what if paradox

"Dr. Yubiwan" wrote in message
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SNIP

Of course the fact that none of you can explain the universe prior to the
Big Bang rolls merrily and nonsensibly off your ducky backs.

Pray tell, moron, *what* universe before the "big bang"?


What a crock some of you can be.

And what a moron you have demonstrated you are. Your mother must be
dissapointed.


Trouble is, it can't be so easily dismissed as can
be noted by some of the names now putting it forward as a serious
proposal. Again I remind you that these peeps are *real* PhD's in their
respective fields. You are not.

And your mother can't boil water, lout.

If you have a life to get back to, I do hope you go soon.
With all due respect, Mr. Vingnutte, you're beginning to bore the hell out
of me.

Dr. Yubiwan, Ph.D.

Post some astronomy. What field is your "PhD. in, and is your thesis
available?

BWAHHAHHAHAH

Dance kookboi.

"Wally Anglesea" wrote in message
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"Ray Vingnutte" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:21:23 GMT
"Dr. Yubiwan" wrote:


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Dr. Yubiwan, Ph.D.



Have not quite got the hang of this have you, you do realise that there
is
no need to use the 'Ph.D' after your name as it is implied by the title
you use of 'Dr.'

These newbies are a scream. Now how much did you pay for that bit of
paper??

It's called "overcompensation" I suspect "Yubiwan" is nothing more than a
checkout charlie or a janitor.



Hah! here is the epitome of a classic PKB.

Now for the Actual psychiatric definition of the term: an attempt to
overcome a real or imagined defect or unwanted trait by overly exaggerating
its opposite.

Such as manifesting a superiority complex to overcome an inferiority
complex.

The term 'overcompensation' has absolutely no technical connection to what
Mr. Vingnutte proposed.
However, it has a magnificent connection to your own particular neurosis,
Mr. Anglesea.
Truly, your feelings about me preclude my helping you, but Do seek out your
own trusted practitioner before you hurt yourself irreparably.

Dr. Yubiwan, Ph.D.

"Wally Anglesea" wrote in message
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"Dr. Yubiwan" wrote in message
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SNIP

Of course the fact that none of you can explain the universe prior to
the
Big Bang rolls merrily and nonsensibly off your ducky backs.

Pray tell, moron, *what* universe before the "big bang"?

Goodness, there's that SC creeping in again.
Or did it ever creep out?


What a crock some of you can be.

And what a moron you have demonstrated you are. Your mother must be
dissapointed.

Not at all.
My mother's dead.
However, she was quite proud of me all the great while she lived.


Trouble is, it can't be so easily dismissed as can
be noted by some of the names now putting it forward as a serious
proposal. Again I remind you that these peeps are *real* PhD's in their
respective fields. You are not.

And your mother can't boil water, lout.

If you have a life to get back to, I do hope you go soon.
With all due respect, Mr. Vingnutte, you're beginning to bore the hell
out
of me.

Dr. Yubiwan, Ph.D.

Post some astronomy. What field is your "PhD. in, and is your thesis
available?

All my doctorates are related in some way to psychology.
Of course, we have found relationships which you have yet to discover, such
as my four astronomy degrees.
This makes me the only astropsychologist in this star system.

To answer your question in terms that there is no way for you to fully
understand: since the Big Bang theory is untrue,
then to ask "What universe before the Big Bang?" has no meaning.
Your science has been trying for many years to define the few instants just
after the Big Bang, and to comprehend the situation which led up to and
prompted the Big Bang.

Not surprisingly, even your greatest minds don't have a clue.
One would think that this would be a key for someone to firmly pull for a
plausible theory, which the Big Bang sadly is not.
Only morons would hold on to such an implausible theory for so long.

But then, since most people are 'overcompensating' just like yourself, Mr.
Anglesea, moronic behavior is to be expected.
Wake up and smell the xpoiuj[oufoju['w!
Oh, sorry, no translation for that one, right.
But you at least get that, I'm sure, eh?

Space vibrates, Mr. Anglesea, and it gives the Appearance of an origin from
your limited perspective.
We ourselves have been unable to trace back to a 'beginning'.
There have been uncountable minimums and maximums, but no perceivable
beginning, and most probably no ending, either.
Don't take my word for it, just really try to think this through.
The background you possess in astronomy will at one and the same time carry
you forward and hold you back.
So if you truly Do have some students, then I suggest you think-tank it.
You may be quite surprised by what you learn about this from bright, young
and properly directed minds.

Dr. Yubiwan, Ph.D.

