Aether has mass

"Brad Guth" wrote:
Mike Cavedon mpc755 wrote:
snip crap

Brad Guth quotes and wrote:
.... "Electric Charge as Aether Flow, the "electric charge"
of electrons and protons can be explained entirely
kinematically... This force, Newton’s radial component
of gravity, is actually a net negative pressure"

hanson wrote:
Instead of all that belletristic anecdotal yearning, Brad,
simple find a convincing. demonstrable reason why
the attractive force between EM (+) and (-) charges
is a fraction of 1/10^39 times stronger then is the
repelling force between like (++) or (--) charges
and you are home free to explain Gravity.
This 10^39 ratio is the long accepted Force strength
difference between EM and Gravitational processes.

You then can make a case that the Aether density
amounts to 10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which allows the
Aether to be an incompressible solid as well as
a super fluid.

The equation for that is quite simple:
Aether matter density, ........ D_a = (H/c)^4 * (h/c)
wherein: H = Hubble, c = Light speed, h = Planck.


OTOH, the emotional Aetherophobes believe that
*==* if something has not been measured,
*==* then it does not, cannot & is not allowed to exist,
*==* especially if one can do without it.
(--- This is known as Porker's Aethereal logic---)

Aetherophobes cannot see that the Aether issues
are just like the situation was when Science faced
it with/over the existence of Atoms.

Since antiquity humans suspected for all kind of
reasons that Atoms must exist, but they had no proof
for it, yet they went on happily down their merry ways
without the (measured) proof for the atoms' existence.

Drum roll!... The existence of Atoms was only
measured & accepted by the establishment when
Perrin got his Nobel prize for it in 1926 (twenty six).
That's only 86 year's ago! ... which was when the
technology to measure Atoms became available.

So, Brad, with the above speculation that the looked
for Aether may be making its debut soon, I afraid
that you'll have to wait till the state of the art in
metrology will be able to measure matter densities of
10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which is many, many orders shy
of what we can do now... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

On Dec 15, 1:00*pm, "hanson" wrote:
"Brad Guth" wrote:

Mike Cavedon mpc755 wrote:
snip crap

Brad Guth quotes and wrote:
... "Electric Charge as Aether Flow, the "electric charge"
of electrons and protons can be explained entirely
kinematically... This force, Newton’s radial component
of gravity, is actually a net negative pressure"

hanson wrote:

Instead of all that belletristic anecdotal yearning, Brad,
simple find a convincing. demonstrable reason why
the attractive force between EM (+) and (-) charges
is a fraction of 1/10^39 times stronger then is the
repelling force between like (++) or (--) charges
and you are home free to explain Gravity.
This 10^39 ratio is the long accepted Force strength
difference between EM and Gravitational processes.

You then can make a case that the Aether density
amounts to 10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which allows the
Aether to be an incompressible solid as well as
a super fluid.

The equation for that is quite simple:
Aether matter density, ........ * *D_a = (H/c)^4 * (h/c)
wherein: H = Hubble, c = Light speed, h = Planck.

OTOH, the emotional Aetherophobes believe that
*==* if something has not been measured,
*==* then it does not, cannot & is not allowed to exist,
*==* especially if one can do without it.
(--- This is known as Porker's Aethereal logic---)

Aetherophobes cannot see that the Aether issues
are just like the situation was when Science faced
it with/over the existence of Atoms.

Since antiquity humans suspected for all kind of
reasons that Atoms must exist, but they had no proof
for it, yet they went on happily down their merry ways
without the (measured) proof for the atoms' existence.

Drum roll!... The existence of Atoms was only
measured & accepted by the establishment when
Perrin got his Nobel prize for it in 1926 (twenty six).
That's only 86 year's ago! ... which was when the
technology to measure Atoms became available.

So, Brad, with the above speculation that the looked
for Aether may be making its debut soon, I afraid
that you'll have to wait till the state of the art in
metrology will be able to measure matter densities of
10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which is many, many orders shy
of what we can do now... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

There is plenty of evidence of the aether. There is plenty of evidence
the aether waves. There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter.
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is the aether. What waves
out ahead of the heliosphere is the aether. The offset between the
light lensing through the space neighboring galaxy clusters and the
galaxy clusters themselves is caused by the galaxy clusters moving
through and displacing the aether. It is the aether displaced by the
solar system which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
the solar system which is causing the magnetic field to pile up.

