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MSNBC: "Space station mission opposed"
In article ,
wrote: The least they could have done was send canaries. Perhaps that is why they sent the Spaniard! :-) Nick |
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MSNBC: "Space station mission opposed"
In article , says...
Hallerb wrote: By the way SMELL is useless in a stinky envirmonment. Eventually you adjust and cant detect off odors. No. You get used to odours that are continuous. But if some new odour pops up, you notice it. This can be used to good effect. Strap on a breathing mask, connected to a small bottle of pure O2. Spend the next hour or so doing your normal work and clearing your nose. Remove the mask and sniff -- what do you smell? -- Kevin Willoughby oSpam Imagine that, a FROG ON-OFF switch, hardly the work for test pilots. -- Mike Collins |
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I do not wish to pursue this unfortunate discussion further, or have any
more "Fawlty Towers" flashbacks. Just drop it before it's too late. JJ Robinson II Houston, TX **************** * JOKE * **************** * SERIOUS * **************** * SARCASTIC * **************** * OTHER? * **************** "Nicholas Fitzpatrick" wrote in message ... In article , wrote: The least they could have done was send canaries. Perhaps that is why they sent the Spaniard! :-) Nick |
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Great---now it's "Princess Bride" flashbacks.
But seriously, if these problems were just an isolated bit of teething trouble in adapting to the new circumstances, maybe it could be treated as a wait-and-see set of inconveniences. But it's apparently a progressive deterioration of ISS hardware due to lack of sufficient cargo capability to maintain the station and replace broken equipment. What else is past due for maintenance or replacement, ready to break down at any moment? And that's not all--- Does anybody remember when the station unexpectedly lost it's entire quadruply-redundant computer system (what was it? Conflicts with partially tested robot arm software?) I've personally seen EVA support hardware for the US airlock that wouldn't make the shelf at Wal-Mart (a popular US department store chain, in case that doesn't translate). I'm sure there are many more examples of hacked-together, fix-it-when-we-get-to-orbit workmanship, but it's already past my bedtime. And that was when ISS was well-supplied and in its "prime", with regular shuttle flights. How long is it going to take for the ISS to simply run out of luck? JJ Robinson II Houston, TX **************** * JOKE * **************** * SERIOUS * **************** * SARCASTIC * **************** * OTHER? * **************** "Derek Lyons" wrote in message ... wrote: Once again, it's clear that NASA can't buy a clue: Not even remotely. ---clip--- |
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Smell fatigues very quickly, but the space station is not that small a
volume. If one module stinks every time they enter it, there is a problem in that module. But the fatigue goes away when they are in a different module. The thing to do about stink is to let the air out of the module and it won't stink anymore. Astronauts will be in spacesuits of course. Tom |
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The warnings and objections are real. Note however there was not a NOGO on
the flight, only the increment and the return flight (manifest). The med-ops folks (CHeCs, TEPC, TVIS, etc) have a low priority on manifest, to obtain a higher priority their equipment must be declared by them to have a higher criticality. However when it is declared to have a higher criticality then it must also pass a more rigorous design review (MTBF analysis, MTTR, etc). The trade-off is that if the equipment is mission critical then it must be shown that it will work. A casual examination of the the documentation on NASA watch shows that the med-ops declared criticality matches the equipment's operability. "Derek Lyons" wrote in message ... wrote: Once again, it's clear that NASA can't buy a clue: Not even remotely. "However, in what some medical personnel described this week as a chilling echo of the decision-making leading up to the Columbia space shuttle disaster, arguments in favor of scrubbing the latest crew replacement mission and temporarily shuttering the space station were overruled by managers concerned with keeping the facility occupied. " Fascinating how you swallow 'warnings' without the slightest bit of skepticism. Are these objections real? Or are the docs crying wolf to cover their asses in the off chance that something does go wrong? D. -- The STS-107 Columbia Loss FAQ can be found at the following URLs: Text-Only Version: http://www.io.com/~o_m/columbia_loss_faq.html Enhanced HTML Version: http://www.io.com/~o_m/columbia_loss_faq_x.html Corrections, comments, and additions should be e-mailed to , as well as posted to sci.space.history and sci.space.shuttle for discussion. |
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MSNBC: "Space station mission opposed"
"Sh'maal" wrote in message ... A casual examination of the the documentation on NASA watch shows that the med-ops declared criticality matches the equipment's operability. Are the environmental and medical systems in question in this report really low-criticality, or are they assigned that status as a kind of under-the-table waiver? JJ Robinson II Houston, TX **************** * JOKE * **************** * SERIOUS * **************** * SARCASTIC * **************** * OTHER? * **************** |
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MSNBC: "Space station mission opposed"
In sci.space.policy Christopher wrote:
On 25 Oct 2003 17:33:09 GMT, (TKalbfus) wrote: Smell fatigues very quickly, but the space station is not that small a volume. If one module stinks every time they enter it, there is a problem in that module. But the fatigue goes away when they are in a different module. The thing to do about stink is to let the air out of the module and it won't stink anymore. Astronauts will be in spacesuits of course. And if the stink returns when the module is re-pressurised? Well, that depends on if the suits stink worse than the station. |
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