.. What if Tom Hanks filmed the...Future...of NASA instead of it's past?

On Jun 25, 1:54 pm, Williamknowsbest wrote:
Listen you flaming asshole, if you can erect a $28 billion coal to
liquids facility in LESS than 10 years - I'll pay you a considerable
sum to do it.

I don't think ANY alternative energy program has had this much spent
on it. Furthermore, I think if you took ALL the alternative energy
programs TOGETHER they wouldn't add up to $28 billion -

and I have EIGHT programs like this underway worldwide.

So, please forgive me for saying **** YOU and the horse you rode in on
you ignorant savage.

On Jun 25, 2:12 pm, BradGuth wrote:

And so little if anything of "Williamknowsbest" has yet to directly
benefit another living or soon to be prematurely dead soul.

Even our Zionist/Nazi DARPA (aka New World Order) has been doing a
better job than Williamknowsbest.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

We do need to create a vast surplus of green and renewable energy
that’ll get the most out of our remaining fossil and biofuel/synfuel
spendy alternatives, while creating the least amount of CO2 and zero
NOx per KW.hr in the process. Hydrogen and atmosphere alone can not
entirely accomplish this without creating NOx, but then green/
renewable hydrogen peroxide along with having to consume as little as
15% fossil or biofuel/synfuel is looking rather good, as well h2o2/
aluminum usage as fuel/energy cells can fill many other portable
energy demanding applications, such as personal transportation and
light recreational demands. We also need a viable national energy
grid to match our 15% portion of the future global 100 TW worth of
government, commercial and private electrical energy demands.

For safety and energy efficiency on behalf of private homes, offices
and commercial operations need to become as much electrified as
possible, as well as taken from our new and improved national (meaning
interstate/federal) power grids, with remote pocket communities using
thorium and a host of perfectly viable forms of renewable alternatives
(if need be including those vast farms of Mook PVs).

On Jun 25, 1:54 pm, Williamknowsbest wrote:
Listen you flaming asshole, if you can erect a $28 billion coal to
liquids facility in LESS than 10 years - I'll pay you a considerable
sum to do it.

At best (Yiddish balls to the wall), we have 100 years of converting
our best quality coal and another 100 years of medium to poor quality
coal to convert. Then what final century of fossil dregs are we
talking about? (lowest grade coal and shale conversions at 10 tonnes
per tonne of liquid fuel?)

Converting oily sands, oily muck and oily rock/shale into usable road
asphalt, aviation, marine shipping, commercial truck, bus and private
transportation and recreational usage of various liquid fuels is
technically doable, as long as continued CO2 pollution (including NOx
and multiple other toxins plus radiation) at $10+/gallon and $1/kwhr
isn't a problem. Actually, by the end of 100 years from now and with
China plus India taking up the global lions share, we'll be thanking
our lucky stars if such liquid fuel is only at $10/gallon, because
more than likely it'll be headed towards the WWIII $100/gallon mark,
and otherwise our electrical energy looking good at $10/kwhr, mostly
because wind, tidal, solar and geothermal as well as thorium and 3He/
fusion derived energy doesn't make weapons grade fuel for
accommodating your WWIII, WWIV and WWV.

Running the same kind of equipment at the current levels of
performance, having the same amounts of cargo and passenger hauling
capability via your green hydrogen and fuel cells is a spendy joke,
unless utilized as direct combustion along with atmosphere that'll
involve our having to capture and/or convert all of that pesky NOx,
not to mention dealing with the required volumetric factors of those
bulky hydrogen fuel tanks in order to match the 350+ mile automotive
cruising range would tend to make any such combination not the least
bit comparable, especially if we’re stuck with having the conventional
4-cycle ICE involved with turning them wheels at perhaps 15% thermal
dynamic efficiency.

Your less than vapor kind of green hydrogen that'll seemingly never
come to past unless your offshore bank accounts are getting stuffed
with our hard earned public loot is very ENRON/ExxonMobil of
yourself. DARPA is obviously quite proud of their brown-nosed minions
and fellow rusemasters like yourself, but then so would their Hitler
have been impressed.

