Aether has mass

On Dec 15, 4:46*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 15, 12:52*pm, "hanson" wrote:









... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... ROTFLMAO...

Mental Patient Case #755: Michael P Cavedonaka "mpc755" wrote:

"hanson" wrote:
"Brad Guth" wrote:

Mike Cavedon mpc755 wrote:
snip crap

Brad Guth quotes and wrote:
... "Electric Charge as Aether Flow, the "electric charge"
of electrons and protons can be explained entirely
kinematically... This force, Newton’s radial component
of gravity, is actually a net negative pressure"

hanson wrote:

Instead of all that belletristic anecdotal yearning, Brad,
simple find a convincing. demonstrable reason why
the attractive force between EM (+) and (-) charges
is a fraction of 1/10^39 times stronger then is the
repelling force between like (++) or (--) charges
and you are home free to explain Gravity.
This 10^39 ratio is the long accepted Force strength
difference between EM and Gravitational processes.

You then can make a case that the Aether density
amounts to 10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which allows the
Aether to be an incompressible solid as well as
a super fluid.

The equation for that is quite simple:
Aether matter density, ........ * *D_a = (H/c)^4 * (h/c)
wherein: H = Hubble, c = Light speed, h = Planck.

OTOH, the emotional Aetherophobes believe that
*==* if something has not been measured,
*==* then it does not, cannot & is not allowed to exist,
*==* especially if one can do without it.
(--- This is known as Porker's Aethereal logic---)

Aetherophobes cannot see that the Aether issues
are just like the situation was when Science faced
it with/over the existence of Atoms.

Since antiquity humans suspected for all kind of
reasons that Atoms must exist, but they had no proof
for it, yet they went on happily down their merry ways
without the (measured) proof for the atoms' existence.

Drum roll!... The existence of Atoms was only
measured & accepted by the establishment when
Perrin got his Nobel prize for it in 1926 (twenty six).
That's only 86 year's ago! ... which was when the
technology to measure Atoms became available.

So, Brad, with the above speculation that the looked
for Aether may be making its debut soon, I afraid
that you'll have to wait till the state of the art in
metrology will be able to measure matter densities of
10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which is many, many orders shy
of what we can do now... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

Mental Patient Case #755: Michael P Cavedon wrote:
There is plenty of evidence of the aether. There is plenty
of evidence the aether waves. snip Michael Cavedon's
self-defeating, fanatical fixation and obsession

hanson wrote:

Mikey you need Proof, not Evidence. Evidence is a
manifestation open to interpretation. ... But NONE of the
authors of the examples you repost over and over has
come forward and announced that they have found the
Aether. They all know that it takes more then Mikey's
notion, that
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Thanks for the laughs, Mikey... ahahahahahanson

He has a OCD that's borderline tourette's or TS. *At any moment he's
going to either explode or implode on us.

I think the proof of aether is likely to come very soon, partially
because so much else (essentially everything else) being tested
doesn't seem to answer as to the physics of how our universe came to
be, and as to how it acts/reacts to itself. *A lot about aether seems
to be logical, at least enough to pursue, though I doubt that it's
going to replace gravity, however it could be an equal to gravity.

Photons need to either be conducted by something or else they'll need
to infinitely replicate or physically displace through something that
neither adds or takes anything away, such as the aether supersolid or
superfluid.

There is plenty of evidence of the aether. There is plenty of evidence
the aether waves. There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter.
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is the aether. What waves
out ahead of the heliosphere is the aether. The offset between the
light lensing through the space neighboring galaxy clusters and the
galaxy clusters themselves is caused by the galaxy clusters moving
through and displacing the aether. It is the aether displaced by the
solar system which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
the solar system which is causing the magnetic field to pile up.

In a double slit experiment it is the aether which waves.

On Dec 15, 5:07*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 15, 1:58*pm, "hanson" wrote:

"mpc755" wrote
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Thanks for the laughs, Mikey... ahahahahahanson

OCD is all about having the very last word. *Too bad that any new
science isn't going the way it should in order to further support
aether, outside of his parrot speak.

