Venus is not too hot to touch with the Ovglove

BradGuth wrote:
On Jun 1, 6:45 pm, ah wrote:
Double-A wrote:
On May 30, 5:29 pm, ah wrote:
Double-A wrote:
On May 30, 3:08 am, ah wrote:
Double-A wrote:
On May 29, 7:44 pm, ah wrote:
Double-A wrote:
On May 29, 5:37 pm, ah wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
At losing 20.5 w/m2, Venus is still not the least bit too hot to touch
with theOvglove, much less of any problem for a composite rigid
airship.

Comparing Earth/Venus is not even a fair game, as to any half smart ET
village idiot, the planet Venus wins every time.

Too bad that Cambridge and the like are too mainstream snookered and
otherwise dumbfounded past the point of no return, as to know about
such things.

Too bad that ADOBE PhotoShop or the likes of digital photographic
enlargement alternatives that are even better, is still so taboo/
nondisclosure rated.

Too bad them pesky laws of physics and of whatever's the best
available science can't function off-world. I obviously didn't know
that such regular laws of physics and of whatever science were so
unusually terrestrial limited.
-
BradGuth
-
"whoever controls the past, controls the future" / George Orwell

On Apr 4, 5:07 pm, wrote:
As long as you don't run yourself out of ice cold beer and pizza, I
don't see all that much of a problem.

As long as you've got way more spare/renewable energy at your disposal
than you could possibly know what to do with, and having that nifty
thermal suit made byOvglove, where's the big-ass insurmountable
problem with taking that hot-foot of a toasty stroll onVenus?

CO2--CO/O2 is not hardly a technical problem, hasn't been for a good
decade or more.

Pure H2O as easily extracted from those somewhat cool nighttime acidic
clouds (above the S8 layer) is simply another mission positive win-
win.

The 65 kg/m3 worth of buoyancy as working along with the 90.5% gravity
is offering a couple of other nifty factors that'll work rather well
for your composite rigid airship (just like on behalf of those
Venusian composite rigid airships).

If you're any damn good at PhotoShop, goto:http://guthvenus.tripod.com/http://g...om/gv-town.htm
or best you start with your very own look-see at the following
official image site:http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif

The 36 look per pixel of that GIF image format starts getting
interesting at being 3X resampled, and then giving it all the best
PhotoShop or whatever else you can muster, although the original GIF
1:1 image was actually good enough for my PhotoShop configured brain
to deductively interpret upon what's most likely artificial as opposed
to what's perfectly natural. 36 looks per pixel is offering a lot of
truthworthy image data to start with, so it's a good one to stick with
rather than dealing with their individual 75 meter/pixel versions as
having combined but four looks per pixel.

Don't try to process the entire image unless you've got one heck of a
nifty PC or MAC. Try clipping out only the small portion of the total
image that's roughly a third up from the bottom and just to the right
of center, as we're talking about utilizing less than 10% or perhaps
even as little as 5% of that primary GIF image, and to process upon
just that much shouldn't traumatise your memory or performance PC or
MAC.

I'll review each of your results, that by rights should become a whole
lot better than mine. Obviously anyone can over/under force those
PhotoShop refinements, well past the point of no return, so don't do
that. My extremely old version of PhotoShop can't accomplish much
better than 8X resampling without losing ground, and besides, we don't
actually require much better than 6X for most others to see most
clearly what I'd interpreted from the original 1:1 format.

Thanks once again to 'tomcat' for also having posted this updated page
ofVenusimages.http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/th...humbnails.html

It's image No.17 from the top left being the one that so happens to
include the robust, sizable and somewhat complex community of 'GUTHVenus'.
"Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles,Venusfrom Magellan Cycle 1"http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.htm...
-BradGuth

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Perhaps gravity within certain mindsets doesn't really exist,
therefore the "gravity of the situation" doesn't exist.

It's a cliché, Brad.

BradGuth wrote:
On Jun 30, 12:07 pm, ah wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
On Jun 29, 3:44 pm, ah wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
On May 29, 6:47 am, BradGuth wrote:
At losing 20.5 w/m2,Venusis still not the least bit too hot to touch
with the Ovglove, much less of any problem for a composite rigid
airship.

Comparing Earth/Venusis not even a fair game, as to any half smart ET
village idiot, the planetVenuswins every time.

Too bad that Cambridge and the like are too mainstream snookered and
otherwise dumbfounded past the point of no return, as to know about
such things.

Too bad that ADOBE PhotoShop or the likes of digital photographic
enlargement alternatives that are even better, is still so taboo/
nondisclosure rated.

Too bad them pesky laws of physics and of whatever's the best
available science can't function off-world. I obviously didn't know
that such regular laws of physics and of whatever science were so
unusually terrestrial limited.
-
BradGuth
-
"whoever controls the past, controls the future" / George Orwell

On Apr 4, 5:07 pm, wrote:

As long as you don't run yourself out of ice cold beer and pizza, I
don't see all that much of a problem.