Williamknowsbest:
I don't think ANY alternative energy program has had this much spent
on it. Furthermore, I think if you took ALL the alternative energy
programs TOGETHER they wouldn't add up to $28 billion -

and I have EIGHT programs like this underway worldwide.

So, please forgive me for saying **** YOU and the horse you rode in on
you ignorant savage.

At least I'm not the one telling lies, excluding evidence and
otherwise pretending that I'm somebody that’s worth some extra “$28
billion(x8)” special that I'm not. I'm also not intellectually skewed
or otherwise manic bipolar enough to have worked for the likes of your
Hitler or those of your New World Order of trickle-up economy that
specifically favors and otherwise directly benefits the uppermost 0.1%
(or less). BTW, coal gasification is not a Williamknowsbest (aka
William Mook) invention, nor is PV derived energy.

Obviously those Zionist/Nazi folks have always been darn good at
converting coal into synfuel, because it's what gave their puppet
Hitler exactly what was needed at the time, including their makings of
hydrogen peroxide(h2o2) that's so downright nifty for so many things
besides enhanced combustion.

Perhaps a greener and cleaner world of 25% renewable hydrogen, 50%
renewable hydrogen peroxide, 20% nuclear/fusion and 5% fossil/synfuel
is affordably sustainable without the use of those faith-based
perpetrated wars or other lethal and collateral damaging alternatives.

Of course, in the Williamknowsbest pretend-atheist mindset that is
forever hell bent upon forgetting about your sorted past, especially
the past of those upper most 0.1% that you continually brown-nose,
whereas in your skewed mindset is where the New World Order as the
ultimate goal of Mook always justifies the means. In other words, the
New World Order of lord Mook is almost complete as long as the public
in general can be forever snookered and dumbfounded past the point of
no return.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

On Jun 25, 5:07 pm, "jonathan" wrote:
"Williamknowsbest" wrote in message

...

You've explained why helicopters today aren't being widely used and
elided any reference to potential growth... which if investments were
made in this technology, would result in improvements in the features
you speak about.

The future by William was remarkable! And the standard response
just as sound. Which is typically along the lines, in some manner or
another...."How ya' gonna get enough energy to do...that"?

Please never forget what fuels such dreams of future possibilities.

The same thing that inspired all those Trekkian dreams of
properity and justice......an unlimited and cheap supply of
clean energy.....those magical di-lithium crystals.
And voila almost anything is possible.

Without it, dreams go up in smoke.

Instead of detailing an ideal future, as William did so well, by
starting from the present and steadily expanding into the future.
I would do the opposite, because predicting the future of a
real world system is the hardest thing to do of all.

I would begin by clearly defining the...abstract...properties an
ideal future should display. Just as an ideal society would be
an unstable equilibrium between the ....law...and...freedom.
Which in abstract are the forces for ....order....and.....chaos.

An ideal future should have the very same relationship but within
the ultimate paradigm involving the human condition.

A future where our ...resources and ...imagination are in balance.
But not only in equilibrium with each other, but also at simultaneous
maximums. The other necessary condition for self organization.

Resouces and Imagination

A future where the human race is limited only by it's
abilities, it's collective wisdom and imagination, not by
resources.

Imagination and intellect thrives best under a free society, so it's
world-wide democracy, and unlimited, clean and cheap energy
that needs to become a reality.

For the long term future, does anyone doubt that solar power
in some form will replace 'burning the earth' as a source of
that ideal energy?

Why not make the inevitable a reality as soon as possible?

Democracy and Space Solar Power.

Freedom for our body, mind and soul.

I wouldn't dare go into much more detail. The butterfly
effect and all means just a whiff of inaccuracy and
the future extrapolations go up in smoke.

Jonathan

"I Bet with every Wind that blew, till Nature in chagrin
Employed a Fact to visit me and scuttle my Balloon!"