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Ray Vingnutte wrote:

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:21:23 GMT
"Dr. Yubiwan" wrote:


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Dr. Yubiwan, Ph.D.



Have not quite got the hang of this have you, you do realise that there is no
need to use the 'Ph.D' after your name as it is implied by the title you use
of 'Dr.'

having seen phds and nonphds in action and inaction
i have concluded that phds are not smarter than average
just more willing to jump hoops while chasing after a diploma

arf meow arf

cthulu loves you
he loves the little children
with ketchup please

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:54:39 GMT
"Dr. Yubiwan" wrote:

"Ray Vingnutte" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:21:23 GMT
"Dr. Yubiwan" wrote:


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Dr. Yubiwan, Ph.D.



Have not quite got the hang of this have you, you do realise that there is
no need to use the 'Ph.D' after your name as it is implied by the title you
use of 'Dr.'

That is correct and customary, not to be denied.
Amazing how one would even notice that my usage is unconventional.

Ah well you see, us in the know, those with *real* qualifications spot
these sort of things, especialy on usenet, there's a lot of it about
I'm afraid,


Oh!

SHUT
UP !!!

. . . it's you, Mr. Vingnutte.
No further explanation needed.

Look, you benn outed, no need to get upset, people try and pull all sorts on usenet, pretending to be highly educated when your are plainly not, well it sort of stands you out even more, if you see what I mean.


I have my reasons for including both nomenclatures with my name, Mr.
Vingnutte.

And your reasons are?, let me guess, your purchase has been a very recent purchase and no one told you of the proper forms of address etc.

Thats understandable, I mean how would you know that, if you were genuine you wouldn't write it like that, on a business card or in a more formal setting then yes one could list ones qualifications in that way
or in a proper signature, but never just sign yourself off in that way.

Oh dear, oh dear.

And while unconventional, this practice is not entirely unheard of on your
planet.

Ah at least we can agree on that then that we are not on the same planet.

Many of my esteemed colleagues use this format when signing letters and
such.

Yeah, in a more formal and apropriate setting, but you still wouldn't sign yourself off in that way, it's a dead giveaway, sorry.


Only poorly informed idjits such as yourself would consider the practice
overly pompous or juvenile.

Not pompous, just not done I'm afraid, which just goes to show your real and true ignorance of these things.

Didn't they give you instructions on this sort of thing when you bought it??. I mean it's no good buying a bit of paper if you fall flat on your
face when you try and impress people is it?.




Dr. Yubiwan, Ph.D.

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:30:22 GMT
"Dr. Yubiwan" wrote:

"Ray Vingnutte" wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:07:14 GMT
"Dr. Yubiwan" wrote:

"Luigi Caselli" wrote in message
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"Dr. Yubiwan" ha scritto nel messaggio
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"Dr. Yubiwan" wrote in message
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"Luigi Caselli" wrote in
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Small means that in our universe you can have only one reality.
So anything is not possibly and not likely. Life conditions are
limited.

In a multiverse solution you can have infinite realities... and
in
this
theory you can say that (almost) anything is possibly or likely
in
some
of
these universes.
And there's no need to claim that we won an incredibly unlikely
lottery.
With infinite tickets someone (us) took the right one...

In the biggest lottery in Italy you have only 1 on 625.000.000
possibility
to win.
But selling millions of tickets every extraction someone every
10-20
times
wins.
If they sell only one ticket it's a bit more difficult to win...

Our universe fine tuning conditions are a lot more unlikely...
So you really need lots of tickets (universes)...

Luigi Caselli



The belief in a multiverse, founded by neither evidence,
observation
nor
logic, is a manifestation of a human being's search and striving
for
the
absolutely deepest level of inferiority complex possible to
attain.

IOW, those with inferiority complexes were overjoyed each time a
discovery
was made which increased the perceived size of the Universe.

Now that your science has taken you about as far as it can take
you in
terms
of the size of the observable Universe, people like you keep the
trend
going
with your imaginations.

You envision either an infinitely large Universe or an infinite
set of
Universes in order to make yourself feel as small as you can
possibly
feel.

This then justifies your overwhelming and decidedly overbearing
sense
of
superiority over other people.

If you are not already seeing a psychologist, I would certainly
like
to
take
a closer look at you, if you don't mind.

Dr. Yubiwan, Ph.D.



And may I add that a belief that you are a simulation is also
related to
your feelings of smallness, of helplessness, of inferiority.

The only reason you choose rather to believe in an infinite
multiverse
is
simply because this makes you feel even smaller than you would feel
if
you
accepted the simulation hypothesis.