As long as you've got way more spare/renewable energy at your disposal
than you could possibly know what to do with, and having that nifty
thermal suit made by Ovglove, where's the big-ass insurmountable
problem with taking that hot-foot of a toasty stroll onVenus?

CO2--CO/O2 is not hardly a technical problem, hasn't been for a good
decade or more.

Pure H2O as easily extracted from those somewhat cool nighttime acidic
clouds (above the S8 layer) is simply another mission positive win-
win.

The 65 kg/m3 worth of buoyancy as working along with the 90.5% gravity
is offering a couple of other nifty factors that'll work rather well
for your composite rigid airship (just like on behalf of those
Venusian composite rigid airships).

If you're any damn good at PhotoShop, goto:http://guthvenus.tripod.com/http://g...om/gv-town.htm
or best you start with your very own look-see at the following
official image site:http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif

The 36 look per pixel of that GIF image format starts getting
interesting at being 3X resampled, and then giving it all the best
PhotoShop or whatever else you can muster, although the original GIF
1:1 image was actually good enough for my PhotoShop configured brain
to deductively interpret upon what's most likely artificial as opposed
to what's perfectly natural. 36 looks per pixel is offering a lot of
truthworthy image data to start with, so it's a good one to stick with
rather than dealing with their individual 75 meter/pixel versions as
having combined but four looks per pixel.

Don't try to process the entire image unless you've got one heck of a
nifty PC or MAC. Try clipping out only the small portion of the total
image that's roughly a third up from the bottom and just to the right
of center, as we're talking about utilizing less than 10% or perhaps
even as little as 5% of that primary GIF image, and to process upon
just that much shouldn't traumatise your memory or performance PC or
MAC.

I'll review each of your results, that by rights should become a whole
lot better than mine. Obviously anyone can over/under force those
PhotoShop refinements, well past the point of no return, so don't do
that. My extremely old version of PhotoShop can't accomplish much
better than 8X resampling without losing ground, and besides, we don't
actually require much better than 6X for most others to see most
clearly what I'd interpreted from the original 1:1 format.

Thanks once again to 'tomcat' for also having posted this updated page
ofVenusimages.http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/th...humbnails.html

It's image No.17 from the top left being the one that so happens to
include the robust, sizable and somewhat complex community of 'GUTHVenus'.
"Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles,Venusfrom Magellan Cycle 1"http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.htm...
-BradGuth- Hide quoted text -

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Where's all the love and affection on behalf of Venus? (the next best
other planet to Earth)

It's as though our toasty and somewhat newish planetology of Venus is
taboo/nondisclosure rated, almost as much so as our moon.

Where's all of the supposed expertise and otherwise wizards of space
and planetary science?

Why all the topic/author banishment?

Life is most-often weird enough.- Hide quoted text -

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I agree that "Life is most-often weird enough", so why not ET life
that's just smart enough in order to deal with the active and mostly
geothermal driven toasty environment of Venus?

The somewhat newish planetology of the Venus surface environment isn't
outside of existing technology to deal with, and especially of those
already smart enough for interplanetary travels.

Simple explanation: we don't know 99 44/100ths of what lives below the
waves of our own planet.

Seems such a waste of time to venture on what may have existed some handful
of millennia ago on an inner planet that will be consumed before Earf.- Hide quoted text -

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What's to waste?

It's there, it's extremely nearby, it has unlimited raw elements and
locally renewable energy to spare, other ETs or perhaps Venusian
locals have been doing there thing.

Doing Venus isn't one percent of doing Mars, much less of planets or
of their moon that are each considerably further away.

Venus is blocked by clouds; Mars isn't.

Check-mate.


I agree that Earth should come first, with secondly relocating of our
moon to Earth's L1 being our global warming priority No.1. Perhaps

You want to move the Moon to L1?!?

thirdly we should establish POOF City at VL2, and go on from there.

The Average Joe is kinda antipathetic about POOFs. It just won't go
over, politically.

In sci.physics, ah

wrote
on Sat, 04 Aug 2007 21:10:46 -0400
:
BradGuth wrote:
On Jun 30, 12:07 pm, ah wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
On Jun 29, 3:44 pm, ah wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
On May 29, 6:47 am, BradGuth wrote:
At losing 20.5 w/m2,Venusis still not the least bit too hot to touch
with the Ovglove, much less of any problem for a composite rigid
airship.

Comparing Earth/Venusis not even a fair game, as to any half smart ET
village idiot, the planetVenuswins every time.

Too bad that Cambridge and the like are too mainstream snookered and
otherwise dumbfounded past the point of no return, as to know about
such things.

Too bad that ADOBE PhotoShop or the likes of digital photographic
enlargement alternatives that are even better, is still so taboo/
nondisclosure rated.

