Free "Is Pluto a Planet?" fact sheet for teachers online

A free fact sheet summarizing arguments both for and against Pluto's
planethood is now available for teachers and others interested in the Pluto
controversy. This is a PDF file that can be downloaded from
http://www.boydsmillspress.com/pluto.pdf . Please allow a couple minutes to
download.

Correct email: MagnificentUniverse "at" yahoo "dot" com.

What controversy !!

The empiricists hailed Pluto as a discovery predicted by Newton's
ballistic agenda -

http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~...and_Pluto.html

They discovered that it was an embarrassement,far too small so they
tried to take it away from dumb astrophotographers who happen to give
themselves the title of 'astronomners'.

Controversy,try mediocrity on a grand scale.

"Magnificent Universe" wrote:
A free fact sheet summarizing arguments both for and against Pluto's
planethood is now available for teachers and others interested in the Pluto
controversy. This is a PDF file that can be downloaded from
http://www.boydsmillspress.com/pluto.pdf . Please allow a couple minutes to
download.
Correct email: MagnificentUniverse "at" yahoo "dot" com.

I'd take issue with a couple the yes-no arguments.

Orbit: The "yes" argument doesn't address the fact that Pluto's orbit
is so eccentric that it crosses Neptune's orbit. Alone, a simliar
eccentricity in another planet's orbit is a different argument.

KBO: You mention Eris as being larger than Pluto, then say that's
reason for Pluto being a planet. But not Eris? And there could be
larger objects yet - should they also be classified as planets? And
although Pluto is very large as KBOs go, that doesn't mean Pluto
should necessarily follow as being a planet. For example, Ceres is
very large (even spherical) for asteroids, but it is not called a
planet.

An additional argument could be made regarding classical planets vs.
modern, and the detection methods. Pluto has been a planet for over 7
decades, and was the largest body discovered by film photography and
manual inspection of the photographs by mechanical blink-comparator.
Basically, it was the last, largest, body discovered by a combination
of analog/mechanical/human collaboration. Now it's done by computer,
such as digital imaging.

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122.38W, 47.58N, W. Seattle, WA
http://flavorj.com/~skysea

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Magnificent Universe wrote:
A free fact sheet summarizing arguments both for and against Pluto's
planethood is now available for teachers and others interested in the Pluto
controversy. This is a PDF file that can be downloaded from
http://www.boydsmillspress.com/pluto.pdf . Please allow a couple minutes to
download.

That fact sheet "forgets" to mention the fact that Ceres, Pallas, Juno and Vesta
were considered to be "planets" during the first half of the 1800's. Then a
large number of additional asteroids were discovered, and Ceres, Pallas, Juno
and Vesta lost their planetary status.

Now, this process is repeated for the "second asteroid belt", i.e. the Kuiper
belt. Some 150 years ago, there were probably people who didn't like that
Ceres, Pallas, Juno, Vesta lost their planetary status, for the same emotional
resonas that some people today want to continue considering Pluto a planet.
But 150 years into the future, people will be used to Pluto not being a planet,
just like we today are used to Ceres, Pallas, Juno, Vesta not being planets.

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SkySea wrote:

"Magnificent Universe" wrote:
A free fact sheet summarizing arguments both for and against Pluto's
planethood is now available for teachers and others interested in the Pluto
controversy. This is a PDF file that can be downloaded from
http://www.boydsmillspress.com/pluto.pdf . Please allow a couple minutes to
download.
Correct email: MagnificentUniverse "at" yahoo "dot" com.

I'd take issue with a couple the yes-no arguments.

Orbit: The "yes" argument doesn't address the fact that Pluto's orbit
is so eccentric that it crosses Neptune's orbit. Alone, a simliar
eccentricity in another planet's orbit is a different argument.

He could also have addressed the 17-degree inclination of Pluto's orbit, which
is more than twice the 7-degree inclination of Mercury's orbit.

KBO: You mention Eris as being larger than Pluto, then say that's
reason for Pluto being a planet. But not Eris?

Actually, he does suggest Eris being a planet too -- read his sheet more
carefully.

And there could be larger objects yet

Most likely there *are* larger objects there, not yet discovered.

- should they also be classified as planets?

He thinks they too should be called "planets".

And although Pluto is very large as KBOs go, that doesn't mean Pluto
should necessarily follow as being a planet. For example, Ceres is
very large (even spherical) for asteroids, but it is not called a
planet.

Ceres (along with Pallas, Juno, Vesta) were called "planets" during
the first half of the 1800's, i.e. during the time these four were the
only known asteroids. Then a large number of additional asteroids
were discovered, and Ceres, Pallas, Juno and Vesta lost their planetary
status.

Today, Pluto losing its planetary status is in a way just a repetition
of the process some 150 years ago, when Ceres, Pallas, Juno and Vesta
lost their planetary status. And it's basically for the same reason:
Ceres, Pallas, Juno and Vesta were not alone, there were many more
asteroids. And Pluto wasn't alone either, there were many more KBO's.
The number of known KBO's today even exceeds the number of known
asteroids in the 1950's, some 100 years after Ceres, Pallas, Juno, Vesta
lost their planetary status.