There is plenty of evidence of the aether. There is plenty of evidence
the aether waves. There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter.
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is the aether. What waves
out ahead of the heliosphere is the aether. The offset between the
light lensing through the space neighboring galaxy clusters and the
galaxy clusters themselves is caused by the galaxy clusters moving
through and displacing the aether. It is the aether displaced by the
solar system which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
the solar system which is causing the magnetic field to pile up.

In a double slit experiment it is the aether which waves.

On Dec 15, 5:56*pm, mpc755 wrote:
On Dec 15, 5:07*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Dec 15, 1:58*pm, "hanson" wrote:

"mpc755" wrote
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Thanks for the laughs, Mikey... ahahahahahanson

OCD is all about having the very last word. *Too bad that any new
science isn't going the way it should in order to further support
aether, outside of his parrot speak.

There is plenty of evidence of the aether. There is plenty of evidence
the aether waves. There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter.
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is the aether. What waves
out ahead of the heliosphere is the aether. The offset between the
light lensing through the space neighboring galaxy clusters and the
galaxy clusters themselves is caused by the galaxy clusters moving
through and displacing the aether. It is the aether displaced by the
solar system which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
the solar system which is causing the magnetic field to pile up.

In a double slit experiment it is the aether which waves.

Two photons so close we think as one.That I used fo the two slits. Now
the photon has been split . I want the Nobel. TeBet

On Dec 15, 2:55*pm, mpc755 wrote:
On Dec 15, 4:46*pm, Brad Guth wrote:









On Dec 15, 12:52*pm, "hanson" wrote:

... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... ROTFLMAO...

Mental Patient Case #755: Michael P Cavedonaka "mpc755" wrote:

"hanson" wrote:
"Brad Guth" wrote:

Mike Cavedon mpc755 wrote:
snip crap

Brad Guth quotes and wrote:
... "Electric Charge as Aether Flow, the "electric charge"
of electrons and protons can be explained entirely
kinematically... This force, Newton’s radial component
of gravity, is actually a net negative pressure"

hanson wrote:

Instead of all that belletristic anecdotal yearning, Brad,
simple find a convincing. demonstrable reason why
the attractive force between EM (+) and (-) charges
is a fraction of 1/10^39 times stronger then is the
repelling force between like (++) or (--) charges
and you are home free to explain Gravity.
This 10^39 ratio is the long accepted Force strength
difference between EM and Gravitational processes.

You then can make a case that the Aether density
amounts to 10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which allows the
Aether to be an incompressible solid as well as
a super fluid.

The equation for that is quite simple:
Aether matter density, ........ * *D_a = (H/c)^4 * (h/c)
wherein: H = Hubble, c = Light speed, h = Planck.

OTOH, the emotional Aetherophobes believe that
*==* if something has not been measured,
*==* then it does not, cannot & is not allowed to exist,
*==* especially if one can do without it.
(--- This is known as Porker's Aethereal logic---)

Aetherophobes cannot see that the Aether issues
are just like the situation was when Science faced
it with/over the existence of Atoms.

Since antiquity humans suspected for all kind of
reasons that Atoms must exist, but they had no proof
for it, yet they went on happily down their merry ways
without the (measured) proof for the atoms' existence.

Drum roll!... The existence of Atoms was only
measured & accepted by the establishment when
Perrin got his Nobel prize for it in 1926 (twenty six).
That's only 86 year's ago! ... which was when the
technology to measure Atoms became available.

So, Brad, with the above speculation that the looked
for Aether may be making its debut soon, I afraid
that you'll have to wait till the state of the art in
metrology will be able to measure matter densities of
10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which is many, many orders shy
of what we can do now... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

Mental Patient Case #755: Michael P Cavedon wrote:
There is plenty of evidence of the aether. There is plenty
of evidence the aether waves. snip Michael Cavedon's
self-defeating, fanatical fixation and obsession

hanson wrote:

Mikey you need Proof, not Evidence. Evidence is a
manifestation open to interpretation. ... But NONE of the
authors of the examples you repost over and over has
come forward and announced that they have found the
Aether. They all know that it takes more then Mikey's
notion, that
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Thanks for the laughs, Mikey... ahahahahahanson

He has a OCD that's borderline tourette's or TS. *At any moment he's
going to either explode or implode on us.

