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SpaceX Falcon 1 Mass Budget
I'm trying to guesstimate the mass budget for a
Falcon 1. Public information seems to be limited at the moment, especially since SpaceX has removed its Falcon 1 payload users guide from its web site. I'm wondering if anyone has the information on-hand. But I did download a copy of the guide last year. From it, from information still on the SpaceX web site, and from old news clippings, I have found the following information. Vehicle total mass: 27.2 tonnes Stage 1 Sea Level Thrust: 34.92 tonnes Stage 1 Vacuum Thrust: 41.72 tonnes Stage 2 Vacuum Thrust: 3.175 tonnes Acceleration at Stage 1 Burnout: 6.5 g Acceleration at Stage 2 Ignition: 0.65 g Acceleration at Stage 2 Burnout: 4.5 g Payload to 200 km x 28.5 deg LEO: 0.57 tonnes Claimed Stage 1 Mass Fraction Goal: 94% Claimed Stage 2 Mass Fraction Goal: 91% Payoad fairing separation occurs after Stage 2 ignition. The acceleration data was provided without specifying the assumed payload mass, and the payload fairing mass is unknown. So I have a problem with too many unknowns to provide absolute answers. If I guess 0.35 tonnes for both the payload fairing and the modeled payload used to provide the acceleration numbers, I get the following results. Stage 1 Mass at Liftoff: 22.315 tonnes Stage 1 Mass at Burnout: 1.533 tonnes Stage 2 Mass at Ignition: 3.965 tonnes Stage 2 Mass at Burnout: 0.357 tonnes Payload Fairing Mass: 0.35 tonnes This provides a 93% Stage 1 mass fraction and a 91% Stage 2 mass fraction. The Stage 1 fraction seems believable because SpaceX ended up with a heavier Merlin than originally planned, according to updates on the SpaceX web site. But there is a great deal of uncertainty in these numbers. A different payload mass assumption would drive second stage mass above 4 tonnes, for example. Does anyone have better numbers? - Ed Kyle |
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In article .com,
Ed Kyle wrote: ...I get the following results. Stage 1 Mass at Liftoff: 22.315 tonnes Stage 1 Mass at Burnout: 1.533 tonnes Stage 2 Mass at Ignition: 3.965 tonnes Stage 2 Mass at Burnout: 0.357 tonnes Payload Fairing Mass: 0.35 tonnes Isakowitz4 says Stage 1 is 22388kg gross, 1296kg dry, propellant mass fraction 0.94, and Stage 2 is 3745kg, 360kg, 0.91. Those are stages only, no payload or fairing, and there is no number quoted for burnout mass (which typically differs from dry mass because of propellant residuals and such). It gives fairing dimensions but lists fairing mass as "?". -- spsystems.net is temporarily off the air; | Henry Spencer mail to henry at zoo.utoronto.ca instead. | |
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Henry Spencer wrote: In article .com, Ed Kyle wrote: ...I get the following results. Stage 1 Mass at Liftoff: 22.315 tonnes Stage 1 Mass at Burnout: 1.533 tonnes Stage 2 Mass at Ignition: 3.965 tonnes Stage 2 Mass at Burnout: 0.357 tonnes Payload Fairing Mass: 0.35 tonnes Isakowitz4 says Stage 1 is 22388kg gross, 1296kg dry, propellant mass fraction 0.94, and Stage 2 is 3745kg, 360kg, 0.91. Those are stages only, no payload or fairing, and there is no number quoted for burnout mass (which typically differs from dry mass because of propellant residuals and such). It gives fairing dimensions but lists fairing mass as "?". The Isakowitz4 numbers seem to work with the acceleration data provided in the Falcon user's guide if you assume a "nominal" 350 kg payload mass and a payload fairing mass of something like 440 kg. I don't have a good "feel" for fairing masses, but 440 kg seems to be in the ballpark. The fairing appears to be of aluminum with a cork ablator, a diameter of 1.5 meters, and an overall length of 3.5 meters. - Ed Kyle |
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SpaceX Falcon 1 Mass Budget
Ed Kyle wrote: I'm trying to guesstimate the mass budget for a Falcon 1. Public information seems to be limited at the moment, especially since SpaceX has removed its Falcon 1 payload users guide from its web site. I'm wondering if anyone has the information on-hand. But I did download a copy of the guide last year. From it, from information still on the SpaceX web site, and from old news clippings, I have found the following information. Vehicle total mass: 27.2 tonnes Stage 1 Sea Level Thrust: 34.92 tonnes Stage 1 Vacuum Thrust: 41.72 tonnes Stage 2 Vacuum Thrust: 3.175 tonnes Acceleration at Stage 1 Burnout: 6.5 g Acceleration at Stage 2 Ignition: 0.65 g Acceleration at Stage 2 Burnout: 4.5 g Payload to 200 km x 28.5 deg LEO: 0.57 tonnes Claimed Stage 1 Mass Fraction Goal: 94% Claimed Stage 2 Mass Fraction Goal: 91% Payoad fairing separation occurs after Stage 2 ignition. The acceleration data was provided without specifying the assumed payload mass, and the payload fairing mass is unknown. So I have a problem with too many unknowns to provide absolute answers. If I guess 