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It's not that our DARPA Mook isn't capable of fully utilizing the
expertise and public funded resources of others, so much as it has to
be 100% Mook, or else.

If lord Mook were God, energy would become safe, clean and free for
all to use. Of course we'd all have to become Einsteins' in order to
qualify for using such Mook energy.

Since Mook is not God, it seems his offshore bank accounts must first
be stuffed with our hard earned loot, and then all the good things
accredited to William Mook, along with all the bad things accredited
to Muslims or whatever faith-based groups other than Zionist/Jewish.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

On Jun 22, 10:36*am, Dave Michelson wrote:
Pat Flannery wrote:

C3 wrote:
The first step would be to colonize Mars. *McCain has talked about
sending a shuttle to Mars.

Then McCain knows even less about the Shuttle than he does about computers.

Shame on you Pat! *Giving credence to such a distortion.

Hint: In order to maintain a strong U.S. presence in space, McCain
supports: (1) extension of the shuttle program past 2010, (2) a manned
mission to Mars and (3) more funding to support the above.

--
Dave Michelson


An extension of the shuttle program? Yikes those Dinos
are getting old. Then McCain should pilot ever mission.

On Jun 26, 5:08*pm, American wrote:
On Jun 26, 10:08*am, "
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On Jun 26, 8:46*am, American wrote:

On Jun 25, 6:27*pm, "
wrote:

On Jun 25, 11:52*am, Williamknowsbest wrote:

You've explained why helicopters today aren't being widely used and
elided any reference to potential growth... which if investments were
made in this technology, would result in improvements in the features
you speak about.

* *People with ALL heavier-than-air technology, including cars have
greatly overestimated
* *their abiliity with future technology.
* *Which is mostly why the brighter people turned their wasted garages
* *in computer and laser factories.
* *And turned their houses into PV Cell Solariums.
* *And turned their idiot malls into Hologram outlets,
* *And turned their bridge companies into titaniium companies.
* *And tunred their idiot electric companies into microwave companies.
* *And turned their idiot schools into philosophy satellites.
* *And turned their idiot army into cell phone repairmen.
* *And turned their idiot coal companies into robot dodgers.
.

Just like old cars in junkyards, highway infrastructures should be-
come outdated as skycars become popular. However, it would seem
that the current highway infrastructure completely opposes gutting
the system of pork-barreled costs to mass transit, as well as gut-
ting the ensuing environmentalist purge on whatever free market
system of capitalism that might get in the way.

Paul Moller - not Barack Obama, or John McCain, needs to be
elected President. This will have the effect like the multinational
companies had with Bush - unless the political infighting between
the Moller protective associates conflicted with the Blackwater
associates, then all hell would break loose. The price of gasoline
would not be controlled enough with Moller's innovation into the
transportational infrastructure, because just about every borough,
town, and city, foreign and national, would have to eventually for-
feit a large portion of their tax infrastructure to non-pork
projects (an impossibility with entitlement bureaucracies like
ours).

Therefore, due to "unforseen circumstances", the price of gasoline
would immediately rise to over $10.00/gallon, prompting most people
to stay at home instead of driving to work.

* *Many people are finding that an exellent oppurtunity regardless of
fuel prices.
* *Since the governemnt jerks not only have gasoline prices rigged,
* *they have insurance premiums, and home heating prices rigged also.
* *Which is why internet, PV Cells,digitaltheatre, GPS, Cruise
Missiles,
* *Adaptive A.I. *blue lasers, non-idiot robotics, and Stem Cells
catch on so
* *quickly with morons.

*The price of gasoline

would not have to go up right away, but because of the threat that
President Moller faced from the transnationalists, instead of
advancing the civilization, continued to retard development against
clean and cheap energy, so that only the rich are hovering to work
in the M-200X, while the poor of us are left to fend for ourselves.

No, the Day of the Golden Calf is already upon us.