Too bad them pesky laws of physics and of whatever's the best
available science can't function off-world. I obviously didn't know
that such regular laws of physics and of whatever science were so
unusually terrestrial limited.
-
BradGuth
-
"whoever controls the past, controls the future" / George Orwell

On Apr 4, 5:07 pm, wrote:

As long as you don't run yourself out of ice cold beer and pizza, I
don't see all that much of a problem.

As long as you've got way more spare/renewable energy at your disposal
than you could possibly know what to do with, and having that nifty
thermal suit made by Ovglove, where's the big-ass insurmountable
problem with taking that hot-foot of a toasty stroll onVenus?

CO2--CO/O2 is not hardly a technical problem, hasn't been for a good
decade or more.

Pure H2O as easily extracted from those somewhat cool nighttime acidic
clouds (above the S8 layer) is simply another mission positive win-
win.

The 65 kg/m3 worth of buoyancy as working along with the 90.5% gravity
is offering a couple of other nifty factors that'll work rather well
for your composite rigid airship (just like on behalf of those
Venusian composite rigid airships).

If you're any damn good at PhotoShop, goto:http://guthvenus.tripod.com/http://g...om/gv-town.htm
or best you start with your very own look-see at the following
official image site:http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif

The 36 look per pixel of that GIF image format starts getting
interesting at being 3X resampled, and then giving it all the best
PhotoShop or whatever else you can muster, although the original GIF
1:1 image was actually good enough for my PhotoShop configured brain
to deductively interpret upon what's most likely artificial as opposed
to what's perfectly natural. 36 looks per pixel is offering a lot of
truthworthy image data to start with, so it's a good one to stick with
rather than dealing with their individual 75 meter/pixel versions as
having combined but four looks per pixel.

Don't try to process the entire image unless you've got one heck of a
nifty PC or MAC. Try clipping out only the small portion of the total
image that's roughly a third up from the bottom and just to the right
of center, as we're talking about utilizing less than 10% or perhaps
even as little as 5% of that primary GIF image, and to process upon
just that much shouldn't traumatise your memory or performance PC or
MAC.

I'll review each of your results, that by rights should become a whole
lot better than mine. Obviously anyone can over/under force those
PhotoShop refinements, well past the point of no return, so don't do
that. My extremely old version of PhotoShop can't accomplish much
better than 8X resampling without losing ground, and besides, we don't
actually require much better than 6X for most others to see most
clearly what I'd interpreted from the original 1:1 format.

Thanks once again to 'tomcat' for also having posted this updated page
ofVenusimages.http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/th...humbnails.html

It's image No.17 from the top left being the one that so happens to
include the robust, sizable and somewhat complex community of 'GUTHVenus'.
"Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles,Venusfrom Magellan Cycle 1"http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.htm...
-BradGuth- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Where's all the love and affection on behalf of Venus? (the next best
other planet to Earth)

It's as though our toasty and somewhat newish planetology of Venus is
taboo/nondisclosure rated, almost as much so as our moon.

Where's all of the supposed expertise and otherwise wizards of space
and planetary science?

Why all the topic/author banishment?

Life is most-often weird enough.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I agree that "Life is most-often weird enough", so why not ET life
that's just smart enough in order to deal with the active and mostly
geothermal driven toasty environment of Venus?

The somewhat newish planetology of the Venus surface environment isn't
outside of existing technology to deal with, and especially of those
already smart enough for interplanetary travels.

Simple explanation: we don't know 99 44/100ths of what lives below the
waves of our own planet.

Seems such a waste of time to venture on what may have existed some handful
of millennia ago on an inner planet that will be consumed before Earf.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What's to waste?

It's there, it's extremely nearby, it has unlimited raw elements and
locally renewable energy to spare, other ETs or perhaps Venusian
locals have been doing there thing.

Doing Venus isn't one percent of doing Mars, much less of planets or
of their moon that are each considerably further away.

Venus is blocked by clouds; Mars isn't.

Check-mate.


I agree that Earth should come first, with secondly relocating of our
moon to Earth's L1 being our global warming priority No.1. Perhaps

You want to move the Moon to L1?!?

He has always wanted to move the Moon to Earth's L1,
apparently so as to block part of the incoming sunlight,
presumably compensating for the Moon's global warming effect.
(Erm...yeah.)

The goal is weird enough, but the method is even weirder:
a billion-metric-tonne mass tethered to the Moon by a
line 3x the length between the Moon and the Earth-Moon L2
(that would be 185,000 km from the Moon's center of mass,
or about half Luna's orbit) or possibly the Earth-Sun L2
(about 4.5 million km out), presumably gradually pulling
it out somehow into the requisite orbit until it reaches
the target.