0.35 tonnes for both the payload fairing and the modeled payload used to provide the acceleration numbers, I get the following results. Stage 1 Mass at Liftoff: 22.315 tonnes Stage 1 Mass at Burnout: 1.533 tonnes Stage 2 Mass at Ignition: 3.965 tonnes Stage 2 Mass at Burnout: 0.357 tonnes Payload Fairing Mass: 0.35 tonnes This provides a 93% Stage 1 mass fraction and a 91% Stage 2 mass fraction. The Stage 1 fraction seems believable because SpaceX ended up with a heavier Merlin than originally planned, according to updates on the SpaceX web site. But there is a great deal of uncertainty in these numbers. A different payload mass assumption would drive second stage mass above 4 tonnes, for example. Does anyone have better numbers? - Ed Kyle Do you think they removed the payload user's guide because of the most recent engine testing results? Perhaps they had to increase chamber wall thickness & weight of the engine? Tom |
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Tom Cuddihy wrote: Ed Kyle wrote: I'm trying to guesstimate the mass budget for a Falcon 1. Public information seems to be limited at the moment, especially since SpaceX has removed its Falcon 1 payload users guide from its web site. I'm wondering if anyone has the information on-hand. But I did download a copy of the guide last year. From it, from information still on the SpaceX web site, and from old news clippings, I have found the following information. Vehicle total mass: 27.2 tonnes Stage 1 Sea Level Thrust: 34.92 tonnes Stage 1 Vacuum Thrust: 41.72 tonnes Stage 2 Vacuum Thrust: 3.175 tonnes Acceleration at Stage 1 Burnout: 6.5 g Acceleration at Stage 2 Ignition: 0.65 g Acceleration at Stage 2 Burnout: 4.5 g Payload to 200 km x 28.5 deg LEO: 0.57 tonnes Claimed Stage 1 Mass Fraction Goal: 94% Claimed Stage 2 Mass Fraction Goal: 91% Payoad fairing separation occurs after Stage 2 ignition. The acceleration data was provided without specifying the assumed payload mass, and the payload fairing mass is unknown. So I have a problem with too many unknowns to provide absolute answers. If I guess 0.35 tonnes for both the payload fairing and the modeled payload used to provide the acceleration numbers, I get the following results. Stage 1 Mass at Liftoff: 22.315 tonnes Stage 1 Mass at Burnout: 1.533 tonnes Stage 2 Mass at Ignition: 3.965 tonnes Stage 2 Mass at Burnout: 0.357 tonnes Payload Fairing Mass: 0.35 tonnes This provides a 93% Stage 1 mass fraction and a 91% Stage 2 mass fraction. The Stage 1 fraction seems believable because SpaceX ended up with a heavier Merlin than originally planned, according to updates on the SpaceX web site. But there is a great deal of uncertainty in these numbers. A different payload mass assumption would drive second stage mass above 4 tonnes, for example. Does anyone have better numbers? - Ed Kyle Do you think they removed the payload user's guide because of the most recent engine testing results? Perhaps they had to increase chamber wall thickness & weight of the engine? Tom I doubt that the recent engine test failure was the reason. The failed engine was most likely a Merlin 1B, which is being developed for Falcon 5 and Falcon 9. Instead, I suspect that SpaceX needed to update the user's guide to reflect how Falcon 1 turned out after going through its development cycle. The old user's guide was posted in 2004, but the final Falcon 1 qualification tests were not completed until early 2005. Along the way, SpaceX encountered problems with Merlin. The company had to beef up manifolds that cracked, adding weight. The engine didn't turn out to be as efficient as originally planned, etc. The old guide said that Falcon 1 could put 670 kg into a 200 km x 28.5 degree orbit from Cape Canaveral. The current web site says only 570 kg, etc.. SpaceX will now be able to provide more accurate acceleration, vibration, and accoustic load data for payloads, based on test results. Etc.. - Ed Kyle |
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Ed Kyle wrote:
Tom Cuddihy wrote: Ed Kyle wrote: Vehicle total mass: 27.2 tonnes Stage 1 Sea Level Thrust: 34.92 tonnes .... Claimed Stage 1 Mass Fraction Goal: 94% Claimed Stage 2 Mass Fraction Goal: 91% .... Stage 1 Mass at Liftoff: 22.315 tonnes Stage 1 Mass at Burnout: 1.533 tonnes Stage 2 Mass at Ignition: 3.965 tonnes Stage 2 Mass at Burnout: 0.357 tonnes Payload Fairing Mass: 0.35 tonnes .... its development cycle. The old user's guide was posted in 2004, but the final Falcon 1 qualification tests were not completed until early 2005. Along the way, SpaceX encountered problems with Merlin. The company had to beef up manifolds that cracked, adding weight. The engine didn't turn out to be as efficient as originally planned, etc. The old guide said that Falcon 1 could put 670 kg into a 200 km x 28.5 degree orbit from Cape Canaveral. The current web site says only 570 kg, etc.. SpaceX will now be able to provide more accurate acceleration, vibration, and accoustic load data for payloads, based on test results. Etc.. - Ed Kyle Yeah, they have made some other changes during the development too, like changed the thrust structure, changed interstage to carbon fibre etc.. Some of these may not have been reflected in the payload user's guide. I wonder how much they'll tweak the Falcon I rocket more. I understand they have a composite fairing under work, and then they also have the 10% higher-thrust non-gimballing Merlin 1B engine, which could probably give parts to Merlin 1C with high thrust and gimballing. Maybe it's not worth the trouble, if the main aim of the rocket is minimum cost per launch. |