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I must apologise about the en.wikipedia.org'd version of the Skycar
market. Servers like 'en.wikipedia.org' only offer the populist inter-
pretation - the bureaucratic, SEC one. Hear the truth from the inven-
tor's own mouth, and you'll see today what he's still up against:

*In response to the abovementioned SEC complaint, Dr. Moller
*explains the case to The Wall Street Transcript:

*TWST: Looking back over the years as you’ve worked on these
*things, has there been any controversy? I read that the SEC
*issued a complaint.

*Dr. Moller: That’s correct.

*TWST: Could you explain that?

*Dr. Moller: Yes. Any non-public company (which we were early on)
*that raises money from what we would call angel investors or
*any investors has to raise it under certain SEC regulations that
*require you to determine that you are dealing with sophisticated
*investors.

A lot of that is true, but it is still why the truly sophisticated
inventors
microcomputers, post neanderthal robots and lasers, adaptive AI(++
+),
GPS, non Wal-Mart Holograms, USB, and Cruise missiles for wanks
like
IBM and the SEC.




The problem is that sometimes people who become
*investors in your company will exaggerate their own net worth or
*sophistication, and it’s really up to us to determine whether
*that’s valid or not. We did have some investors come on board that
*the SEC argued were not sophisticated. Normally this kind of issue
*is resolved by providing a rescission agreement so that the in-
*vestor can get his money back plus 12% interest. We have used this
*before successfully when any issue came up. The individual we were
*dealing with within the SEC resisted this approach. We believe he
*did so knowing that the investors in question did not want their
*money back and this would have voided his case. Any small com-
*pany that has faced off against the SEC will tell you that you do
*not fight this powerful government agency. You accept a fine to
*settle. You don’t accept guilt. You’re not claimed to be guilty,
*but a fine is a way of getting rid of something that you could
*never win if you really try to defend yourself. If anybody has ex-
*perienced a fight with the IRS or the SEC, they learn quickly
*enough that, as a small company, you don’t have the government
*resources to legally fight it. The few who try always lose.

*In the SEC's repost above, they state that "The company was sup-
*posedly engaged in the development of a revolutionary personal
*aircraft, dubbed "the Skycar," that would allow a person to travel
*at speeds over 400 miles-per-hour above roadways for about the
*same price as a luxury automobile..." The Skycar exists and has
*flown on many occasions.

*The SEC is not the FAA, so they're only looking at the sale of
*stocks by Moller, not the validity of the Skycar.

*The earlier versions of the Skycar, the M200x, flew successfully
*for over 200+ flights, both in VTOL mode and in level flight.
*Only a few other aircraft have accomplished that: the Harrier AV-8,
*the Osprey, the BA609, and the F-35B Joint Strike Fighter (JSF).
*That puts Moller in some very heady company.

As I had made the statement earlier, Moller is still holding out to
those who wish to reproduce the invention material, as per a power-
ful arm of the government - the SEC - so as to engage in a war of
LICENSE in order to update whatever the FAA might or might not
have to mandate, in terms of its having to "flight certify" along
with the military and heavy commercial types of aircraft, which
is total bunk...

These vehicles, IMO require no FAA certification. (Neither do rear-
propeller semi-powered delta-wing gliders, for that matter, in most
states). Mid air collisions are much less probable when there are
several altitude levels for traffic to move through. We need neither
licenses or certifications for these machines...

The whole thing is a scam by the Fed to suck more money away
from the people that know of a better, less mass-controlled way of
transportation, but Moller is being made to look like a swindler,
when he's just a smart inventor with a better idea...

American

'Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go down, because your people, whom
*you brought up out of Egypt, have become corrupt. *They have been
*quick to turn away from what I commanded them and have made them-
*selves an idol cast in the shape of a calf. They have bowed down
*to it and sacrificed to it and have said, 'These are your gods,
*O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.'

