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Hi All
Got this email from a friend of mine: Hi all, I am working on a new lesson for my second graders focusing on Moon Laws. If YOU were given the task of creating a constitution, laws, bill of rights for people in a future lunar colony what would YOU include? I'd love to have your input! Thanks, My first thought is that doesn't the OST say or at least imply that the country that launches an object/probe/spacecraft is responsible for said object? And whatever rule of law applies to that country would apply to said object? Even if you would go with a privately funded moon colony. That company would be based on some nation on Earth, and whatever laws apply to that country would apply to the colony? What about an international colony, would it be the country that funds most of the colony? Or do international laws/treaties apply hear? What is the setup for ISS? Just my $0.02 Space Cadet derwetzelsDASHspacecadetATyahooDOTcom Moon Society - St. Louis Chapter http://www.moonsociety.org/chapters/stlouis/ The Moon Society is a non-profit educational and scientific foundation formed to further scientific study and development of the moon. |
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"Space Cadet" wrote in message
ps.com... Hi All Got this email from a friend of mine: Hi all, I am working on a new lesson for my second graders focusing on Moon Laws. If YOU were given the task of creating a constitution, laws, bill of rights for people in a future lunar colony what would YOU include? I'd love to have your input! Thanks, My first thought is that doesn't the OST say or at least imply that the country that launches an object/probe/spacecraft is responsible for said object? And whatever rule of law applies to that country would apply to said object? Even if you would go with a privately funded moon colony. That company would be based on some nation on Earth, and whatever laws apply to that country would apply to the colony? Yes, but... that doesn't mean that the people living in the colony have to agree with the Earthlings who signed that treaty. They could just declare themselves soveriegn and say "*we* never signed the OST, so bugger off". Or, if they don't form an independent nation, there's still nothing to stop the originating nation from passing new space-specific laws different from those that operate in their territory on Earth. What about an international colony, would it be the country that funds most of the colony? Or do international laws/treaties apply hear? What is the setup for ISS? -l. ------------------------------------ My inbox is a sacred shrine, none shall enter that are not worthy. |
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On Oct 7, 11:40 am, "Logan Kearsley"
wrote: "Space Cadet" wrote in message ps.com... Hi All Got this email from a friend of mine: Hi all, I am working on a new lesson for my second graders focusing on Moon Laws. If YOU were given the task of creating a constitution, laws, bill of rights for people in a future lunar colony what would YOU include? I'd love to have your input! Thanks, My first thought is that doesn't the OST say or at least imply that the country that launches an object/probe/spacecraft is responsible for said object? And whatever rule of law applies to that country would apply to said object? Even if you would go with a privately funded moon colony. That company would be based on some nation on Earth, and whatever laws apply to that country would apply to the colony? Yes, but... that doesn't mean that the people living in the colony have to agree with the Earthlings who signed that treaty. They could just declare themselves soveriegn and say "*we* never signed the OST, so bugger off". Or, if they don't form an independent nation, there's still nothing to stop the originating nation from passing new space-specific laws different from those that operate in their territory on Earth. China and possily a small share dominated by India will most likely be in charge of that moon and of its L1. Get used to it. If we're lucky and being nice for a change, our NASA might get a tethered access (for a fee paid to China) to utilize the moon's L2. - Brad Guth - |
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 05:53:10 -0700, Space Cadet
wrote: Hi All Got this email from a friend of mine: Hi all, I am working on a new lesson for my second graders focusing on Moon Laws. If YOU were given the task of creating a constitution, laws, bill of rights for people in a future lunar colony what would YOU include? I'd love to have your input! Thanks, My first thought is that doesn't the OST say or at least imply that the country that launches an object/probe/spacecraft is responsible for said object? And whatever rule of law applies to that country would apply to said object? Until the object declares independance, sure. Even before then though, the local administration would probably have to make a few laws that don't apply on earth. For example, laws against wasting air or failing to use all the handholds when descending a vertical tube (because you might pick up too much speed and collide with someone below you.) |
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 05:53:10 -0700, Space Cadet wrote:
Hi All Got this email from a friend of mine: Hi all, I am working on a new lesson for my second graders focusing on Moon Laws. If YOU were given the task of creating a constitution, laws, bill of rights for people in a future lunar colony what would YOU include? I'd love to have your input! Thanks, My first thought is that doesn't the OST say or at least imply that the country that launches an object/probe/spacecraft is responsible for said object? And whatever rule of law applies to that country would apply to said object? Even if you would go with a privately funded moon colony. That company would be based on some nation on Earth, and whatever laws apply to that country would apply to the colony? What about an international colony, would it be the country that funds most of the colony? Or do international laws/treaties apply hear? What is the setup for ISS? Just my $0.02 Space Cadet derwetzelsDASHspacecadetATyahooDOTcom Moon Society - St. Louis Chapter http://www.moonsociety.org/chapters/stlouis/ The Moon Society is a non-profit educational and scientific foundation formed to further scientific study and development of the moon. Why are you concerned with the concrete in favor of the abstract? A hypothetical constitution for a lunar sovereignty, irrespective of it's earthly heritage, has the potential to set forth grandiosee generalities regarding human behavior. And you're concerned where the laws come from???? |