I think the proof of aether is likely to come very soon, partially
because so much else (essentially everything else) being tested
doesn't seem to answer as to the physics of how our universe came to
be, and as to how it acts/reacts to itself. *A lot about aether seems
to be logical, at least enough to pursue, though I doubt that it's
going to replace gravity, however it could be an equal to gravity.

Photons need to either be conducted by something or else they'll need
to infinitely replicate or physically displace through something that
neither adds or takes anything away, such as the aether supersolid or
superfluid.

There is plenty of evidence of the aether. There is plenty of evidence
the aether waves. There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter.
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is the aether. What waves
out ahead of the heliosphere is the aether. The offset between the
light lensing through the space neighboring galaxy clusters and the
galaxy clusters themselves is caused by the galaxy clusters moving
through and displacing the aether. It is the aether displaced by the
solar system which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
the solar system which is causing the magnetic field to pile up.

In a double slit experiment it is the aether which waves.

Yes, yes and yes, except there's hardly if any proof of aether
representing the source or cause of gravity. For one thing,
supposedly its supersolid density is incredibly slight, and since it's
not really moving at any differential velocity in relationship to us
here on Earth, means that such an incredibly slight amount of aether
density probably can't be detected as for causing or even reacting
with local gravity. However on a vast cosmic scale of galaxies moving
through or along with aether is where all sorts of interesting
manifestations could be revealed, such as lensing might be caused by
the displacement of aether instead of by the ever increasing number of
those positive ions of helium.

How does any point-source electron or positron act/react to aether, or
vise versa?

Are atoms in any way made of or function because of aether?

On Dec 15, 4:42*pm, "G=EMC^2" wrote:
On Dec 15, 5:56*pm, mpc755 wrote:









On Dec 15, 5:07*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Dec 15, 1:58*pm, "hanson" wrote:

"mpc755" wrote
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Thanks for the laughs, Mikey... ahahahahahanson

OCD is all about having the very last word. *Too bad that any new
science isn't going the way it should in order to further support
aether, outside of his parrot speak.

There is plenty of evidence of the aether. There is plenty of evidence
the aether waves. There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter.
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is the aether. What waves
out ahead of the heliosphere is the aether. The offset between the
light lensing through the space neighboring galaxy clusters and the
galaxy clusters themselves is caused by the galaxy clusters moving
through and displacing the aether. It is the aether displaced by the
solar system which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
the solar system which is causing the magnetic field to pile up.

In a double slit experiment it is the aether which waves.

Two photons so close we think as one.That I used fo the two slits. Now
the photon has been split . I want the Nobel. *TeBet

Splitting photons is a pretty nifty trick, especially if they each
have the exact same frequency and were created from the split of an
original photon of the same frequency, instead of a derivative from a
double or half frequency photon.

"Brad Guth" wrote:
Mike Cavedon mpc755 wrote:
snip crap

Brad Guth quotes and wrote:
.... "Electric Charge as Aether Flow, the "electric charge"
of electrons and protons can be explained entirely
kinematically... This force, Newton's radial component
of gravity, is actually a net negative pressure"

hanson wrote:
Instead of all that belletristic anecdotal yearning, Brad,
simple find a convincing. demonstrable reason why
the attractive force between EM (+) and (-) charges
is a fraction of 1/10^39 times stronger then is the
repelling force between like (++) or (--) charges
and you are home free to explain Gravity.
This 10^39 ratio is the long accepted Force strength
difference between EM and Gravitational processes.

You then can make a case that the Aether density
amounts to 10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which allows the
Aether to be an incompressible solid as well as
a super fluid.

The equation for that is quite simple:
Aether matter density, ........ D_a = (H/c)^4 * (h/c)
wherein: H = Hubble, c = Light speed, h = Planck.


OTOH, the emotional Aetherophobes believe that
*==* if something has not been measured,
*==* then it does not, cannot & is not allowed to exist,
*==* especially if one can do without it.
(--- This is known as Porker's Aethereal logic---)

Aetherophobes cannot see that the Aether issues
are just like the situation was when Science faced
it with/over the existence of Atoms.