*Exodus 32:7,8

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On Jun 25, 4:18*pm, Williamknowsbest wrote:
Ducted fans can be quieter and more efficient than free rotors of the
same diameter operating at the same rotor speeds

http://www.esotec.co.nz/hb/HTML/DuctMyths.html

Saying that winged vehicles are necessarily less efficient than
wheeled vehicles and so they cannot ever compete is like saying that
rubber tires on asphalt is necessarily less efficient than steel
wheels on steel rails so automobiles will never compete. *Obviously
long distance trucking and automobiles (along with airlines) kicked
train ass back in the 1950s and 60s. * Why? * Because efficiencies are
only one decision point in a large decision matrix. * Knowing how
these decisions are made, andengineeringsolutions not possible with
other technology, assures economic success.

For example, one thing about trains versus automobiles, automobiles
can travel pretty much anywhere a horse can - trains are limited to
tracks and stations.

Well, that is so untrue,it's why SUVs, and digital conputers, and
lasers, and fiber optics, and PV cells,
ansd robots, and USB were invented.
Since the only place cars can go, is to the same place that Exxon
can go.
Which is to the idiot Department of Transportation.




* *This gave trucks and automobiles huge
logistical advantages over trains and streetcars - which was exploited
by auto manufacturers to efficiently compete with trains. * *Airlines
are far more costly and less elegant than train travel - with many of
the logistical problems of train stations - yet they competed
effectively due to their greater speed. *Ditto for ocean travel -
despite the inefficiencies of air travel when compared to ocean going
vessels.

Point to point travel in a quiet, safe, reliable, fully automated VTOL
aircraft summoned by a GPS enabled telephone - that arrives in less
time than it takes for a long red light to change green - and delivers
up to 4 passengers with luggage to any point within a 600 mile radius
of their current location in less than 2 hours - at a cost of less
than $60 per passenger - would kick ass of airlines and automobiles -
and establish themselves as a permanent feature in the transportation
matrix - once all the elements are in place.

Moller has been ineffective because he hasn't had the $3 billion
needed to make such a system work *and likely doesn't think about his
market and so forth - merely the technical issues facing him at any
time.

Fact is, properly developed, 400,000 moller sky cars per year could be
sold world wide today - once certain features were in place. * 90% of
these would be sold to private owners - among the 9.5 million
millionaires in the world today. * 10% of these would be sold to
'network' owners - who would use half the air miles available on the
airframe personally, and pay a paltry $520 per month - and the other
half of these would be sold on a charter basis for $5 pick up fee and
$0.75 per mile distance charge.

Over a 12 year period 4.4 milion vehicles would be in service, and the
airline industry would be about 1/3 its current size - and perhaps may
not even exist in its current form.

Jumbo jets may go the way of the dirigible.

Despite supposed inefficiencies of wings versus wheels.

On Jun 25, 4:02*pm, Williamknowsbest wrote:
According to the Merrill Lynch 2007 World Wealth Report there are 9.5
million millionaires in the world and they control a total of $38.5
trillion - nearly all of which is liquid and available for investment
and consumption.

If 5% of this money was direct toward the purchase of VTOL capable
capable aircraft, that would amount to $2 trillion - and at $500,000
per copy, that would be 4 million vehicles. * Spent over a 10 year
period, that would be a production rate of 400,000 per year. * With an
airframe lifetime of 10 years - this sizes your factory.

Well, that would be an interesting economic investment if
millionaires knew anything
about aircraft other than Donald Trump.
But, since the idiots don't, that's why the smart money just still
makes,
Cruise Missiles, Drones, Robots, A.I.(+++++), Lasers, non-idiot
Holograms, and DVD+RW



Demand relative to production, sizes your price.

This is given to engineers to achieve price points and volume within
this 'production box' = there's also the recurring cost of maintaining
and operating the vehicles.

Fuel and Oil
Scheduled Maintenance Labour
Unscheduled Maintenance Labour
Engine Overhaul
Airframe Overhaul
Airframe Lifed Items

http://www.helinews.com/turbinecomparison.shtml

Say, $150 per hour - and you fly 300 mph - that's $0.50 per mile -
30,000 miles per year - that's $15,000 - which is nothing for these
folks. * Costs could be double that - and it would still be nothing.

