Elon Musk wants to put millions of people on Mars.

I'll Put Millions of People on Mars, says Elon Musk.
posted Dec 22, 2011 9:10 PM by Michael Stoltz [ updated Dec 22, 2011
9:29 PM ] By Greg Klerkx, New Scientist, 12.22.11
http://www.marssociety.org/home/pres...rssayselonmusk

In the article Elon says that if SpaceX succeeds at reusable rockets
at the price of $100 to $200 per kg range, then he can get the mission
to Mars at $5 billion:

Quote
Musk is eventually hoping to build this kind of reusability into
SpaceX's newest launch vehicle, the Falcon Heavy. Scheduled for
testing in early 2013, Falcon Heavy will be the largest rocket flown
since NASA's Saturn V launched astronauts to the moon. Musk says that
a reusable version of the rocket could deliver a payload of up to 15
tonnes to Mars at a cost of $100 to $200 per kilogram. That makes his
$5 billion humans-to-Mars price tag seem realistic. Even so, the
Falcon Heavy would need to be "heavier" still to carry the minimum 50-
tonne payload needed for a Mars mission. But Musk, whose title at
SpaceX is CEO and chief technology officer, is working on that too./
Quote

Elon also reiterates his stance, that I agree with, about the
importance of achieving reusability in spaceflight:

Quote
At no point in our discussions does he withdraw or alter his 10 to 20
year time-frame for Mars. Even at the far end of that range, Musk
would be only 60 when the first Martian expedition launched. Would he
consider going on that first trip? "If someone had solved the rapidly
reusable launch system problem, then yes, I'd definitely go," he says.
"But if it were simply a one-time flight, then no, because I'd need to
stay and keep at the challenge with SpaceX. It is too important. This
is something that I'm in for the long haul."/Quote


Bob Clark

On Dec 31, 4:00*pm, Robert Clark wrote:
I'll Put Millions of People on Mars, says Elon Musk.
posted Dec 22, 2011 9:10 PM by Michael Stoltz [ updated Dec 22, 2011
9:29 PM ] By Greg Klerkx, New Scientist, 12.22.11http://www.marssociety.org/home/press/news/illputmillionsofpeopleonma...

*In the article Elon says that if SpaceX succeeds at reusable rockets
at the price of $100 to $200 per kg range, then he can get the mission
to Mars at $5 billion:

Quote
Musk is eventually hoping to build this kind of reusability into
SpaceX's newest launch vehicle, the Falcon Heavy. Scheduled for
testing in early 2013, Falcon Heavy will be the largest rocket flown
since NASA's Saturn V launched astronauts to the moon. Musk says that
a reusable version of the rocket could deliver a payload of up to 15
tonnes to Mars at a cost of $100 to $200 per kilogram. That makes his
$5 billion humans-to-Mars price tag seem realistic. Even so, the
Falcon Heavy would need to be "heavier" still to carry the minimum 50-
tonne payload needed for a Mars mission. But Musk, whose title at
SpaceX is CEO and chief technology officer, is working on that too./
Quote

Elon also reiterates his stance, that I agree with, about the
importance of achieving reusability in spaceflight:

Quote
At no point in our discussions does he withdraw or alter his 10 to 20
year time-frame for Mars. Even at the far end of that range, Musk
would be only 60 when the first Martian expedition launched. Would he
consider going on that first trip? "If someone had solved the rapidly
reusable launch system problem, then yes, I'd definitely go," he says.
"But if it were simply a one-time flight, then no, because I'd need to
stay and keep at the challenge with SpaceX. It is too important. This
is something that I'm in for the long haul."/Quote

* * *Bob Clark

Perhaps. Now lets muse on the nature of the cities of Mars. They'd be
underground
and go deeper as the colony developed. Raising food, expanding living
room,
making Mars suits, processing oxygen, nitrogen, CO2, H2O, and O2 would
all be
needed. One might wonder if there would be a star wars project for the
incoming
of creation.

The surface would have only limited first glove human presence. Much
even most
would be my remotes perhaps in the form of some them in human-form
remote
mechs.

Long lasting chemicals and drugs would have to isolated from the
biosphere
as it would be smaller and more prone to contamination.

Local manufacture and local resources would have a high priority.
With the goal of making exchanges based in intangibles and light
tangibles.

And given that Mars in a shallower gravity well, its population would
if
given the resources more outward looking.

It would be of interest on how much weaker the human might be from
low gravity? Perhaps the human will gentically tailored?

