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SpaceX Falcon 1 Mass Budget
I'm trying to guesstimate the mass budget for a
Falcon 1. Public information seems to be limited at the moment, especially since SpaceX has removed its Falcon 1 payload users guide from its web site. I'm wondering if anyone has the information on-hand. But I did download a copy of the guide last year. From it, from information still on the SpaceX web site, and from old news clippings, I have found the following information. Vehicle total mass: 27.2 tonnes Stage 1 Sea Level Thrust: 34.92 tonnes Stage 1 Vacuum Thrust: 41.72 tonnes Stage 2 Vacuum Thrust: 3.175 tonnes Acceleration at Stage 1 Burnout: 6.5 g Acceleration at Stage 2 Ignition: 0.65 g Acceleration at Stage 2 Burnout: 4.5 g Payload to 200 km x 28.5 deg LEO: 0.57 tonnes Claimed Stage 1 Mass Fraction Goal: 94% Claimed Stage 2 Mass Fraction Goal: 91% Payoad fairing separation occurs after Stage 2 ignition. The acceleration data was provided without specifying the assumed payload mass, and the payload fairing mass is unknown. So I have a problem with too many unknowns to provide absolute answers. If I guess 0.35 tonnes for both the payload fairing and the modeled payload used to provide the acceleration numbers, I get the following results. Stage 1 Mass at Liftoff: 22.315 tonnes Stage 1 Mass at Burnout: 1.533 tonnes Stage 2 Mass at Ignition: 3.965 tonnes Stage 2 Mass at Burnout: 0.357 tonnes Payload Fairing Mass: 0.35 tonnes This provides a 93% Stage 1 mass fraction and a 91% Stage 2 mass fraction. The Stage 1 fraction seems believable because SpaceX ended up with a heavier Merlin than originally planned, according to updates on the SpaceX web site. But there is a great deal of uncertainty in these numbers. A different payload mass assumption would drive second stage mass above 4 tonnes, for example. Does anyone have better numbers? - Ed Kyle |
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Ed Kyle wrote: I'm trying to guesstimate the mass budget for a Falcon 1. Public information seems to be limited at the moment, especially since SpaceX has removed its Falcon 1 payload users guide from its web site. I'm wondering if anyone has the information on-hand. But I did download a copy of the guide last year. From it, from information still on the SpaceX web site, and from old news clippings, I have found the following information. Vehicle total mass: 27.2 tonnes Stage 1 Sea Level Thrust: 34.92 tonnes Stage 1 Vacuum Thrust: 41.72 tonnes Stage 2 Vacuum Thrust: 3.175 tonnes Acceleration at Stage 1 Burnout: 6.5 g Acceleration at Stage 2 Ignition: 0.65 g Acceleration at Stage 2 Burnout: 4.5 g Payload to 200 km x 28.5 deg LEO: 0.57 tonnes Claimed Stage 1 Mass Fraction Goal: 94% Claimed Stage 2 Mass Fraction Goal: 91% Payoad fairing separation occurs after Stage 2 ignition. The acceleration data was provided without specifying the assumed payload mass, and the payload fairing mass is unknown. So I have a problem with too many unknowns to provide absolute answers. If I guess 0.35 tonnes for both the payload fairing and the modeled payload used to provide the acceleration numbers, I get the following results. Stage 1 Mass at Liftoff: 22.315 tonnes Stage 1 Mass at Burnout: 1.533 tonnes Stage 2 Mass at Ignition: 3.965 tonnes Stage 2 Mass at Burnout: 0.357 tonnes Payload Fairing Mass: 0.35 tonnes This provides a 93% Stage 1 mass fraction and a 91% Stage 2 mass fraction. The Stage 1 fraction seems believable because SpaceX ended up with a heavier Merlin than originally planned, according to updates on the SpaceX web site. But there is a great deal of uncertainty in these numbers. A different payload mass assumption would drive second stage mass above 4 tonnes, for example. Does anyone have better numbers? - Ed Kyle I just noticed an interesting omission--although all the falcon 1 pics on SpaceX's website show the fuel line from the lower stage tank (I assume it's kersosene on top), none of the Falcon 5 or Falcon 9 pics have that 'detail'. The fuel (or LOX?) either magically gets down to the engines or runs internally. hmm. I wonder if it's because that decision actually hasn't been made yet or if it means anything at all? Also, the fact that Musk put such a small LOX generator on Omelek makes me wonder if he's actually much more hesitent to put up the money for Falcon 9 than he was for Falcon 1. Maybe he got burned so far? Tom |
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In sci.space.tech Tom Cuddihy wrote:
Also, the fact that Musk put such a small LOX generator on Omelek makes me wonder if he's actually much more hesitent to put up the money for Falcon 9 than he was for Falcon 1. Maybe he got burned so far? Or he doesn't plan on all that many launches from Omelek? rick jones -- firebug n, the idiot who tosses a lit cigarette out his car window these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH... |
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Also, the fact that Musk put such a small LOX generator on Omelek makes
me wonder if he's actually much more hesitent to put up the money for Falcon 9 than he was for Falcon 1. Maybe he got burned so far? The "small" LOX plant at Omelek is supposed to make about one ton per day. That seems to be a pretty big LOX plant. That would support more than one falcon 1 a month. It makes no sense to put in a larger plant, until there is a larger need. Paul |
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Rick Jones wrote: In sci.space.tech Tom Cuddihy wrote: Also, the fact that Musk put such a small LOX generator on Omelek makes me wonder if he's actually much more hesitent to put up the money for Falcon 9 than he was for Falcon 1. Maybe he got burned so far? Or he doesn't plan on all that many launches from Omelek? rick jones -- firebug n, the idiot who tosses a lit cigarette out his car window these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH... The first one's supposed to launch from there. |
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Rick Jones wrote: In sci.space.tech Tom Cuddihy wrote: Also, the fact that Musk put such a small LOX generator on Omelek makes me wonder if he's actually much more hesitent to put up the money for Falcon 9 than he was for Falcon 1. Maybe he got burned so far? Or he doesn't plan on all that many launches from Omelek? Exactly. Commercial operations there would be a pain the ass. |
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