Since antiquity humans suspected for all kind of
reasons that Atoms must exist, but they had no proof
for it, yet they went on happily down their merry ways
without the (measured) proof for the atoms' existence.

Drum roll!... The existence of Atoms was only
measured & accepted by the establishment when
Perrin got his Nobel prize for it in 1926 (twenty six).
That's only 86 year's ago! ... which was when the
technology to measure Atoms became available.

So, Brad, with the above speculation that the looked
for Aether may be making its debut soon, I afraid
that you'll have to wait till the state of the art in
metrology will be able to measure matter densities of
10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which is many, many orders shy
of what we can do now... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

Brad wrote:
Any chance that the mass of a 1000 nm photon is
1e-174 g, or somewhat less?

hanson wrote:
1 nm = 10^-9 meters which is your Lambda that
relates to c = L* f, or f = c/L, hence
E = h*f or E = h*c/L, and
m = E/c^2 or ___ m = h/(L*c) __ .
So, run the #s, Brad, and convince yourself, if you
believe in the school of thought that photons have
a rest mass, according to the above classic notion.
But what does that have to do with the Aether?

Brad wote:
I think the proof of aether is likely to come very soon, partially
because so much else (essentially everything else) being tested
doesn't seem to answer as to the physics of how our universe came to
be, and as to how it acts/reacts to itself. A lot about aether seems
to be logical, at least enough to pursue, though I doubt that it's
going to replace gravity, however it could be an equal to gravity.

Photons need to either be conducted by something or else they'll need
to infinitely replicate or physically displace through something that
neither adds or takes anything away, such as the aether supersolid or
superfluid.

hanson wrote:
Think what you wish, Brad. That is cool! But Physics is
99.99% trial-&-error engineering. And that is what counts.
A jump in metrology for a sensitivity increase of just 10 fold
is rare and hard to come by. There are no recipes on
how to do that. Mostly serendipity provides the next step.

The PROOF that shows the existence of an Aether will
be the most monumental achievement in physics for the
last 150 years. All,... Einstein, QM, St-Model... adios!

So go ahead & propose a nut-&-bolt-&-circuit experiment
for every idea YOU have and.... you are on your way to
become one of those oligarchs that loom so large on your mind.
Have at it, Brad.

On Dec 15, 8:12Â*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 15, 2:55Â*pm, mpc755 wrote:









On Dec 15, 4:46Â*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Dec 15, 12:52Â*pm, "hanson" wrote:

... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... ROTFLMAO...

Mental Patient Case #755: Michael P Cavedonaka "mpc755" wrote:

"hanson" wrote:
"Brad Guth" wrote:

Mike Cavedon mpc755 wrote:
snip crap

Brad Guth quotes and wrote:
... "Electric Charge as Aether Flow, the "electric charge"
of electrons and protons can be explained entirely
kinematically... This force, Newton’s radial component
of gravity, is actually a net negative pressure"

hanson wrote:

Instead of all that belletristic anecdotal yearning, Brad,
simple find a convincing. demonstrable reason why
the attractive force between EM (+) and (-) charges
is a fraction of 1/10^39 times stronger then is the
repelling force between like (++) or (--) charges
and you are home free to explain Gravity.
This 10^39 ratio is the long accepted Force strength
difference between EM and Gravitational processes.

You then can make a case that the Aether density
amounts to 10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which allows the
Aether to be an incompressible solid as well as
a super fluid.

The equation for that is quite simple:
Aether matter density, ........ Â* Â*D_a = (H/c)^4 * (h/c)
wherein: H = Hubble, c = Light speed, h = Planck.

OTOH, the emotional Aetherophobes believe that
*==* if something has not been measured,
*==* then it does not, cannot & is not allowed to exist,
*==* especially if one can do without it.
(--- This is known as Porker's Aethereal logic---)

Aetherophobes cannot see that the Aether issues
are just like the situation was when Science faced
it with/over the existence of Atoms.