Except that there's no way it's going to work without
additional resources (e.g., massive thrust engines).
At best, such a contrivance might shift the center of mass
of the orbiting complex a little bit (and it wouldn't be
all that much; 10^12 kg versus 7.35 *10^22 kg). At worst,
the mass will establish an independent orbit, with it
and its tether posing a hazard to nearby spacecraft --
or the tether will simply snap.

I'm also not entirely sure as to how massive the tether
will have to be, even were the mass perfectly positionable
and able to tug the Moon into the desired orbit.

But never mind all that; I'm a Jewish naysayer, apparently. :-)

Bear also in mind that to Brad Luna is highly radioactive
("anti-cathode" is the term he uses), lethal to anyone
who steps thereonto, even in a NASA-style protective suit
(whose primary goals were pressurization and maybe thermal
insulation, and did not address the issue of radiation
AFAIK). Of course the Moon is lethal to anyone silly
enough to step outside *without* such a suit, but that's
a different issue -- and the Apollo astronauts were well
aware of that risk.


thirdly we should establish POOF City at VL2, and go on from there.

The Average Joe is kinda antipathetic about POOFs. It just won't go
over, politically.

I was under the impression that Brad wanted to structure
this as a purely commercial venture. The general idea was
to send a city/spacecraft into the Sun-Venus L2 point --
more or less in Venus's shadow, as it were -- and supply
it with pizza and beer. Paying passengers would then be
shuttled to this city, as a vacation destination; they
would be picked up on the next cycle out, which is about
19 months or so as Earth again overtakes Venus.

Stripped of the more obvious silliness (beer and pizza
isn't that nutritious!), it might work on its technical
merits. I don't know how many would actually buy a ticket
to his city, though. (At $100M per, not very many, even
were Brad's sales pitch perfect.)

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On Aug 4, 10:04 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
wrote:
He has always wanted to move the Moon to Earth's L1,
apparently so as to block part of the incoming sunlight,
presumably compensating for the Moon's global warming effect.
(Erm...yeah.)

The goal is weird enough, but the method is even weirder:
a billion-metric-tonne mass tethered to the Moon by a
line 3x the length between the Moon and the Earth-Moon L2
(that would be 185,000 km from the Moon's center of mass,
or about half Luna's orbit) or possibly the Earth-Sun L2
(about 4.5 million km out), presumably gradually pulling
it out somehow into the requisite orbit until it reaches
the target.

I'd actually said that using 2X worth of the moon's L2 should more
than do the tethered trick. But then you're not at all whom you say
you are, so what's the difference?

To your credit, I'd had also once said, if need be a 3XL2 could be
utilized. But then you're not at all whom you say you are, so what's
the difference?


Except that there's no way it's going to work without
additional resources (e.g., massive thrust engines).
At best, such a contrivance might shift the center of mass
of the orbiting complex a little bit (and it wouldn't be
all that much; 10^12 kg versus 7.35 *10^22 kg). At worst,
the mass will establish an independent orbit, with it
and its tether posing a hazard to nearby spacecraft --
or the tether will simply snap.

I'm also not entirely sure as to how massive the tether
will have to be, even were the mass perfectly positionable
and able to tug the Moon into the desired orbit.

But never mind all that; I'm a Jewish naysayer, apparently. :-)

You've just proved that you are in fact a self certified Jewish
naysayer, at least by way of your naysay actions in support of all
that's Old Testament.


Bear also in mind that to Brad Luna is highly radioactive
("anti-cathode" is the term he uses), lethal to anyone
who steps thereonto, even in a NASA-style protective suit
(whose primary goals were pressurization and maybe thermal
insulation, and did not address the issue of radiation
AFAIK). Of course the Moon is lethal to anyone silly
enough to step outside *without* such a suit, but that's
a different issue -- and the Apollo astronauts were well
aware of that risk.

Now that's silly because, where's Venus and a good half dozen other
off-moon items hiding all of this EVA and orbital time?


thirdly we should establish POOF City at VL2, and go on from there.

The Average Joe is kinda antipathetic about POOFs. It just won't go
over, politically.

I was under the impression that Brad wanted to structure
this as a purely commercial venture. The general idea was
to send a city/spacecraft into the Sun-Venus L2 point --
more or less in Venus's shadow, as it were -- and supply
it with pizza and beer. Paying passengers would then be
shuttled to this city, as a vacation destination; they
would be picked up on the next cycle out, which is about
19 months or so as Earth again overtakes Venus.

Stripped of the more obvious silliness (beer and pizza
isn't that nutritious!), it might work on its technical
merits. I don't know how many would actually buy a ticket
to his city, though. (At $100M per, not very many, even
were Brad's sales pitch perfect.)

We'll only need twelve dozen or so, as the initial investors/suckers
for this Venus L2 POOF City to work in the black. 14 billion in start
up loot that'll likely be matched or tripled by any number of
government funded considerations, should give POOF City a good shot.
- Brad Guth

On Aug 4, 6:10 pm, ah wrote:

Venus is blocked by clouds; Mars isn't.