In a double slit experiment it is the aether which waves.

On Dec 15, 8:18*am, mpc755 wrote:
On Dec 15, 11:06*am, Brad Guth wrote:



Where is your original research published or otherwise recorded
(outside of Usenet/newsgroups)?

Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space.
Aether is physically displaced by matter.

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and
the associated wave in the aether passes through both.


Why are you always so deathly afraid to officially publish anything
original?

Are you suggesting that your version of aether isn't even K-12 good
enough?

On Dec 15, 2:14*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

Why are you always so deathly afraid to officially publish anything
original?

Are you suggesting that your version of aether isn't even K-12 good
enough?

Why are you so afraid to understand the following is evidence of the
aether and also evidence of the aether pushing back and exerting
inward pressure toward matter?

There is plenty of evidence of the aether. There is plenty of evidence
the aether waves. There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter.
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is the aether. What waves
out ahead of the heliosphere is the aether. The offset between the
light lensing through the space neighboring galaxy clusters and the
galaxy clusters themselves is caused by the galaxy clusters moving
through and displacing the aether. It is the aether displaced by the
solar system which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
the solar system which is causing the magnetic field to pile up.

In a double slit experiment it is the aether which waves.

On Dec 15, 10:00*am, "hanson" wrote:
"Brad Guth" wrote:

Mike Cavedon mpc755 wrote:
snip crap

Brad Guth quotes and wrote:
... "Electric Charge as Aether Flow, the "electric charge"
of electrons and protons can be explained entirely
kinematically... This force, Newton s radial component
of gravity, is actually a net negative pressure"

hanson wrote:

Instead of all that belletristic anecdotal yearning, Brad,
simple find a convincing. demonstrable reason why
the attractive force between EM (+) and (-) charges
is a fraction of 1/10^39 times stronger then is the
repelling force between like (++) or (--) charges
and you are home free to explain Gravity.
This 10^39 ratio is the long accepted Force strength
difference between EM and Gravitational processes.

You then can make a case that the Aether density
amounts to 10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which allows the
Aether to be an incompressible solid as well as
a super fluid.

The equation for that is quite simple:
Aether matter density, ........ * *D_a = (H/c)^4 * (h/c)
wherein: H = Hubble, c = Light speed, h = Planck.

OTOH, the emotional Aetherophobes believe that
*==* if something has not been measured,
*==* then it does not, cannot & is not allowed to exist,
*==* especially if one can do without it.
(--- This is known as Porker's Aethereal logic---)

Aetherophobes cannot see that the Aether issues
are just like the situation was when Science faced
it with/over the existence of Atoms.

Since antiquity humans suspected for all kind of
reasons that Atoms must exist, but they had no proof
for it, yet they went on happily down their merry ways
without the (measured) proof for the atoms' existence.

Drum roll!... The existence of Atoms was only
measured & accepted by the establishment when
Perrin got his Nobel prize for it in 1926 (twenty six).
That's only 86 year's ago! ... which was when the
technology to measure Atoms became available.

So, Brad, with the above speculation that the looked
for Aether may be making its debut soon, I afraid
that you'll have to wait till the state of the art in
metrology will be able to measure matter densities of
10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which is many, many orders shy
of what we can do now... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

Any chance that the mass of a 1000 nm photon is 1e-174 g, or somewhat
less?

.... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... ROTFLMAO...

Mental Patient Case #755: Michael P Cavedon
aka "mpc755" wrote:

"hanson" wrote:
"Brad Guth" wrote:
Mike Cavedon mpc755 wrote:
snip crap

Brad Guth quotes and wrote:
.... "Electric Charge as Aether Flow, the "electric charge"
of electrons and protons can be explained entirely
kinematically... This force, Newton’s radial component
of gravity, is actually a net negative pressure"

hanson wrote:
Instead of all that belletristic anecdotal yearning, Brad,
simple find a convincing. demonstrable reason why
the attractive force between EM (+) and (-) charges
is a fraction of 1/10^39 times stronger then is the
repelling force between like (++) or (--) charges
and you are home free to explain Gravity.
This 10^39 ratio is the long accepted Force strength
difference between EM and Gravitational processes.

You then can make a case that the Aether density
amounts to 10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which allows the
Aether to be an incompressible solid as well as
a super fluid.

The equation for that is quite simple:
Aether matter density, ........ D_a = (H/c)^4 * (h/c)
wherein: H = Hubble, c = Light speed, h = Planck.