4 million aircraft x $15,000 per year = $60 billion/yr
400,000 aircraft per year x $500,000 = $200 billion/yr

With highly automated flight controls, which Moller is talking about
it makes more sense to arrange fractional aircraft ownership, and pay
just the recurring cost - that way

So, an 'air taxi' that serviced say New York, would fly someone point
to point say 10 miles - for $10 - and make a decent profit. * This
could easily transition to a cross country flight - of say 300 miles -
for $230 - without all the hassle at the airport and such.

So a GPS enabled cell phone would call an air taxi to dispatch an
automatically guided Moller skycar to your point of call - in minutes
picking you up. * There'd be a $5 pick up fee - non-refundable - and
$0.75 per mile distance fee - all billed when you entered your
destination code during your call. * In fact, GPS derived 'waypoints'
could be stored on your phone - so that you would just select 'home'
or 'golf' or 'Laguna Fred' or 'Matt' as you desire.

How many aircars would be needed for this?

Well, here are the sales of the top 11 airlines in the world;

AirFrance *KLM * $31.0 billion
Lufthansa * * * * * *$26.5 billion
TUI * * * * * * * * * * $24.3 billion
AMR Corporation $22.6 bilion
JAL * * * * * * * * * *$18.1 billion
UAL * * * * * * * * * $18.0 billion
Delta * * * * * * * * *$17,3 billion
British Airways * *$17.0 billion
Virgin Group * * * *$08.0 billion
Cathay Pacific * * $07.7 billion

* TOTAL * * * * * * $190.5 billion

At $0.75 per mile this represents a potential market for 445 billion
miles - with up to 4 passengers - 1,780 billion seat miles - at 50%
occupancy 890 billion passenger miles.

Ride sharing options on the software would be welcome ways to increase
occupancy and reduce passenger costs. *That $230 cost could be reduced
to $62 per passenger if shared by four -each paying a 'pickup' charge.

Say a Moller based air taxi service penetrates 20% of this market -
that's 90 billion miles per year. * Limiting service to 4,383 flight
hours per year - and an average speed - of 300 mph - that's 1,314,900
miles per vehicle. *That's 68,446 vehicles. - say 80,000 vehicles -
20% of one years production

One year's production i.e 200,000 vehicles - operated tihs way - could
displace the airlines for short haul travel - while 80% of production
would fill 50% of millionaire buyers over a 10 year period - at these
prices.

Of course as prices drop, private ownership of vehicles would increase
and taxi or fractional ownership would decrease.

A 1/32nd share in a Moller Skycar at $500,000 is $15,625 - that's $150
per month over a 10 year period. * With 4,000 flight hours divided by
32 is 125 hours per year - at $150 per hour that's $1,563 per month -
$1,713 per month - which is less than the cost of some sports cars.

They could trade hours, at $0.75 -or sell to qualified outsiders for
the same price, with a $5 processing fee per trip - If they flew half
their miles and sold the other half at $0.75 - their costs would be
slashed to $541 per month - which would motivate signing up for the
deal - since that would allow them to fly 15,000 miles at about the
same cost as a new automobile.

2.56 million network owners would support 80,000 aircraft at 1/32
ownership interest in a program like this.

So, as we range from the very wealthiest of folks to the less well off
folks who have a million or less, but a decent income and credit
rating, a program can be imagined for them. *Even at today's fuel
prices.

http://www.helinews.com/turbinecomparison.shtml

Here's a plane that has VTOL capabilities and a 600 mile range and
travels at 600 mph. * Of course the cost is 100x that of Moller's
vehicle. * Yet it gives us a window of improvement we might expect for
advanced systems in the future.

With aerial refueling, or some sort of beamed power - to increase
range - if done at a reasonable cost - today's airline/airport system
would go the way of train stations - as small automated VTOL aircraft
carried people point to point.