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Von Braun rockets on Encyclopedia Astronautica
Pat Flannery wrote:
Scott Lowther wrote: It's in the book book "Hitler's Siegswaffen, Band 2- Star Wars 1947" Never heard of that particular book book. It sounds like a winner, though. Low production value? All you have to do is photocopy Wright-Patterson AFB's copy of "Rocket Drive For Long-range Bombers" by Eugen Sanger and Irene Brendt, and send it to the author- Why can't he get his own? Hell, I got my copy of the report by photocopying one that came from interlibrary loan. I saw a rather ragged original of the translation at the Purdue U library just a bit over a year ago... *******s wouldn't sell it to me. one Friedrich George (not his real name; his real name is....A STATE SECRET!) and you too may receive free autographed copies of all of his books. Which are very nicely printed and bound by the way, and have lots of color pages; the only peculiarity being that the writing on the spine is 180 degrees reversed from the way it is on American books. (i.e. when sitting with the front cover title upright on the bookshelf, the spine writing reads bottom-to-top.) The reunited Germany is busy reinventing its past; With help from Russian, American, British, Polish, French, etc. "authors." Funny thing is, I see more "Germans had *everything*" nonsense coming from their former enemies than from German fantasy writers. -- Scott Lowther, Engineer Remove the obvious (capitalized) anti-spam gibberish from the reply-to e-mail address |
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Von Braun rockets on Encyclopedia Astronautica
Scott Lowther wrote:
*Actually, I have a side and top-view painting of it...and I treat those paintings with every bit as much trust as I treat the Nazi Flying Saucer cutaways, even though they're not by the Boys From Barcelona. It's in the book book "Hitler's Siegswaffen, Band 2- Star Wars 1947" Never heard of that particular book book. It sounds like a winner, though. Low production value? Ah, here we go: http://www.geocities.com/unicraftmodels/books.htm The great thing about the digital revolution is that it allows far more to be published. The bad thing about the digital revolution is that it allows far more rubbish to be published. But... I'll probably buy Vol 2& 3 anyway (already ahve Vol 1). I'm a sucker for sci-fi tech manuals... -- Scott Lowther, Engineer Remove the obvious (capitalized) anti-spam gibberish from the reply-to e-mail address |
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Von Braun rockets on Encyclopedia Astronautica
Scott Lowther wrote:
I've read about it in numerous places- generally in regard to the postwar Soviet program; but have never been able to track down even a sketch of the damned thing*- it was supposed to be an A4 with a ramjet driven missile stuck on the side Navaho-style (or possibly on top- I suspect you're thinking of this: http://www.geocities.com/unicraftmodels/germ/v4/v4.htm You can probably guess what I think the accuracy of this is. I could make something looking like that out of left-over parts from the model scrap box also. That's the one from my autographed book; I wrote to author "X" and told him that I thought it was a piece of crap...note that it appears to have a rocket in the main fuselage; which sort of removes the need for the V-2. Also, if you do actually stick a thing shaped like that on the nose of a V-2, it's going to go completely out of control due to the wings; if the V-2 even has enough thrust to lift it off the pad...I first read about this around 20 years ago (and I'm still trying to track down where...is this mentioned in Zaloga's "Target America" by any chance? I don't have a copy of that one, but read it through inter-library loan.) before the "Secret Nazi Project Discovered" craze hit, and I think it was in reference to the Soviet continuation of the project. (our continuation of the same thing was apparently the Hermes II a souped up V-2 with lenticular ramjets in the wings of the separable front end. This was apparently the one that took the trip to the Juarez cemetery: http://www.ufx.org/gfb/hermes.html ) Pat |
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Von Braun rockets on Encyclopedia Astronautica
Scott Lowther wrote:
With help from Russian, American, British, Polish, French, etc. "authors." Funny thing is, I see more "Germans had *everything*" nonsense coming from their former enemies than from German fantasy writers. This is the counter-reaction against communism's fall in the eastern block...."If communism is bad... and the Nazis fought communism... then the Nazis must therefore be...." The two sides of the same wooden nickel. Pat |
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Von Braun rockets on Encyclopedia Astronautica
Scott Lowther wrote:
But... I'll probably buy Vol 2& 3 anyway (already ahve Vol 1). I'm a sucker for sci-fi tech manuals... And I'll have the valuable autographed first editions. And I'm thanked in the acknowledgments of the one with the Ju-488 on the cover, I'll have you know. What...the hell.....is the thing on the cover the bottom one: http://www.geocities.com/unicraftmodels/book3germ.jpg ? It looks like somebody tore the wings off of a Triebflugel and stuck turbojets on the front. Pat |