Since antiquity humans suspected for all kind of
reasons that Atoms must exist, but they had no proof
for it, yet they went on happily down their merry ways
without the (measured) proof for the atoms' existence.

Drum roll!... The existence of Atoms was only
measured & accepted by the establishment when
Perrin got his Nobel prize for it in 1926 (twenty six).
That's only 86 year's ago! ... which was when the
technology to measure Atoms became available.

So, Brad, with the above speculation that the looked
for Aether may be making its debut soon, I afraid
that you'll have to wait till the state of the art in
metrology will be able to measure matter densities of
10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which is many, many orders shy
of what we can do now... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

Mental Patient Case #755: Michael P Cavedon wrote:
There is plenty of evidence of the aether. There is plenty
of evidence the aether waves. snip Michael Cavedon's
self-defeating, fanatical fixation and obsession

hanson wrote:

Mikey you need Proof, not Evidence. Evidence is a
manifestation open to interpretation. ... But NONE of the
authors of the examples you repost over and over has
come forward and announced that they have found the
Aether. They all know that it takes more then Mikey's
notion, that
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Thanks for the laughs, Mikey... ahahahahahanson

He has a OCD that's borderline tourette's or TS. Â*At any moment he's
going to either explode or implode on us.

I think the proof of aether is likely to come very soon, partially
because so much else (essentially everything else) being tested
doesn't seem to answer as to the physics of how our universe came to
be, and as to how it acts/reacts to itself. Â*A lot about aether seems
to be logical, at least enough to pursue, though I doubt that it's
going to replace gravity, however it could be an equal to gravity.

Photons need to either be conducted by something or else they'll need
to infinitely replicate or physically displace through something that
neither adds or takes anything away, such as the aether supersolid or
superfluid.

There is plenty of evidence of the aether. There is plenty of evidence
the aether waves. There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter.
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is the aether. What waves
out ahead of the heliosphere is the aether. The offset between the
light lensing through the space neighboring galaxy clusters and the
galaxy clusters themselves is caused by the galaxy clusters moving
through and displacing the aether. It is the aether displaced by the
solar system which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
the solar system which is causing the magnetic field to pile up.

In a double slit experiment it is the aether which waves.

Yes, yes and yes, except there's hardly if any proof of aether
representing the source or cause of gravity. Â*For one thing,
supposedly its supersolid density is incredibly slight, and since it's
not really moving at any differential velocity in relationship to us
here on Earth, means that such an incredibly slight amount of aether
density probably can't be detected as for causing or even reacting
with local gravity. Â*However on a vast cosmic scale of galaxies moving
through or along with aether is where all sorts of interesting
manifestations could be revealed, such as lensing might be caused by
the displacement of aether instead of by the ever increasing number of
those positive ions of helium.

How does any point-source electron or positron act/react to aether, or
vise versa?

Are atoms in any way made of or function because of aether?

The following article describes a 'back reaction' associated with the
"fluidic" nature of space itself. This is the displaced aether
'displacing back'.

'An Extended Dynamical Equation of Motion, Phase Dependency and
Inertial Backreaction'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1208.3458

"We hypothesize that space itself resists such surges according to a
kind of induction law (related to inertia); additionally, we provide
further evidence of the “fluidic� nature of space itself."

The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of
a solid, a supersolid, which is described in the article as the
'fluidic' nature of space itself. The 'back-reaction' described in the
article is the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward
pressure toward the matter.

The following article describes the aether as an incompressible fluid
resulting in what the article refers to as gravitational aether caused
by pressure (or vorticity).

'Phenomenology of Gravitational Aether as a solution to the Old
Cosmological Constant Problem'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1106.3955

"One proposal to address this puzzle at the semi-classical level is to
decouple quantum vacuum from space-time geometry via a modification of
gravity that includes an incompressible fluid, known as Gravitational
Aether. In this paper, we discuss classical predictions of this theory
along with its compatibility with cosmological and experimental tests
of gravity. We argue that deviations from General Relativity (GR) in
this theory are sourced by pressure or vorticity."

The following article describes gravity as a pressure exerted by
aether toward matter.