Check-mate.

Ever heard of RADAR imaging? Ever heard of PFS imaging?

Check out the matter of fact that once efficiently cruising below them
cool acidic clouds is where your frail DNA isn't going to get solar or
cosmic radiated to death, or otherwise so easily nailed by whatever's
physically arriving. I believe that's worth an honest double reverse
"check-mate", and there's at least another third check-mate because,
there's teratonnes of h2o within them acidic clouds.


I agree that Earth should come first, with secondly relocating of our
moon to Earth's L1 being our global warming priority No.1. Perhaps

You want to move the Moon to L1?!?

Do you have a problem with this constructive aspect of salvaging Earth
and humanity at the same time?!?


thirdly we should establish POOF City at VL2, and go on from there.

The Average Joe is kinda antipathetic about POOFs. It just won't go
over, politically.

I agree, as we should have a POOF naming contest, with the first prize
being a half priced ticket to ride.
- Brad Guth

In sci.physics, BradGuth

wrote
on Mon, 06 Aug 2007 01:00:32 -0000
.com:
On Aug 4, 6:10 pm, ah wrote:

Venus is blocked by clouds; Mars isn't.

Check-mate.

Ever heard of RADAR imaging? Ever heard of PFS imaging?

Check out the matter of fact that once efficiently cruising below them
cool acidic clouds is where your frail DNA isn't going to get solar or
cosmic radiated to death, or otherwise so easily nailed by whatever's
physically arriving. I believe that's worth an honest double reverse
"check-mate", and there's at least another third check-mate because,
there's teratonnes of h2o within them acidic clouds.

9.6 teratonnes, to be precise.



I agree that Earth should come first, with secondly relocating of our
moon to Earth's L1 being our global warming priority No.1. Perhaps

You want to move the Moon to L1?!?

Do you have a problem with this constructive aspect of salvaging Earth
and humanity at the same time?!?

There's a few interesting technical problems. The biggest one is how to
get a billion metric tonnes into the right place. I'm also curious as
to the requisite strength of the tether.



thirdly we should establish POOF City at VL2, and go on from there.

The Average Joe is kinda antipathetic about POOFs. It just won't go
over, politically.

I agree, as we should have a POOF naming contest, with the first prize
being a half priced ticket to ride.
- Brad Guth



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In sci.physics, BradGuth

wrote
on Mon, 06 Aug 2007 00:45:11 -0000
.com:
On Aug 4, 10:04 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
wrote:
He has always wanted to move the Moon to Earth's L1,
apparently so as to block part of the incoming sunlight,
presumably compensating for the Moon's global warming effect.
(Erm...yeah.)

The goal is weird enough, but the method is even weirder:
a billion-metric-tonne mass tethered to the Moon by a
line 3x the length between the Moon and the Earth-Moon L2
(that would be 185,000 km from the Moon's center of mass,
or about half Luna's orbit) or possibly the Earth-Sun L2
(about 4.5 million km out), presumably gradually pulling
it out somehow into the requisite orbit until it reaches
the target.

I'd actually said that using 2X worth of the moon's L2 should more
than do the tethered trick. But then you're not at all whom you say
you are, so what's the difference?

To your credit, I'd had also once said, if need be a 3XL2 could be
utilized. But then you're not at all whom you say you are, so what's
the difference?

You are proposing a flight plan. I am certainly not a
rocket scientist, just an interested goyim. Oh, wait,
I can't be one of those; I have to be Jewish. Well,
never mind -- the point is that your flight plan lacks
a certain level of detail; in particular, how do we get
that tonnage up there? How much did you want us to PAY
to get that tonnage up there?



Except that there's no way it's going to work without
additional resources (e.g., massive thrust engines).
At best, such a contrivance might shift the center of mass
of the orbiting complex a little bit (and it wouldn't be
all that much; 10^12 kg versus 7.35 *10^22 kg). At worst,
the mass will establish an independent orbit, with it
and its tether posing a hazard to nearby spacecraft --
or the tether will simply snap.

I'm also not entirely sure as to how massive the tether
will have to be, even were the mass perfectly positionable
and able to tug the Moon into the desired orbit.

But never mind all that; I'm a Jewish naysayer, apparently. :-)

You've just proved that you are in fact a self certified Jewish
naysayer, at least by way of your naysay actions in support of all
that's Old Testament.

Of course I am. That is why I also say "nay" to the notion of
the Moon's lethality and to the sound-stage production facilities
that have long since been destroyed but filmed all of the Apollo
landings -- although for some reason they left out all of the stars.
Puzzling, especially since Star Trek had no difficulties putting
stars into shots of the Enterprise.