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"Space Cadet" wrote in message
ps.com... Hi All Got this email from a friend of mine: Hi all, I am working on a new lesson for my second graders focusing on Moon Laws. If YOU were given the task of creating a constitution, laws, bill of rights for people in a future lunar colony what would YOU include? I'd love to have your input! Thanks, My first thought is that doesn't the OST say or at least imply that the country that launches an object/probe/spacecraft is responsible for said object? And whatever rule of law applies to that country would apply to said object? Even if you would go with a privately funded moon colony. That company would be based on some nation on Earth, and whatever laws apply to that country would apply to the colony? What about an international colony, would it be the country that funds most of the colony? Or do international laws/treaties apply hear? What is the setup for ISS? Just my $0.02 Space Cadet derwetzelsDASHspacecadetATyahooDOTcom Moon Society - St. Louis Chapter http://www.moonsociety.org/chapters/stlouis/ The Moon Society is a non-profit educational and scientific foundation formed to further scientific study and development of the moon. Given that any puncture of a habitat or space suit is potentially fatal for all inhabitants, I'd definitely include in the constitution or body of law a ban on private ownership of firearms. -- Mike Dworetsky (Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply) |
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On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:09:05 +0100, "Mike Dworetsky"
wrote: "Space Cadet" wrote in message ups.com... Hi All Got this email from a friend of mine: Hi all, I am working on a new lesson for my second graders focusing on Moon Laws. If YOU were given the task of creating a constitution, laws, bill of rights for people in a future lunar colony what would YOU include? I'd love to have your input! Thanks, My first thought is that doesn't the OST say or at least imply that the country that launches an object/probe/spacecraft is responsible for said object? And whatever rule of law applies to that country would apply to said object? Even if you would go with a privately funded moon colony. That company would be based on some nation on Earth, and whatever laws apply to that country would apply to the colony? What about an international colony, would it be the country that funds most of the colony? Or do international laws/treaties apply hear? What is the setup for ISS? Just my $0.02 Space Cadet derwetzelsDASHspacecadetATyahooDOTcom Moon Society - St. Louis Chapter http://www.moonsociety.org/chapters/stlouis/ The Moon Society is a non-profit educational and scientific foundation formed to further scientific study and development of the moon. Given that any puncture of a habitat or space suit is potentially fatal for all inhabitants, I'd definitely include in the constitution or body of law a ban on private ownership of firearms. And a guarantee of the right to bear swords. Swords are cool. |
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In article om, kaw211
@gmail.com says... Even if you would go with a privately funded moon colony. That company would be based on some nation on Earth, and whatever laws apply to that country would apply to the colony? Worst case the company could pick the country that it was based on like ships do today. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberian_Companies |
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On Oct 7, 1:40 pm, "Logan Kearsley" wrote:
Yes, but... that doesn't mean that the people living in the colony have to agree with the Earthlings who signed that treaty. They could just declare themselves soveriegn and say "*we* never signed the OST, so bugger off". Or, if they don't form an independent nation, there's still nothing to stop the originating nation from passing new space-specific laws different from those that operate in their territory on Earth. -l. ------------------------------------ My inbox is a sacred shrine, none shall enter that are not worthy. I'm guessing, who their Sovereignecy(sp) be reconized by anyone else? Since the formation of the UN, has there be a case of a former colony declaring itself independence? What mechanisms are in place at the UN to reconize a new country. The only new country that comes mind off the top of my head is Israel and there has been 'some' controversy over its formation ;^) I don't see any problem with Laws that are specific to life on a colony, like maybe an Air/Oxygen/life support tax, thou I could see a few that might become controversal back home, like for a Lunar colony to become more selfsufficent it might decide to legalize the growing of hemp for all its useful by products. Also maybe to increase tourism, some intrepid explorer(s) might discover that zero gee sex is overrated and Lunar gravity is where its at! ;^) Just my $0.02 Space Cadet derwetzelsDASHspacecadetATyahooDOTcom Moon Society - St. Louis Chapter http://www.moonsociety.org/chapters/stlouis/ The Moon Society is a non-profit educational and scientific foundation formed to further scientific study and development of the moon. |
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BernardZ wrote:
: :Worst case the company could pick the country that it was based on like :ships do today. : In the case of space, that doesn't save you unless all your people are willing to give up their citizenship. -- "It's always different. It's always complex. But at some point, somebody has to draw the line. And that somebody is always me.... I am the law." -- Buffy, The Vampire Slayer |
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