'The aether-modified gravity and the G ̈del metric'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1109.5654v2

"As for the pressure, it is equal to p = 53−αg,6a2 so, it is positive
if αg 3 which is the weaker condition than the previous one. One
notes that the results corresponding to the usual gravity are easily
recovered. Also, it is easy to see that the interval αg 15
corresponds to the usual matter."

The following article describes a gravitating vacuum where aether is
the quantum vacuum of the 21-st century.

'From Analogue Models to Gravitating Vacuum'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1111.1155

"The aether of the 21-st century is the quantum vacuum, which is a new
form of matter. This is the real substance"

On Dec 15, 5:18*pm, "hanson" wrote:
"Brad Guth" wrote:

Mike Cavedon mpc755 wrote:
snip crap

Brad Guth quotes and wrote:
... "Electric Charge as Aether Flow, the "electric charge"
of electrons and protons can be explained entirely
kinematically... This force, Newton's radial component
of gravity, is actually a net negative pressure"

hanson wrote:

Instead of all that belletristic anecdotal yearning, Brad,
simple find a convincing. demonstrable reason why
the attractive force between EM (+) and (-) charges
is a fraction of 1/10^39 times stronger then is the
repelling force between like (++) or (--) charges
and you are home free to explain Gravity.
This 10^39 ratio is the long accepted Force strength
difference between EM and Gravitational processes.

You then can make a case that the Aether density
amounts to 10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which allows the
Aether to be an incompressible solid as well as
a super fluid.

The equation for that is quite simple:
Aether matter density, ........ * *D_a = (H/c)^4 * (h/c)
wherein: H = Hubble, c = Light speed, h = Planck.

OTOH, the emotional Aetherophobes believe that
*==* if something has not been measured,
*==* then it does not, cannot & is not allowed to exist,
*==* especially if one can do without it.
(--- This is known as Porker's Aethereal logic---)

Aetherophobes cannot see that the Aether issues
are just like the situation was when Science faced
it with/over the existence of Atoms.

Since antiquity humans suspected for all kind of
reasons that Atoms must exist, but they had no proof
for it, yet they went on happily down their merry ways
without the (measured) proof for the atoms' existence.

Drum roll!... The existence of Atoms was only
measured & accepted by the establishment when
Perrin got his Nobel prize for it in 1926 (twenty six).
That's only 86 year's ago! ... which was when the
technology to measure Atoms became available.

So, Brad, with the above speculation that the looked
for Aether may be making its debut soon, I afraid
that you'll have to wait till the state of the art in
metrology will be able to measure matter densities of
10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which is many, many orders shy
of what we can do now... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

Brad wrote:

Any chance that the mass of a 1000 nm photon is
1e-174 g, or somewhat less?

hanson wrote:

1 nm = 10^-9 meters which is your Lambda that
relates to c = L* f, or f = c/L, *hence
E = h*f *or E = h*c/L, and
m = E/c^2 or *___ m = h/(L*c) __ .
So, run the #s, Brad, and convince yourself, if you
believe in the school of thought that photons have
a rest mass, according to the above classic notion.
But what does that have to do with the Aether?

Brad wote:
I *think the proof of aether is likely to come very soon, partially
because so much else (essentially everything else) being tested
doesn't seem to answer as to the physics of how our universe came to
be, and as to how it acts/reacts to itself. *A lot about aether seems
to be logical, at least enough to pursue, though I doubt that it's
going to replace gravity, however it could be an equal to gravity.

Photons need to either be conducted by something or else they'll need
to infinitely replicate or physically displace through something that
neither adds or takes anything away, such as the aether supersolid or
superfluid.

hanson wrote:

Think what you wish, Brad. That is cool! But Physics is
99.99% trial-&-error engineering. And that is what counts.
A jump in metrology for a sensitivity increase of just 10 fold
is rare and hard to come by. There are no recipes on
how to do that. Mostly serendipity provides the next step.

The PROOF that shows the existence of an Aether will
be the most monumental achievement in physics for the
last 150 years. All,... Einstein, QM, St-Model... adios!