Bear also in mind that to Brad Luna is highly radioactive
("anti-cathode" is the term he uses), lethal to anyone
who steps thereonto, even in a NASA-style protective suit
(whose primary goals were pressurization and maybe thermal
insulation, and did not address the issue of radiation
AFAIK). Of course the Moon is lethal to anyone silly
enough to step outside *without* such a suit, but that's
a different issue -- and the Apollo astronauts were well
aware of that risk.

Now that's silly because, where's Venus and a good half dozen other
off-moon items hiding all of this EVA and orbital time?

Sheltered by the sound stage, of course. Did you really
expect NASA to use all of the technology available to
Star Trek's post-optical production crew? After all,
this is public money we're speaking of!



thirdly we should establish POOF City at VL2, and go on from there.

The Average Joe is kinda antipathetic about POOFs. It just won't go
over, politically.

I was under the impression that Brad wanted to structure
this as a purely commercial venture. The general idea was
to send a city/spacecraft into the Sun-Venus L2 point --
more or less in Venus's shadow, as it were -- and supply
it with pizza and beer. Paying passengers would then be
shuttled to this city, as a vacation destination; they
would be picked up on the next cycle out, which is about
19 months or so as Earth again overtakes Venus.

Stripped of the more obvious silliness (beer and pizza
isn't that nutritious!), it might work on its technical
merits. I don't know how many would actually buy a ticket
to his city, though. (At $100M per, not very many, even
were Brad's sales pitch perfect.)

We'll only need twelve dozen or so, as the initial investors/suckers
for this Venus L2 POOF City to work in the black. 14 billion in start
up loot that'll likely be matched or tripled by any number of
government funded considerations, should give POOF City a good shot.

Might not even take that much. Mariner 2 only cost about
$200 million in 1962, though in today's dollars it would
be more like $1 billion (of course that's for a single
rocket flyby of a spacecraft that might have weighed a few
kilograms), and it is far from clear that POOF-V1 would
require quite the monitoring that Mariner 2 had.

- Brad Guth



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On Aug 4, 6:07 pm, ah wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
On Jun 1, 6:45 pm, ah wrote:
Double-A wrote:
On May 30, 5:29 pm, ah wrote:
Double-A wrote:
On May 30, 3:08 am, ah wrote:
Double-A wrote:
On May 29, 7:44 pm, ah wrote:
Double-A wrote:
On May 29, 5:37 pm, ah wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
At losing 20.5 w/m2, Venus is still not the least bit too hot to touch
with theOvglove, much less of any problem for a composite rigid
airship.

Comparing Earth/Venus is not even a fair game, as to any half smart ET
village idiot, the planet Venus wins every time.

Too bad that Cambridge and the like are too mainstream snookered and
otherwise dumbfounded past the point of no return, as to know about
such things.

Too bad that ADOBE PhotoShop or the likes of digital photographic
enlargement alternatives that are even better, is still so taboo/
nondisclosure rated.

Too bad them pesky laws of physics and of whatever's the best
available science can't function off-world. I obviously didn't know
that such regular laws of physics and of whatever science were so
unusually terrestrial limited.
-
BradGuth
-
"whoever controls the past, controls the future" / George Orwell

On Apr 4, 5:07 pm, wrote:
As long as you don't run yourself out of ice cold beer and pizza, I
don't see all that much of a problem.

As long as you've got way more spare/renewable energy at your disposal
than you could possibly know what to do with, and having that nifty
thermal suit made byOvglove, where's the big-ass insurmountable
problem with taking that hot-foot of a toasty stroll onVenus?

CO2--CO/O2 is not hardly a technical problem, hasn't been for a good
decade or more.

Pure H2O as easily extracted from those somewhat cool nighttime acidic
clouds (above the S8 layer) is simply another mission positive win-
win.

The 65 kg/m3 worth of buoyancy as working along with the 90.5% gravity
is offering a couple of other nifty factors that'll work rather well
for your composite rigid airship (just like on behalf of those
Venusian composite rigid airships).

If you're any damn good at PhotoShop, goto:http://guthvenus.tripod.com/http://g...om/gv-town.htm
or best you start with your very own look-see at the following
official image site:http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif

The 36 look per pixel of that GIF image format starts getting
interesting at being 3X resampled, and then giving it all the best
PhotoShop or whatever else you can muster, although the original GIF
1:1 image was actually good enough for my PhotoShop configured brain
to deductively interpret upon what's most likely artificial as opposed
to what's perfectly natural. 36 looks per pixel is offering a lot of
truthworthy image data to start with, so it's a good one to stick with
rather than dealing with their individual 75 meter/pixel versions as
having combined but four looks per pixel.

Don't try to process the entire image unless you've got one heck of a
nifty PC or MAC. Try clipping out only the small portion of the total
image that's roughly a third up from the bottom and just to the right
of center, as we're talking about utilizing less than 10% or perhaps
even as little as 5% of that primary GIF image, and to process upon
just that much shouldn't traumatise your memory or performance PC or
MAC.