OTOH, the emotional Aetherophobes believe that
*==* if something has not been measured,
*==* then it does not, cannot & is not allowed to exist,
*==* especially if one can do without it.
(--- This is known as Porker's Aethereal logic---)

Aetherophobes cannot see that the Aether issues
are just like the situation was when Science faced
it with/over the existence of Atoms.

Since antiquity humans suspected for all kind of
reasons that Atoms must exist, but they had no proof
for it, yet they went on happily down their merry ways
without the (measured) proof for the atoms' existence.

Drum roll!... The existence of Atoms was only
measured & accepted by the establishment when
Perrin got his Nobel prize for it in 1926 (twenty six).
That's only 86 year's ago! ... which was when the
technology to measure Atoms became available.

So, Brad, with the above speculation that the looked
for Aether may be making its debut soon, I afraid
that you'll have to wait till the state of the art in
metrology will be able to measure matter densities of
10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which is many, many orders shy
of what we can do now... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

Mental Patient Case #755: Michael P Cavedon wrote:
There is plenty of evidence of the aether. There is plenty
of evidence the aether waves. snip Michael Cavedon's
self-defeating, fanatical fixation and obsession

hanson wrote:
Mikey you need Proof, not Evidence. Evidence is a
manifestation open to interpretation. ... But NONE of the
authors of the examples you repost over and over has
come forward and announced that they have found the
Aether. They all know that it takes more then Mikey's
notion, that
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Thanks for the laughs, Mikey... ahahahahahanson

On Dec 15, 3:52*pm, "hanson" wrote:
... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... ROTFLMAO...

Mental Patient Case #755: Michael P Cavedonaka "mpc755" wrote:

"hanson" wrote:
"Brad Guth" wrote:

Mike Cavedon mpc755 wrote:
snip crap

Brad Guth quotes and wrote:
... "Electric Charge as Aether Flow, the "electric charge"
of electrons and protons can be explained entirely
kinematically... This force, Newton s radial component
of gravity, is actually a net negative pressure"

hanson wrote:

Instead of all that belletristic anecdotal yearning, Brad,
simple find a convincing. demonstrable reason why
the attractive force between EM (+) and (-) charges
is a fraction of 1/10^39 times stronger then is the
repelling force between like (++) or (--) charges
and you are home free to explain Gravity.
This 10^39 ratio is the long accepted Force strength
difference between EM and Gravitational processes.

You then can make a case that the Aether density
amounts to 10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which allows the
Aether to be an incompressible solid as well as
a super fluid.

The equation for that is quite simple:
Aether matter density, ........ * *D_a = (H/c)^4 * (h/c)
wherein: H = Hubble, c = Light speed, h = Planck.

OTOH, the emotional Aetherophobes believe that
*==* if something has not been measured,
*==* then it does not, cannot & is not allowed to exist,
*==* especially if one can do without it.
(--- This is known as Porker's Aethereal logic---)

Aetherophobes cannot see that the Aether issues
are just like the situation was when Science faced
it with/over the existence of Atoms.

Since antiquity humans suspected for all kind of
reasons that Atoms must exist, but they had no proof
for it, yet they went on happily down their merry ways
without the (measured) proof for the atoms' existence.

Drum roll!... The existence of Atoms was only
measured & accepted by the establishment when
Perrin got his Nobel prize for it in 1926 (twenty six).
That's only 86 year's ago! ... which was when the
technology to measure Atoms became available.

So, Brad, with the above speculation that the looked
for Aether may be making its debut soon, I afraid
that you'll have to wait till the state of the art in
metrology will be able to measure matter densities of
10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which is many, many orders shy
of what we can do now... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

Mental Patient Case #755: Michael P Cavedon wrote:
There is plenty of evidence of the aether. There is plenty
of evidence the aether waves. snip Michael Cavedon's
self-defeating, fanatical fixation and obsession

hanson wrote:

Mikey you need Proof, not Evidence. Evidence is a
manifestation open to interpretation. ... But NONE of the
authors of the examples you repost over and over has
come forward and announced that they have found the
Aether. They all know that it takes more then Mikey's
notion, that
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Thanks for the laughs, Mikey... ahahahahahanson