Then there is of what for Mars is the critical mass so to speak for
a growing self competent/viable society? For one that can grow,
for one that can reach again to the stars, for one that can tread
water?

if it can happen, it might
happen....................................Trig

On Dec 31 2011, 8:28*pm, |"
wrote:
On Dec 31, 4:00*pm, Robert Clark wrote:









I'll Put Millions of People on Mars, says Elon Musk.
posted Dec 22, 2011 9:10 PM by Michael Stoltz [ updated Dec 22, 2011
9:29 PM ] By Greg Klerkx, New Scientist, 12.22.11http://www.marssociety..org/home/press/news/illputmillionsofpeopleonma...

*In the article Elon says that if SpaceX succeeds at reusable rockets
at the price of $100 to $200 per kg range, then he can get the mission
to Mars at $5 billion:

Quote
Musk is eventually hoping to build this kind of reusability into
SpaceX's newest launch vehicle, the Falcon Heavy. Scheduled for
testing in early 2013, Falcon Heavy will be the largest rocket flown
since NASA's Saturn V launched astronauts to the moon. Musk says that
a reusable version of the rocket could deliver a payload of up to 15
tonnes to Mars at a cost of $100 to $200 per kilogram. That makes his
$5 billion humans-to-Mars price tag seem realistic. Even so, the
Falcon Heavy would need to be "heavier" still to carry the minimum 50-
tonne payload needed for a Mars mission. But Musk, whose title at
SpaceX is CEO and chief technology officer, is working on that too./
Quote

Elon also reiterates his stance, that I agree with, about the
importance of achieving reusability in spaceflight:

Quote
At no point in our discussions does he withdraw or alter his 10 to 20
year time-frame for Mars. Even at the far end of that range, Musk
would be only 60 when the first Martian expedition launched. Would he
consider going on that first trip? "If someone had solved the rapidly
reusable launch system problem, then yes, I'd definitely go," he says.
"But if it were simply a one-time flight, then no, because I'd need to
stay and keep at the challenge with SpaceX. It is too important. This
is something that I'm in for the long haul."/Quote

* * *Bob Clark

Perhaps. Now lets muse on the nature of the cities of Mars. They'd be
underground
and go deeper as the colony developed. Raising food, expanding living
room,
making Mars suits, processing oxygen, nitrogen, CO2, H2O, and O2 would
all be
needed. One might wonder if there would be a star wars project for the
incoming
of creation.

The surface would have only limited first glove human presence. Much
even most
would be my remotes perhaps in the form of some them in human-form
remote
mechs.

Long lasting chemicals and drugs would have to isolated from the
biosphere
as it would be smaller and more prone to contamination.

Local manufacture and local resources would have a high priority.
With the goal of making exchanges based in intangibles and light
tangibles.

And given that Mars in a shallower gravity well, its population would
if
given the resources more outward looking.

It would be of interest on how much weaker the human might be from
low gravity? Perhaps the human will gentically tailored?

Then there is of what for Mars is the critical mass so to speak for
a growing self competent/viable society? For one that can grow,
for one that can reach again to the stars, for one that can tread
water?

if it can happen, it might
happen....................................Trig

It seems the usenet is well past both its golden and silver ages.
And is down to the iron and clay
age.................................Trig

Perhaps. Now lets muse on the nature of the cities of Mars. They'd be
underground
and go deeper as the colony developed. Raising food, expanding living
room,
making Mars suits, processing oxygen, nitrogen, CO2, H2O, and O2 would
all be
needed. One might wonder if there would be a star wars project for the
incoming
of creation.

Let's not forget that for 1 million people of evenly distributed sex
under the age of 50 there is going to be around 500 tons of **** and
2 million liters of **** to dispose of each day, plus a requirement for
the manufacture and subsequent disposal of 2 to 5 million tampons per
month.

Of course in sci-fi fantasies no one has to go to the bathroom and
women don't have menstrual cycles.




--
Jim Pennino

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On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 05:26:00 -0000, wrote:

Let's not forget that for 1 million people of evenly distributed sex
under the age of 50 there is going to be around 500 tons of **** and
2 million liters of **** to dispose of each day, plus a requirement for
the manufacture and subsequent disposal of 2 to 5 million tampons per
month.

Of course in sci-fi fantasies no one has to go to the bathroom and
women don't have menstrual cycles. How do I know? See my sig.

--
Jim Pennino "Menstrual Blood Gurgling Vampire"

Kewl!

On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 18:40:03 -0500, george152 wrote:

On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 05:26:00 -0000, wrote:

Let's not forget that for 1 million people of evenly distributed sex
under the age of 50 there is going to be around 500 tons of **** and
2 million liters of **** to dispose of each day, plus a requirement for
the manufacture and subsequent disposal of 2 to 5 million tampons per
month.

Of course in sci-fi fantasies no one has to go to the bathroom and
women don't have menstrual cycles. How do I know? See my sig.