You are encouraged to begin a study of the small.

When you have studied down into the Planck area for awhile, then see
where
your imagination takes you.

If you think simulation and multiversing is humbling, just wait
until
you
envision the constituent makeup of subatomic "particles".

Only then will you experience--and exhibit--behavioral humility.

Only then will you begin to sense true balance.

Dr. Yubiwan, Ph.D.

Again, simulation theory is not my theory, you can read about it at
http://www.simulation-argument.com
Why don't you talk about it with Nick Bostrom? I think it would be
interesting...

Yes, Mr. Caselli, we are aware of the theory, its creator and all its
believers.


Did you know he used to be a stand up comedian, tis true.

See there, Mr. Vingnutte, you Can do research when you want to.
This was some years ago, '97, IIRC.
He'll be able to take his simulation ideas on the road soon.


What reasearch?, it is common knowledge and has been for several years.


And his PhD is in fact real, unlike yours, and he achieved the highest
level grades in his country, quite an achievement

You have no basis to say that my doctorate is not real.

I have every right to question it, you don't think I was going to blindly accept your word do you?, I mean if you came across in a more
intelectual way then maybe I wouldn't have questioned it, but alas you only have yourself to blame for my doubts.


Choose your words carefully, as I'm feeling feisty and I'm quite good!

Ah yes, violence eh, well you can't really sue me can you, what with you being from a different planet and all that, I mean imigration would have something to say about that for a start.


Dr. Bostrum is enjoying his talent, and his influence is spreading,
albeit
slowly.

Yeah but these peeps are *real* PhD's, you can't just dismiss it.

Of course I can dismiss it if it is untrue.
And I do dismiss it.

That is entirely up to you.. I am not even attemptong to try and persuade you otherwise,

Ph.D.s do not constitute an automatic ability to monopolize truth, you
moron.

Of course not, but it's a bloody good start though, but you wouldn't know about that would you, I mean you not being real and all that.


He should be commended for his work, as some of it is quite genius.

Absolutely, a genius.

But the simulation argument is easily refuted and will be soundly put to
rest very soon.

If that were the case the argument would not be spreading and would have
died a death by now.

Like for example, your "Big Bang" theory of the origin of the universe? hmm?

Both theories are manifestations of the common human low esteem.
You are too ignorant to comprehend infinity, so all must have a beginning
and an end.
You want to "go out like a lamb" or IOW, you want to die peacefully in bed,
so you want the beginning to "come in like a lion" and be a very nearly
incomprehensible BANG!!!

LOL, get a grip on yourself.


Of course the fact that none of you can explain the universe prior to the
Big Bang rolls merrily and nonsensibly off your ducky backs.

What a crock some of you can be.


This is getting really tedious and boring now, people will start moaning soon so I will leave you to the others.


Trouble is, it can't be so easily dismissed as can
be noted by some of the names now putting it forward as a serious
proposal. Again I remind you that these peeps are *real* PhD's in their
respective fields. You are not.

And your mother can't boil water, lout.

Oh yes she can, I have seen her do it.


If you have a life to get back to, I do hope you go soon.
With all due respect, Mr. Vingnutte, you're beginning to bore the hell out
of me.

Thats exactly what I was thinking about you a few lines back.


Dr. Yubiwan, Ph.D.

"Ray Vingnutte" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:54:39 GMT
"Dr. Yubiwan" wrote:

"Ray Vingnutte" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:21:23 GMT
"Dr. Yubiwan" wrote:


Snip


Dr. Yubiwan, Ph.D.



Have not quite got the hang of this have you, you do realise that
there is
no need to use the 'Ph.D' after your name as it is implied by the title
you
use of 'Dr.'

That is correct and customary, not to be denied.
Amazing how one would even notice that my usage is unconventional.

Ah well you see, us in the know, those with *real* qualifications spot
these sort of things, especialy on usenet, there's a lot of it about
I'm afraid,

Look, you benn outed, no need to get upset, people try and pull all sorts
on usenet, pretending to be highly educated when your are plainly not, well
it sort of stands you out even more, if you see what I mean.

Thats understandable, I mean how would you know that, if you were genuine
you wouldn't write it like that, on a business card or in a more formal
setting then yes one could list ones qualifications in that way
or in a proper signature, but never just sign yourself off in that way.

Yeah, in a more formal and apropriate setting, but you still wouldn't sign
yourself off in that way, it's a dead giveaway, sorry.

Not pompous, just not done I'm afraid, which just goes to show your real
and true ignorance of these things.