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Von Braun rockets on Encyclopedia Astronautica
Pat Flannery wrote:
Scott Lowther wrote: But... I'll probably buy Vol 2& 3 anyway (already ahve Vol 1). I'm a sucker for sci-fi tech manuals... And I'll have the valuable autographed first editions. And I'm thanked in the acknowledgments of the one with the Ju-488 on the cover, I'll have you know. What...the hell.....is the thing on the cover the bottom one: http://www.geocities.com/unicraftmodels/book3germ.jpg ? It looks like somebody tore the wings off of a Triebflugel and stuck turbojets on the front. Looks more like someone had a brain fart and decided to put ramjets on the forward fins of a Wasserfall SAM, and stick some poor schmuck in the nose. -- Scott Lowther, Engineer Remove the obvious (capitalized) anti-spam gibberish from the reply-to e-mail address |
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Von Braun rockets on Encyclopedia Astronautica
Scott Lowther wrote:
Looks more like someone had a brain fart and decided to put ramjets on the forward fins of a Wasserfall SAM, and stick some poor schmuck in the nose. "Dundervogel Eine" from National Socialist Rescue?* Horse and Rider; another drawing: http://www.germanvtol.com/fieslerfolder/fi_166.html This one supposedly by Bachem, and manned. Mercado and Miranda strike again! Pat * Now, _there_ would be an interesting alternative future; a Nazi-run Britain where Gerry and Sylvia Anderson work on fascist puppetoons...Ubercar...Feuerball AH-5...Sting-U-Booten...Kapitan Richthofen Und Der Mysterians... |
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Von Braun rockets on Encyclopedia Astronautica
Pat Flannery wrote in message ...
Scott Lowther wrote: I thought they were supposed to be in Spain. Nope. That would have required a conquest of Spain... certainly the Nazis thought they could do it, but one more headache. The A-9/10 actually had some launch sites under construction in France, IIRC. Okay, nothing on the "Horse and Rider" yet; but after several hours of digging around in my books; I find a photographic reproduction of a notebook page on graph paper from the A9/A10 project on page 101 of Ernst Klee and Otto Merk's "The Birth Of The Missile" E.P Dutton & Co. Inc.,1965 (introduction by WvB- so I think we can assume that it gets the seal of approval) which has the distance and trajectory figures for A9/A10 launches from Ouessant, France (5 degrees West; 48.45 degrees North) and Cape da Roca, Portugal (so I was at least close) (9.45 degrees West; 37.75 degrees North) to New York City, Pittsburgh, and Washington D.C.- the document has a number on it: "2/1-2"- but whether this is a date, or a file number I don't know. (the photo-reproduction of the drawing of the six thrust chamber A10 motor on page 100 has "Archiv Nr..................Seite 69/6" on it, with the "69/6" handwritten in.... as the "2/1-2" is also). Pat If you have a copy of Walter Dornberger's recent reprint of , V2 - Der Schuss ins Weltall, now called Peenemuende, Die Geschichte Der V-Waffen, Ullstein, 1999, there is a neat table of technical data the A4, A 60, A 4b, A9 and A9/A10. By the by is that "Das Pferd und der Mitfahrer"? I too am going to move my thread on the piloted A9 to the History group. |
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Von Braun rockets on Encyclopedia Astronautica
Pat Flannery wrote:
http://www.germanvtol.com/fieslerfolder/fi_166.html This one supposedly by Bachem, and manned. Mercado and Miranda strike again! Actaully, no. This one is for real. While Mercado/Miranda have drawn them up... the three-views shown at the top fo this page are the real deal. -- Scott Lowther, Engineer Remove the obvious (capitalized) anti-spam gibberish from the reply-to e-mail address |
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Von Braun rockets on Encyclopedia Astronautica
Scott Lowther wrote:
Actaully, no. This one is for real. While Mercado/Miranda have drawn them up... the three-views shown at the top fo this page are the real deal. WHAT! A secret German aircraft project I didn't know about? (much less have a model of?) I thought I knew about them all...if some German designer got a few too many beers in him, and scribbled out something with forward swept wings, rockets, and ramjets on a paper napkin in the bar, I thought it would have been in one of my books; now somebody sneaks something with a modified A5 hanging off the bottom clean under my literary radar! I feel like the PVO Strany after Mathias Rust landed in Red Square....well at least this is probably where the "Horse and Rider" concept got started...now if I can connect this with some sort of an unmanned missile, as opposed to manned aircraft, the mystery will be getting close to solved. Here is an interesting thought- Why didn't the Germans ever stick an A5 on the nose of an A4- the way we did with the WAC Corporal in Project Bumper? Given von Braun's interest in multi-stage rockets, you would have thought that he could have talked the army into this idea as a test vehicle for the A9/A10; particularly given the fact that there was a winged test variant of the A5 in existence (the A7; photo on page 262 of the "V Missiles of the Third Reich" book) Pat |
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