I'll review each of your results, that by rights should become a whole
lot better than mine. Obviously anyone can over/under force those
PhotoShop refinements, well past the point of no return, so don't do
that. My extremely old version of PhotoShop can't accomplish much
better than 8X resampling without losing ground, and besides, we don't
actually require much better than 6X for most others to see most
clearly what I'd interpreted from the original 1:1 format.

Thanks once again to 'tomcat' for also having posted this updated page
ofVenusimages.http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/th...humbnails.html

It's image No.17 from the top left being the one that so happens to
include the robust, sizable and somewhat complex community of 'GUTHVenus'.
"Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles,Venusfrom Magellan Cycle 1"http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.htm...
-BradGuth

Quiet, ko0k.

Quiet ko0k.

Quiet ko0k.

Quiet ko0k.

You are an AA sock, AICMF$!

Who you calling sock, sock?

You, you . . . you sock!

Sock it to me!

You just don't appreciate the gravity of the situation.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Perhaps gravity within certain mindsets doesn't really exist,
therefore the "gravity of the situation" doesn't exist.

It's a cliché, Brad.


I sock; you suck!

Double-A

On Aug 9, 7:34 pm, ah wrote:
Double-A wrote:
On Aug 4, 6:07 pm, ah wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
On Jun 1, 6:45 pm, ah wrote:
Double-A wrote:
On May 30, 5:29 pm, ah wrote:
Double-A wrote:
On May 30, 3:08 am, ah wrote:
Double-A wrote:
On May 29, 7:44 pm, ah wrote:
Double-A wrote:
On May 29, 5:37 pm, ah wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
At losing 20.5 w/m2, Venus is still not the least bit too hot to touch
with theOvglove, much less of any problem for a composite rigid
airship.

Comparing Earth/Venus is not even a fair game, as to any half smart ET
village idiot, the planet Venus wins every time.

Too bad that Cambridge and the like are too mainstream snookered and
otherwise dumbfounded past the point of no return, as to know about
such things.

Too bad that ADOBE PhotoShop or the likes of digital photographic
enlargement alternatives that are even better, is still so taboo/
nondisclosure rated.

Too bad them pesky laws of physics and of whatever's the best
available science can't function off-world. I obviously didn't know
that such regular laws of physics and of whatever science were so
unusually terrestrial limited.
-
BradGuth
-
"whoever controls the past, controls the future" / George Orwell

On Apr 4, 5:07 pm, wrote:
As long as you don't run yourself out of ice cold beer and pizza, I
don't see all that much of a problem.

As long as you've got way more spare/renewable energy at your disposal
than you could possibly know what to do with, and having that nifty
thermal suit made byOvglove, where's the big-ass insurmountable
problem with taking that hot-foot of a toasty stroll onVenus?

CO2--CO/O2 is not hardly a technical problem, hasn't been for a good
decade or more.

Pure H2O as easily extracted from those somewhat cool nighttime acidic
clouds (above the S8 layer) is simply another mission positive win-
win.

The 65 kg/m3 worth of buoyancy as working along with the 90.5% gravity
is offering a couple of other nifty factors that'll work rather well
for your composite rigid airship (just like on behalf of those
Venusian composite rigid airships).

If you're any damn good at PhotoShop, goto:http://guthvenus.tripod.com/http://g...om/gv-town.htm
or best you start with your very own look-see at the following
official image site:http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif

The 36 look per pixel of that GIF image format starts getting
interesting at being 3X resampled, and then giving it all the best
PhotoShop or whatever else you can muster, although the original GIF
1:1 image was actually good enough for my PhotoShop configured brain
to deductively interpret upon what's most likely artificial as opposed
to what's perfectly natural. 36 looks per pixel is offering a lot of
truthworthy image data to start with, so it's a good one to stick with
rather than dealing with their individual 75 meter/pixel versions as
having combined but four looks per pixel.

Don't try to process the entire image unless you've got one heck of a
nifty PC or MAC. Try clipping out only the small portion of the total
image that's roughly a third up from the bottom and just to the right
of center, as we're talking about utilizing less than 10% or perhaps
even as little as 5% of that primary GIF image, and to process upon
just that much shouldn't traumatise your memory or performance PC or
MAC.

I'll review each of your results, that by rights should become a whole
lot better than mine. Obviously anyone can over/under force those
PhotoShop refinements, well past the point of no return, so don't do
that. My extremely old version of PhotoShop can't accomplish much
better than 8X resampling without losing ground, and besides, we don't
actually require much better than 6X for most others to see most
clearly what I'd interpreted from the original 1:1 format.