So go ahead & propose a nut-&-bolt-&-circuit experiment
for every idea YOU have and.... you are on your way to
become one of those oligarchs that loom so large on your mind.
Have at it, Brad.

Photons of the aether must somehow represent a rest mass (aka quantum
particle) that in large quantity can manage to create an electron or
positron.

On Dec 15, 10:37*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 15, 5:18*pm, "hanson" wrote:









"Brad Guth" wrote:

Mike Cavedon mpc755 wrote:
snip crap

Brad Guth quotes and wrote:
... "Electric Charge as Aether Flow, the "electric charge"
of electrons and protons can be explained entirely
kinematically... This force, Newton's radial component
of gravity, is actually a net negative pressure"

hanson wrote:

Instead of all that belletristic anecdotal yearning, Brad,
simple find a convincing. demonstrable reason why
the attractive force between EM (+) and (-) charges
is a fraction of 1/10^39 times stronger then is the
repelling force between like (++) or (--) charges
and you are home free to explain Gravity.
This 10^39 ratio is the long accepted Force strength
difference between EM and Gravitational processes.

You then can make a case that the Aether density
amounts to 10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which allows the
Aether to be an incompressible solid as well as
a super fluid.

The equation for that is quite simple:
Aether matter density, ........ * *D_a = (H/c)^4 * (h/c)
wherein: H = Hubble, c = Light speed, h = Planck.

OTOH, the emotional Aetherophobes believe that
*==* if something has not been measured,
*==* then it does not, cannot & is not allowed to exist,
*==* especially if one can do without it.
(--- This is known as Porker's Aethereal logic---)

Aetherophobes cannot see that the Aether issues
are just like the situation was when Science faced
it with/over the existence of Atoms.

Since antiquity humans suspected for all kind of
reasons that Atoms must exist, but they had no proof
for it, yet they went on happily down their merry ways
without the (measured) proof for the atoms' existence.

Drum roll!... The existence of Atoms was only
measured & accepted by the establishment when
Perrin got his Nobel prize for it in 1926 (twenty six).
That's only 86 year's ago! ... which was when the
technology to measure Atoms became available.

So, Brad, with the above speculation that the looked
for Aether may be making its debut soon, I afraid
that you'll have to wait till the state of the art in
metrology will be able to measure matter densities of
10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which is many, many orders shy
of what we can do now... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

Brad wrote:

Any chance that the mass of a 1000 nm photon is
1e-174 g, or somewhat less?

hanson wrote:

1 nm = 10^-9 meters which is your Lambda that
relates to c = L* f, or f = c/L, *hence
E = h*f *or E = h*c/L, and
m = E/c^2 or *___ m = h/(L*c) __ .
So, run the #s, Brad, and convince yourself, if you
believe in the school of thought that photons have
a rest mass, according to the above classic notion.
But what does that have to do with the Aether?

Brad wote:
I *think the proof of aether is likely to come very soon, partially
because so much else (essentially everything else) being tested
doesn't seem to answer as to the physics of how our universe came to
be, and as to how it acts/reacts to itself. *A lot about aether seems
to be logical, at least enough to pursue, though I doubt that it's
going to replace gravity, however it could be an equal to gravity.

Photons need to either be conducted by something or else they'll need
to infinitely replicate or physically displace through something that
neither adds or takes anything away, such as the aether supersolid or
superfluid.

hanson wrote:

Think what you wish, Brad. That is cool! But Physics is
99.99% trial-&-error engineering. And that is what counts.
A jump in metrology for a sensitivity increase of just 10 fold
is rare and hard to come by. There are no recipes on
how to do that. Mostly serendipity provides the next step.

The PROOF that shows the existence of an Aether will
be the most monumental achievement in physics for the
last 150 years. All,... Einstein, QM, St-Model... adios!

So go ahead & propose a nut-&-bolt-&-circuit experiment
for every idea YOU have and.... you are on your way to
become one of those oligarchs that loom so large on your mind.
Have at it, Brad.

Photons of the aether must somehow represent a rest mass (aka quantum
particle) that in large quantity can manage to create an electron or
positron.

Particles of matter are condensations of aether.

