cheaper is nonsense -- LOX is much cheaper
than advanced airbreathing engines, and so are the tanks to put it in
and the extra thrust to carry it." - Henry Spencer


really look at the efforts today to recover remains from korea or
second world war. why spend time and money the 2nd world war familys
who knew the victims have probably mostly died of old age....
 




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