Thanks once again to 'tomcat' for also having posted this updated page
ofVenusimages.http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/th...humbnails.html

It's image No.17 from the top left being the one that so happens to
include the robust, sizable and somewhat complex community of 'GUTHVenus'.
"Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles,Venusfrom Magellan Cycle 1"http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.htm....
-BradGuth

Quiet, ko0k.

Quiet ko0k.

Quiet ko0k.

Quiet ko0k.

You are an AA sock, AICMF$!

Who you calling sock, sock?

You, you . . . you sock!

Sock it to me!

You just don't appreciate the gravity of the situation.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Perhaps gravity within certain mindsets doesn't really exist,
therefore the "gravity of the situation" doesn't exist.

It's a cliché, Brad.

I sock; you suck!

MBB, eh.


You do?

Double-A

Double-A wrote:
On Aug 4, 6:07 pm, ah wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
On Jun 1, 6:45 pm, ah wrote:
Double-A wrote:
On May 30, 5:29 pm, ah wrote:
Double-A wrote:
On May 30, 3:08 am, ah wrote:
Double-A wrote:
On May 29, 7:44 pm, ah wrote:
Double-A wrote:
On May 29, 5:37 pm, ah wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
At losing 20.5 w/m2, Venus is still not the least bit too hot to touch
with theOvglove, much less of any problem for a composite rigid
airship.

Comparing Earth/Venus is not even a fair game, as to any half smart ET
village idiot, the planet Venus wins every time.

Too bad that Cambridge and the like are too mainstream snookered and
otherwise dumbfounded past the point of no return, as to know about
such things.

Too bad that ADOBE PhotoShop or the likes of digital photographic
enlargement alternatives that are even better, is still so taboo/
nondisclosure rated.

Too bad them pesky laws of physics and of whatever's the best
available science can't function off-world. I obviously didn't know
that such regular laws of physics and of whatever science were so
unusually terrestrial limited.
-
BradGuth
-
"whoever controls the past, controls the future" / George Orwell

On Apr 4, 5:07 pm, wrote:
As long as you don't run yourself out of ice cold beer and pizza, I
don't see all that much of a problem.

As long as you've got way more spare/renewable energy at your disposal
than you could possibly know what to do with, and having that nifty
thermal suit made byOvglove, where's the big-ass insurmountable
problem with taking that hot-foot of a toasty stroll onVenus?

CO2--CO/O2 is not hardly a technical problem, hasn't been for a good
decade or more.

Pure H2O as easily extracted from those somewhat cool nighttime acidic
clouds (above the S8 layer) is simply another mission positive win-
win.

The 65 kg/m3 worth of buoyancy as working along with the 90.5% gravity
is offering a couple of other nifty factors that'll work rather well
for your composite rigid airship (just like on behalf of those
Venusian composite rigid airships).

If you're any damn good at PhotoShop, goto:http://guthvenus.tripod.com/http://g...om/gv-town.htm
or best you start with your very own look-see at the following
official image site:http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif

The 36 look per pixel of that GIF image format starts getting
interesting at being 3X resampled, and then giving it all the best
PhotoShop or whatever else you can muster, although the original GIF
1:1 image was actually good enough for my PhotoShop configured brain
to deductively interpret upon what's most likely artificial as opposed
to what's perfectly natural. 36 looks per pixel is offering a lot of
truthworthy image data to start with, so it's a good one to stick with
rather than dealing with their individual 75 meter/pixel versions as
having combined but four looks per pixel.

Don't try to process the entire image unless you've got one heck of a
nifty PC or MAC. Try clipping out only the small portion of the total
image that's roughly a third up from the bottom and just to the right
of center, as we're talking about utilizing less than 10% or perhaps
even as little as 5% of that primary GIF image, and to process upon
just that much shouldn't traumatise your memory or performance PC or
MAC.

I'll review each of your results, that by rights should become a whole
lot better than mine. Obviously anyone can over/under force those
PhotoShop refinements, well past the point of no return, so don't do
that. My extremely old version of PhotoShop can't accomplish much
better than 8X resampling without losing ground, and besides, we don't
actually require much better than 6X for most others to see most
clearly what I'd interpreted from the original 1:1 format.

Thanks once again to 'tomcat' for also having posted this updated page
ofVenusimages.http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/th...humbnails.html

It's image No.17 from the top left being the one that so happens to
include the robust, sizable and somewhat complex community of 'GUTHVenus'.
"Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles,Venusfrom Magellan Cycle 1"http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.htm...
-BradGuth

Quiet, ko0k.

Quiet ko0k.

Quiet ko0k.

Quiet ko0k.

You are an AA sock, AICMF$!

Who you calling sock, sock?

You, you . . . you sock!

Sock it to me!

You just don't appreciate the gravity of the situation.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Perhaps gravity within certain mindsets doesn't really exist,
therefore the "gravity of the situation" doesn't exist.

It's a cliché, Brad.


I sock; you suck!

MBB, eh.