--
Jim Pennino "Menstrual Blood Gurgling Vampire"

Kewl!

Thanks, Jim, for that load of overinfo.

In sci.physics VOR DME wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 18:40:03 -0500, george152 wrote:

On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 05:26:00 -0000, wrote:

Let's not forget that for 1 million people of evenly distributed sex
under the age of 50 there is going to be around 500 tons of **** and
2 million liters of **** to dispose of each day, plus a requirement for
the manufacture and subsequent disposal of 2 to 5 million tampons per
month.

Of course in sci-fi fantasies no one has to go to the bathroom and
women don't have menstrual cycles. How do I know? See my sig.

--
Jim Pennino "Menstrual Blood Gurgling Vampire"

Kewl!

Thanks, Jim, for that load of overinfo.

You are commenting on an altered post.

Anyway, for the space cadets too dense to get the point, any significant
population requires a significant infrastructure to support basic human
biological requirements.


--
Jim Pennino

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On 1/01/2012 11:00 AM, Robert Clark wrote:
I'll Put Millions of People on Mars, says Elon Musk.


Why?

More specifically, will those people pay their own way, or will the
people who stay on Earth have to chip in? In the latter case, what
benefit do the stay-at-homes get that justifies the expenditure.

Sylvia.

On Jan 2, 8:18*pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 1/01/2012 11:00 AM, Robert Clark wrote:

I'll Put Millions of People on Mars, says Elon Musk.

Why?

More specifically, will those people pay their own way, or will the
people who stay on Earth have to chip in? In the latter case, what
benefit do the stay-at-homes get that justifies the expenditure.

Sylvia.

Spot on points.

Would the shallower gravity well permit a more effective earth defense
from
incoming?

Would the pioneers find exo-life that could be shipped to Earth
without
an eco crash? A robot might do the same.

Why would I want to live in a colony? It would have to be independent
at
a primary basis from Earth. Who on Earth need or could benefit from
low gravity? If there any such maybe they would pay to be transported.
Does Mars offer anything for the individual?

Maybe Mars would be the place to build nuclear spacecraft?
But that only begs the question to be repeated.

Perhaps the return trip will be cheaper and concentrated resources
might pass muster as payment to Earth for its investment?
The shallower gravity well again so maybe.
What is available as a resource? What is needed here on
this planet?
Bury me in the good earth of Earth in a pine box.................Trig

"Robert Clark" wrote in message
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I'll Put Millions of People on Mars, says Elon Musk.
posted Dec 22, 2011 9:10 PM by Michael Stoltz [ updated Dec 22, 2011
9:29 PM ] By Greg Klerkx, New Scientist, 12.22.11

http://www.marssociety.org/home/pres...pleonmarssayse
lonmusk

In the article Elon says that if SpaceX succeeds at reusable rockets
at the price of $100 to $200 per kg range, then he can get the mission
to Mars at $5 billion:

Quote
Musk is eventually hoping to build this kind of reusability into
SpaceX's newest launch vehicle, the Falcon Heavy. Scheduled for
testing in early 2013, Falcon Heavy will be the largest rocket flown
since NASA's Saturn V launched astronauts to the moon. Musk says that
a reusable version of the rocket could deliver a payload of up to 15
tonnes to Mars at a cost of $100 to $200 per kilogram. That makes his
$5 billion humans-to-Mars price tag seem realistic. Even so, the
Falcon Heavy would need to be "heavier" still to carry the minimum 50-
tonne payload needed for a Mars mission. But Musk, whose title at
SpaceX is CEO and chief technology officer, is working on that too./
Quote

Elon also reiterates his stance, that I agree with, about the
importance of achieving reusability in spaceflight:

Quote
At no point in our discussions does he withdraw or alter his 10 to 20
year time-frame for Mars. Even at the far end of that range, Musk
would be only 60 when the first Martian expedition launched. Would he
consider going on that first trip? "If someone had solved the rapidly
reusable launch system problem, then yes, I'd definitely go," he says.
"But if it were simply a one-time flight, then no, because I'd need to
stay and keep at the challenge with SpaceX. It is too important. This
is something that I'm in for the long haul."/Quote


Bob Clark

And it's comments like this that earn Musk the reputation of being a
"wild-eyed amateur rocket boy" (to quote one Congresscritter when CCDev was
first announced). There's nothing wrong with dreaming big, that's what
America's all about, but in this case....he's way, way, way, ahead of
himself. What he needs to do is get his COTS service going, then have crewed
demonstration flights with Dragon, and start putting people up. Otherwise,
all Musk has done, other than a flight with a boilerplate Dragon, is talk.
Sort of like that "retiring on Mars" crap he said a couple years ago.....