It is ironic that Einstein's most creative work, the general theory of
relativity, should boil down to conceptualizing space as a medium when
his original premise [in special relativity] was that no such medium
existed [..] The word 'ether' has extremely negative connotations in
theoretical physics because of its past association with opposition to
relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped of these
connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most physicists
actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually says
nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading the
universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic symmetry.
[..] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time relativity
was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began showing that the
empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure similar to that of
ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent studies with large
particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more
like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness. It is
filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but can be made
visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a part. The
modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day by
experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this
because it is taboo." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics,
endowed chair in physics, Stanford University

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is
unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation
of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space
and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time
intervals in the physical sense." - Albert Einstein

The relativistic ether referred to by Laughlin is the ether which
propagates light referred to by Einstein.

On Dec 15, 12:52*pm, "hanson" wrote:
... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... ROTFLMAO...

Mental Patient Case #755: Michael P Cavedonaka "mpc755" wrote:

"hanson" wrote:
"Brad Guth" wrote:

Mike Cavedon mpc755 wrote:
snip crap

Brad Guth quotes and wrote:
... "Electric Charge as Aether Flow, the "electric charge"
of electrons and protons can be explained entirely
kinematically... This force, Newton’s radial component
of gravity, is actually a net negative pressure"

hanson wrote:

Instead of all that belletristic anecdotal yearning, Brad,
simple find a convincing. demonstrable reason why
the attractive force between EM (+) and (-) charges
is a fraction of 1/10^39 times stronger then is the
repelling force between like (++) or (--) charges
and you are home free to explain Gravity.
This 10^39 ratio is the long accepted Force strength
difference between EM and Gravitational processes.

You then can make a case that the Aether density
amounts to 10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which allows the
Aether to be an incompressible solid as well as
a super fluid.

The equation for that is quite simple:
Aether matter density, ........ * *D_a = (H/c)^4 * (h/c)
wherein: H = Hubble, c = Light speed, h = Planck.

OTOH, the emotional Aetherophobes believe that
*==* if something has not been measured,
*==* then it does not, cannot & is not allowed to exist,
*==* especially if one can do without it.
(--- This is known as Porker's Aethereal logic---)

Aetherophobes cannot see that the Aether issues
are just like the situation was when Science faced
it with/over the existence of Atoms.

Since antiquity humans suspected for all kind of
reasons that Atoms must exist, but they had no proof
for it, yet they went on happily down their merry ways
without the (measured) proof for the atoms' existence.

Drum roll!... The existence of Atoms was only
measured & accepted by the establishment when
Perrin got his Nobel prize for it in 1926 (twenty six).
That's only 86 year's ago! ... which was when the
technology to measure Atoms became available.

So, Brad, with the above speculation that the looked
for Aether may be making its debut soon, I afraid
that you'll have to wait till the state of the art in
metrology will be able to measure matter densities of
10^(-150) gr/cm^3, which is many, many orders shy
of what we can do now... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

Mental Patient Case #755: Michael P Cavedon wrote:
There is plenty of evidence of the aether. There is plenty
of evidence the aether waves. snip Michael Cavedon's
self-defeating, fanatical fixation and obsession

hanson wrote:

Mikey you need Proof, not Evidence. Evidence is a
manifestation open to interpretation. ... But NONE of the
authors of the examples you repost over and over has
come forward and announced that they have found the
Aether. They all know that it takes more then Mikey's
notion, that
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Thanks for the laughs, Mikey... ahahahahahanson

He has a OCD that's borderline tourette's or TS. At any moment he's
going to either explode or implode on us.

I think the proof of aether is likely to come very soon, partially
because so much else (essentially everything else) being tested
doesn't seem to answer as to the physics of how our universe came to
be, and as to how it acts/reacts to itself. A lot about aether seems
to be logical, at least enough to pursue, though I doubt that it's
going to replace gravity, however it could be an equal to gravity.

Photons need to either be conducted by something or else they'll need
to infinitely replicate or physically displace through something that
neither adds or takes anything away, such as the aether supersolid or
superfluid.

"mpc755" wrote
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Thanks for the laughs, Mikey... ahahahahahanson

On Dec 15, 1:58*pm, "hanson" wrote:
"mpc755" wrote
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Cavedon's proof of the Aether is to have the last word.
Thanks for the laughs, Mikey... ahahahahahanson

OCD is all about having the very last word. Too bad that any new
science isn't going the way it should in order to further support
aether, outside of his parrot speak.