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meiza wrote: Ed Kyle wrote: Tom Cuddihy wrote: Ed Kyle wrote: Vehicle total mass: 27.2 tonnes Stage 1 Sea Level Thrust: 34.92 tonnes ... Claimed Stage 1 Mass Fraction Goal: 94% Claimed Stage 2 Mass Fraction Goal: 91% ... Stage 1 Mass at Liftoff: 22.315 tonnes Stage 1 Mass at Burnout: 1.533 tonnes Stage 2 Mass at Ignition: 3.965 tonnes Stage 2 Mass at Burnout: 0.357 tonnes Payload Fairing Mass: 0.35 tonnes ... its development cycle. The old user's guide was posted in 2004, but the final Falcon 1 qualification tests were not completed until early 2005. Along the way, SpaceX encountered problems with Merlin. The company had to beef up manifolds that cracked, adding weight. The engine didn't turn out to be as efficient as originally planned, etc. The old guide said that Falcon 1 could put 670 kg into a 200 km x 28.5 degree orbit from Cape Canaveral. The current web site says only 570 kg, etc.. SpaceX will now be able to provide more accurate acceleration, vibration, and accoustic load data for payloads, based on test results. Etc.. - Ed Kyle Yeah, they have made some other changes during the development too, like changed the thrust structure, changed interstage to carbon fibre etc.. Some of these may not have been reflected in the payload user's guide. I wonder how much they'll tweak the Falcon I rocket more. I understand they have a composite fairing under work, and then they also have the 10% higher-thrust non-gimballing Merlin 1B engine, which could probably give parts to Merlin 1C with high thrust and gimballing. The 1B has gimbaling, it just doesn't use turbine exhaust for roll controll. Maybe it's not worth the trouble, if the main aim of the rocket is minimum cost per launch. Unless they really do create a big bump in market demand, which will probably take a few years. tom |
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Ed Kyle wrote:
The Isakowitz4 numbers seem to work with the acceleration data provided in the Falcon user's guide if you assume a "nominal" 350 kg payload mass and a payload fairing mass of something like 440 kg. I don't have a good "feel" for fairing masses, but 440 kg seems to be in the ballpark. Hmmm, I wonder if you could build a modern variant of the mercury capsule to go on top of the Falcon and keep the gross mass under 790 kg? |
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In article .com, Michael
Smith says... Ed Kyle wrote: The Isakowitz4 numbers seem to work with the acceleration data provided in the Falcon user's guide if you assume a "nominal" 350 kg payload mass and a payload fairing mass of something like 440 kg. I don't have a good "feel" for fairing masses, but 440 kg seems to be in the ballpark. Hmmm, I wonder if you could build a modern variant of the mercury capsule to go on top of the Falcon and keep the gross mass under 790 kg? Fairing mass is not orbital payload mass. The fairing is jettisoned at about the same time as the first stage, and so has very little effect on the vehicle's performance - the mass of the fairing is very small compared to the mass of the fueled second stage, after all. Dispensing with a 440 kg fairing *might* get you as much as a hundred extra kilograms of propellant; I don't have the details on the Falcon stack or my launcher performance estimation code handy, or I'd try it and see. It won't give you enough of a boost to fit a Mercury capsule on the bird. And any capsule you could fit on a Falcon 1 would be a pure stunt ship. Might be worth doing if it were the only way to keep interest in manned spaceflight or in private-sector spaceflight alive, but probably better to wait for one of the bigger Falcons at this point. -- *John Schilling * "Anything worth doing, * *Member:AIAA,NRA,ACLU,SAS,LP * is worth doing for money" * *Chief Scientist & General Partner * -13th Rule of Acquisition * *White Elephant Research, LLC * "There is no substitute * * for success" * *661-718-0955 or 661-275-6795 * -58th Rule of Acquisition * |
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What's the big hubbub? This piece o'****, privately made LV will never
orbit A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G |
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