Didn't they give you instructions on this sort of thing when you bought
it??. I mean it's no good buying a bit of paper if you fall flat on your
face when you try and impress people is it?.

Easily refuted, pompous puss.

As you will see if you even have sense enough to know how to click a link,
http://tinyurl.com/6jab8 , there are well over 1.3 million pages, each page
having one or more examples of my type of usage.
(Or so my computer tells me.)

I'd say that's far more impressive than your moronic opinion, eh?
Nor does it bode well for your *real* qualifications, does it?
Tell me, Mr. Vingnutte, do you actually have any grasp at all on *reality*?

Do stick to astronomy, for your flaming skills are somewhere between amoebic
and zygotic.

Dr. Yubiwan, Ph.D.

"Ray Vingnutte" wrote in message
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*snip*
This is getting really tedious and boring now, people will start moaning
soon so I will leave you to the others.

At last!

It's been real, and it's been fun, but it hasn't been real fun.

Dr. Yubiwan, Ph.D.

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:03:14 GMT
"Dr. Yubiwan" wrote:

"Ray Vingnutte" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:54:39 GMT
"Dr. Yubiwan" wrote:

"Ray Vingnutte" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:21:23 GMT
"Dr. Yubiwan" wrote:


Snip


Dr. Yubiwan, Ph.D.



Have not quite got the hang of this have you, you do realise that
there is
no need to use the 'Ph.D' after your name as it is implied by the title
you
use of 'Dr.'

That is correct and customary, not to be denied.
Amazing how one would even notice that my usage is unconventional.

Ah well you see, us in the know, those with *real* qualifications spot
these sort of things, especialy on usenet, there's a lot of it about
I'm afraid,

Look, you benn outed, no need to get upset, people try and pull all sorts
on usenet, pretending to be highly educated when your are plainly not, well
it sort of stands you out even more, if you see what I mean.

Thats understandable, I mean how would you know that, if you were genuine
you wouldn't write it like that, on a business card or in a more formal
setting then yes one could list ones qualifications in that way
or in a proper signature, but never just sign yourself off in that way.

Yeah, in a more formal and apropriate setting, but you still wouldn't sign
yourself off in that way, it's a dead giveaway, sorry.

Not pompous, just not done I'm afraid, which just goes to show your real
and true ignorance of these things.

Didn't they give you instructions on this sort of thing when you bought
it??. I mean it's no good buying a bit of paper if you fall flat on your
face when you try and impress people is it?.

Easily refuted, pompous puss.

As you will see if you even have sense enough to know how to click a link,
http://tinyurl.com/6jab8 , there are well over 1.3 million pages, each page
having one or more examples of my type of usage.

Not really sure what you are on about now, but this is no excuse I can't look right now as I do not have a functional web browser working on this particular machine at this time due to being rooted and requiring full install of the OS, sorry about that, if I remember later on I will come back to it, don;t count on it though.

I'll let you have the last word so I won't even bother with what is written below.

(Or so my computer tells me.)

I'd say that's far more impressive than your moronic opinion, eh?
Nor does it bode well for your *real* qualifications, does it?
Tell me, Mr. Vingnutte, do you actually have any grasp at all on *reality*?

Do stick to astronomy, for your flaming skills are somewhere between amoebic
and zygotic.

Dr. Yubiwan, Ph.D.

"Dr. Yubiwan" wrote in message
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"Wally Anglesea" wrote in
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"Ray Vingnutte" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:21:23 GMT
"Dr. Yubiwan" wrote:


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Dr. Yubiwan, Ph.D.



Have not quite got the hang of this have you, you do realise that there
is
no need to use the 'Ph.D' after your name as it is implied by the title
you use of 'Dr.'

These newbies are a scream. Now how much did you pay for that bit of
paper??

It's called "overcompensation" I suspect "Yubiwan" is nothing more than
a
checkout charlie or a janitor.



Hah! here is the epitome of a classic PKB.

Now for the Actual psychiatric definition of the term: an attempt to
overcome a real or imagined defect or unwanted trait by overly
exaggerating
its opposite.

Exactly. As demonstrated by your claiming an education.




Such as manifesting a superiority complex to overcome an inferiority
complex.

The term 'overcompensation' has absolutely no technical connection to what
Mr. Vingnutte proposed.
However, it has a magnificent connection to your own particular neurosis,
Mr. Anglesea.
Truly, your feelings about me preclude my helping you, but Do seek out
your
own trusted practitioner before you hurt yourself irreparably.

Let's discuss Cepheids. What are you afraid of, kook?