An additional argument could be made regarding classical planets vs.
modern, and the detection methods.

..... I *don't* think the detection method should influence the
classification of the detected object....

Pluto has been a planet for over 7 decades, and was the largest body
discovered by film photography and manual inspection of the photographs
by mechanical blink-comparator.

True

Basically, it was the last, largest, body discovered by a combination
of analog/mechanical/human collaboration.

False!

It wasn't last - many asteroids, plus several moons of planets, were
discovered later with similar techniques.

And it wasn't biggest - Uranus and Neptune were bigger. Yes, they too
were discovered by a "combination of analog/mechanical/human collaboration",
although these observations were visual rather than photographic. But
the methods were analog, and both mechanics and humans were involved.

Now it's done by computer, such as digital imaging.

Today computers are indeed an indispensible observational tool. But
the process isn't yet fully automated to the point that the computers
"rings a bell" (or automatically emails the IAU) to announce the
discovery of a new planet or other celestial object. The decision
whether any new object has been discovered or not is still being made
by humans. And analog techniques (e.g. the telescope optics) as well
as mechanics (e.g. the scope mounting) are both still involved.


Perhaps some time in the future we will have a super-CCD chip mounted
horizontally and above that an all-sky lens, all in a fixed mounting
pointing the optics straight upwards, and then have software which
determines observational parameters such as image scale, RA/Dec of
center of image, magnification, aperture, wavelength band, etc -- all
without any moving mechanical parts. This would be vaguely similar to
today's "software radio" (which uses generic hardware and then lets
software determine wavelength band, method of demodulation, etc - this
has been made possible by DSP's. digital signal processors). But
we're far from such a "software scope" yet - perhaps we must first wait
until the DSP's can operate at light frequencies?



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e-mail: pausch at stockholm dot bostream dot se
WWW: http://stjarnhimlen.se/

SkySea writes:

For example, Ceres is very large (even spherical) for asteroids, but
it is not called a planet.

Actually, it was called a planet for decades prior to the IAU's
ill-founded decision in August. Usually the noun was accompanied
by the adjective "minor", but such an adjective usually modifies
the noun and does not negate it.

Until August, our Solar System had a couple hundred thousand planets
in it. Nine of them were considered "major" and the rest "minor".
The IAU did away with all but eight of them, because some members
didn't think Pluto was big enough to be called a planet, and because
others didn't think Pluto was sufficiently isolated to be considered
a dominant object. Paradoxically, those members do still consider
a white dwarf to be a star, even though it is much smaller than a
red supergiant, and by a larger ratio than Pluto to Jupiter, and
they still consider those luminous objects in a globular cluster to
be stars, even though they are not isolated objects.

And by logical extension, Janus and Epimetheus should be called
"dwarf satellites" of Saturn, because they haven't cleared out
their mutual zone around Saturn. To be consistent, dwarf satellites
wouldn't be satellites.

The IAU sure made a mess of things, didn't it?

Paul Schlyter writes:

That fact sheet "forgets" to mention the fact that Ceres, Pallas, Juno and Vesta
were considered to be "planets" during the first half of the 1800's.

And all of the 1900s. And the first few years of the 2000s.

Then a large number of additional asteroids were discovered, and Ceres, Pallas,
Juno and Vesta lost their planetary status.

Incorrect; they were called "minor" planets. That does not constitute loss
of planetary status. It constitutes loss of "major" planetary status. There's
a big difference.

But 150 years into the future, people will be used to Pluto not being a planet,
just like we today are used to Ceres, Pallas, Juno, Vesta not being planets.

On the contrary, those asteroids have not been planets for only a few months.
How can you say we're used to it already? Heck, the Minor Planet Center hasn't
even changed its name to the Small Solar System Bodies Center yet.

Paul Schlyter writes:

Today, Pluto losing its planetary status is in a way just a repetition
of the process some 150 years ago, when Ceres, Pallas, Juno and Vesta
lost their planetary status. And it's basically for the same reason:
Ceres, Pallas, Juno and Vesta were not alone, there were many more
asteroids.

No doubt you also favor Janus and Epimetheus being stripped of their
Saturnian satellites status for the same reason: they are not alone
in their shared orbit around Saturn.

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No doubt you also favor Janus and Epimetheus being stripped of their
Saturnian satellites status for the same reason: they are not alone
in their shared orbit around Saturn.

There's no question about whether Pluto is a satellite of the sun.

-- Richard



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Richard Tobin writes:

No doubt you also favor Janus and Epimetheus being stripped of their
Saturnian satellites status for the same reason: they are not alone
in their shared orbit around Saturn.

There's no question about whether Pluto is a satellite of the sun.

Satellites of stars have historically been called planets.