Faith Based Scientists Paranoid About Possible Mars Life

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I hope I live long enough to see the religious reaction to the almost
inevitable discovery of life outside out planet. Their "holy
books" will need a certain amount of revision.

I remember being told that God would never allow man to land on the moon.
The reason why was never clear to me. Something about dispoiling his
heaven.

Of course, when man then did land on the moon, they changed their story
and now insist that the claims were never made.

Never underestimate human ignorance and deceit.

"Doc" wrote
ok you dont like religion but u dont need to insult it like that

Religion is for inferior minds, and the intellecutally corrupt.

"Rand Simberg" wrote
The Church certainly doesn't believe that the Genesis
story has to be revised, just because we've found that it's off by
several billion years.

Which Church? The most popular AmeriKKKan Christian churches teach that
the Bible is the infallable word of Gawd and that the earth is only 6,000
years old.

Seriously. A third of AmeriKKKans are seriously ****ed in the head.

"Scott Hedrick" wrote
ROddy McDowell played a great priest
trying to convert the Martians.

Convert them into what? Soup? Soap? Soilent Green?

Did he succeed?

Wasn't this a failed TV mini-series?

"Sylvia Else" wrote
Get samples back to Earth, and examine their reproductive material,
though, and the RTB bunch may have something to worry about.

Lets leave the Martian gonads out of the conversation please.

"kT" wrote
I'm fairly confident we can write off the bible as gospel crowd already.

Extrermination is required.

God wrote:

It is now pretty self evident that there is considerable liquid water
below the surface of Mars,

Not by a long shot... although there might be considerable liquid CO2
below the surface of Mars.
To get the liquid water concept to work, the water must either have
something like antifreeze in it, or there must be a subsurface source of
heat, such as vulcanism.
We've detected no present vulcanism or seismic activity. The lack of a
magnetic field suggests that it's solid all the way through, and with no
molten core you have no diapirs of molten material rising toward the
surface, and no vulcanism.
So its internal temperature will be near its average surface
temperature, -63 C.
With the pressure of overlying rock and soil on it, this is just the
right temperature you need for liquid CO2 to form from solid dry ice
during the warm Martian summer days at mid latitudes:
http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek...se_diagram.gif

Pat

God wrote:
It is now pretty self evident that there is considerable liquid water
below the surface of Mars,

"Pat Flannery" wrote
Not by a long shot... although there might be considerable liquid CO2
below the surface of Mars.
To get the liquid water concept to work, the water must either have
something like antifreeze in it, or there must be a subsurface source of
heat, such as vulcanism.

Ya, that's what used to be taught. But now that evidence of liquids
running down the interior sunlit sides of martian craters has become
commonplace, and now that such flows have been seen to have evolved over
just a few years of observation, it is pretty clear that lquid water is
present in the subsurface soil.

Most probably brine. Maybe H2O2

It's easy enough to check. And probably would have been checked already if
billions weren't wasted on the Shuttle/ISS White Elephants.

I wouldn't blame 'em. Poor little *******s are about to have something
they have spent so long trying to believe just collapse. It's not their
fault they didn't know better, I blame our ignorant unevolved
ancestors! Some kinds of tradition just aren't healthy.

"kT" wrote in message


I see that our extensively faith-based Usenet index has managed to lock
out as much user friendly search features that pertains to Brad Guth, at
least as much as possible has been accomplished without terminating
their ongoing Old Testament thumping ruse/sting of the century.

I agree with the likes of "jack.harrison", and of others like "Z 1 Y 0 N
3 X" that can give and take without going absolutely postal.

If you believe Christ and perhaps a few of those intelligent and
otherwise affordably nice Cathars were ETs, or at least having been
close friends with ETs, as I do, then so what's the difference?

I'm certain enough that ETs have evolved along with a faith in something
greater than themselves. Of course, this might suggest that such ETs
were at least part Jewish, and wouldn't that be the ultimate kicker.

Faith-based science (especially if it's born again) is what absolutely
sucks and blows the most, because, it simply can't be replicated any
better off than cold-fusion or the supposed discovery of Muslim WMD.
Instead, all we seem to get is their usual all-or nothing gauntlet of
mostly "send in the clowns":

In case you folks haven't quite noticed, the old "Moon Landing a
Hoax??!! Real Evidence here" topic is just another prime
damage-control example of their intended ruse/sting of our mutually
perpetrated cold-war century, that has recently turned itself into a
global energy domination fiasco which isn't about to end until our
energy sucking fat lady sings, or otherwise as long as we're in the
process of taking as much Muslim oil as we can before they ever manage
to realize just how dumb and dumber Muslims and Islamics have been
snookered all along.

Fortunately for Venus, there's simply no apparent shortage of locally
available energy, that's not only geothermally renewable but far more
accessible than here on Earth.

Actual facts as based upon actual history is what supersedes science.

However, nothing supersedes the laws of physics.

Ever since I started in as of 7+ years ago, with the
discovery/uncovering of intelligent other life having existed/coexisted
on Venus, it seems Venus has been getting more and more
taboo/nondisclosure worthy than our moon. This is rather odd, being
that there's nothing all that technically insurmountable about Venus,
and at times it's so nearby with the very same moon like face of Venus
aligned with Earth.

However, on behalf of our sticking much closer to our home world that's
within the unfortunate process of going GW postal, and otherwise going
GW Bush postal; If you are surrounded by the bare minimum of 3.14e6 m2
of somewhat significant mass (especially if it's of greater density than
water), and if there's next to nothing between yourself and all of that
surrounding terrain of naked mass (such as being situated upon our
physically dark moon that should by rights be deep in meteorite debris
and secondary impact shards of everything solar and cosmic you can think
of, including the kitchen sink), whereas the incoming solar and cosmic
energy (as often nasty as that may be) is going to unavoidably cause the
natural secondary/recoil birth of soft-X-rays, hard-X-rays and gamma
radiation like nowhere other.

Human DNA as physically protected by a given spacesuit isn't going to
buy all that much attenuation of said TBI(total body irradiation)
dosage, whereas DNA/RNA damage beyond the point of no return will in
short order transpire regardless of whatever infomercial mainstream
science as based upon those conditional laws of physics has to say. The
status quo of what we've been told will NOT save your sorry moonsuit
butt for long, especially if you're standing upon a modus hill and
thereby exposed to 314e6 m2 if not just as easily trekking upon much
higher terrain that'll buy you 31.4e9 m2 of what's surrounding as
physically hot and nasty in more ways than being merely passive solar
influx and secondary IR/FIR toasty. Therefore, you simply do not
require all that much lethal radiation potential as derived per m2 in
order to amount to getting nailed by a truly great deal of what's there
to behold.

Other than those temporary Chapel Bell deployments on behalf of our
NASA/Apollo fiasco, too bad we still have not so much as once
established a robotic science platform cruising efficiently within the
interactive MEL1/(moon L1) zone that's roughly upon average 58,000 km
from the moon's CG, whereas all sorts of moon and Earth science could
have been affordably and very nicely accomplished as of four decades
ago.

Much like a poofy version of Clarke Station, Bigelow’s proposed Nautilus
station (aka POOF) simply isn't sufficiently shielded nor configured
with an adequate amount of forced heat-exchanging in order to deal with
accommodating us humans along with the 95+% solar + 50% lunar
secondary/recoil of IR/FIR. However, Venus L2 offers quite another
matter that's worth more than a few good arguments on behalf of those
POOF configured space depots, whereas frail human DNA can actually
survive the 19 month onboard stint better off than the to/from commute.
-
Brad Guth


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