On Dec 15, 7:53*pm, mpc755 wrote:
On Dec 15, 10:37*pm, Brad Guth wrote:









On Dec 15, 5:18*pm, "hanson" wrote:

"Brad Guth" wrote:

Mike Cavedon mpc755 wrote:
snip crap

Brad Guth quotes and wrote:
... "Electric Charge as Aether Flow, the "electric charge"
of electrons and protons can be explained entirely
kinematically... This force, Newton's radial component
of gravity, is actually a net negative pressure"

hanson wrote:

Instead of all that belletristic anecdotal yearning, Brad,
simple find a convincing. demonstrable reason why
the attractive force between EM (+) and (-) charges
is a fraction of 1/10^39 times stronger then is the
repelling force between like (++) or (--) charges
and you are home free to explain Gravity.
This 10^39 ratio is the long accepted Force strength
difference between EM and Gravitational processes.

You then can make a case that the Aether density
amounts to 10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which allows the
Aether to be an incompressible solid as well as
a super fluid.

The equation for that is quite simple:
Aether matter density, ........ * *D_a = (H/c)^4 * (h/c)
wherein: H = Hubble, c = Light speed, h = Planck.

OTOH, the emotional Aetherophobes believe that
*==* if something has not been measured,
*==* then it does not, cannot & is not allowed to exist,
*==* especially if one can do without it.
(--- This is known as Porker's Aethereal logic---)

Aetherophobes cannot see that the Aether issues
are just like the situation was when Science faced
it with/over the existence of Atoms.

Since antiquity humans suspected for all kind of
reasons that Atoms must exist, but they had no proof
for it, yet they went on happily down their merry ways
without the (measured) proof for the atoms' existence.

Drum roll!... The existence of Atoms was only
measured & accepted by the establishment when
Perrin got his Nobel prize for it in 1926 (twenty six).
That's only 86 year's ago! ... which was when the
technology to measure Atoms became available.

So, Brad, with the above speculation that the looked
for Aether may be making its debut soon, I afraid
that you'll have to wait till the state of the art in
metrology will be able to measure matter densities of
10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which is many, many orders shy
of what we can do now... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

Brad wrote:

Any chance that the mass of a 1000 nm photon is
1e-174 g, or somewhat less?

hanson wrote:

1 nm = 10^-9 meters which is your Lambda that
relates to c = L* f, or f = c/L, *hence
E = h*f *or E = h*c/L, and
m = E/c^2 or *___ m = h/(L*c) __ .
So, run the #s, Brad, and convince yourself, if you
believe in the school of thought that photons have
a rest mass, according to the above classic notion.
But what does that have to do with the Aether?

Brad wote:
I *think the proof of aether is likely to come very soon, partially
because so much else (essentially everything else) being tested
doesn't seem to answer as to the physics of how our universe came to
be, and as to how it acts/reacts to itself. *A lot about aether seems
to be logical, at least enough to pursue, though I doubt that it's
going to replace gravity, however it could be an equal to gravity.

Photons need to either be conducted by something or else they'll need
to infinitely replicate or physically displace through something that
neither adds or takes anything away, such as the aether supersolid or
superfluid.

hanson wrote:

Think what you wish, Brad. That is cool! But Physics is
99.99% trial-&-error engineering. And that is what counts.
A jump in metrology for a sensitivity increase of just 10 fold
is rare and hard to come by. There are no recipes on
how to do that. Mostly serendipity provides the next step.

The PROOF that shows the existence of an Aether will
be the most monumental achievement in physics for the
last 150 years. All,... Einstein, QM, St-Model... adios!

So go ahead & propose a nut-&-bolt-&-circuit experiment
for every idea YOU have and.... you are on your way to
become one of those oligarchs that loom so large on your mind.
Have at it, Brad.

Photons of the aether must somehow represent a rest mass (aka quantum
particle) that in large quantity can manage to create an electron or
positron.

Particles of matter are condensations of aether.

That's good to know, but can it be proven outside of your
interpretations?

At the extremely slight density of aether, it would take at least a
cubic light year of aether to produce one atom.

How many ly3 has the ongoing flow of aether produced?