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Scientist says neutron stars, not black holes, at center of galaxies(Forwarded)
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University of Missouri-Rolla Contact: Lance Feyh Phone: 573-341-4269 Email: lfeyh @ umr.edu December 1, 2005 SCIENTIST SAYS NEUTRON STARS, NOT BLACK HOLES, AT CENTER OF GALAXIES ROLLA, Mo. -- For the past 50 years, black holes have been all the rage. Now, a University of Missouri-Rolla researcher says they never existed. Scientists have long believed that hydrogen fusion generates heat and light in the sun and other ordinary stars for billions of years before the star collapses into a neutron star or black hole when its fuel is exhausted. "Most scientists think neutron stars are dead matter, rather than energized, and that eventually they can collapse and form black holes at the center of galaxies," says Dr. Oliver Manuel, a professor of nuclear chemistry at UMR. "In this scenario, the end game is the end of light as we know it." Manuel thinks neutron stars are at the beginning of an astronomical renaissance, so to speak. In a new paper, http://arxiv.org/pdf/nucl-th/0511051 , Manuel and his co-authors claim massive neutron stars are the energy source at the center of galaxies. "The neutron stars break up and form smaller stars, which drift apart to form planetary systems," Manuel says. Manuel is the lead author of the new paper, "On the Cosmic Nuclear Cycle and the Similarity of Nuclei and Stars." In the abstract, the authors state, "This cycle involves neither the production of matter in an initial Big Bang, nor the disappearance of matter into black holes." Since the 1960s, scientists have more or less assumed that black holes populate the center of galaxies. Manuel says that assumption just doesn't make sense to him. "You should find a hole there, not a huge outpouring of energy and light," Manuel insists. "If black holes exist at the center of galaxies, stars should be falling in -- instead of explosively moving away from the center." According to Manuel, all of the "fragmentation" created by neutron stars and the fission of heavy elements at the centers of galaxies can be explained by "neutron repulsion." "Neutrons and protons in the nucleus work like the north and south ends of magnets," Manuel explains. "Neutrons repel neutrons, protons repel protons, but neutrons attract protons. Neutron repulsion is the force that energizes neutron stars. This empirical fact was discovered by five graduate students working with me to decipher the nuclear mass data for the 2,850 known nuclides in the spring of 2000." Manuel and the group of UMR graduate students published their findings in 2000 in the Journal of Fusion Energy. Last summer, Manuel and other UMR researchers reported that a small neutron star is at the core of our sun and other ordinary stars. Those conclusions are forthcoming in the Proceedings of the First Crisis in Cosmology Conference by the American Institute of Physics. "The heat, light and hydrogen pouring from these stars are produced by neutron repulsion in their cores," Manuel says. Furthermore, according to the UMR scientist, our sun once belonged to a larger neutron star that exploded to form the current solar system. He imagines massive neutron stars to be like giant nesting dolls that give birth to smaller stars. "The super massive neutron stars break up and form galaxies of smaller stars, just as the nuclei of the heavy elements break apart," Manuel says. In their paper "On the Cosmic Nuclear Cycle and the Similarity of Nuclei and Stars," Manuel and co-authors Michael Mozina of Emerging Technologies and Hilton Ratcliffe of the Astronomical Society of South Africa argue that neutron repulsion also explains the luminosity of the sun and other ordinary stars. "Additionally, neutron repulsion explains extremely high energy events like quasars, which are associated with high-density regions of space," Manuel says. "These were previously attributed to black holes." |
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Scientist says neutron stars, not black holes, at center of galaxies(Forwarded)
On a sunny day (Thu, 08 Dec 2005 01:02:24 -0500) it happened Andrew Yee
wrote in : Office of Public Relations University of Missouri-Rolla Contact: Lance Feyh Phone: 573-341-4269 Email: lfeyh @ umr.edu December 1, 2005 SCIENTIST SAYS NEUTRON STARS, NOT BLACK HOLES, AT CENTER OF GALAXIES I have often wondered why the big star bulge at the center of gallaxies.. You'd expect those there swalled up by the black hole... Interesting, is this real, eh I mean accepted mainstream ;-)? Yes I have read the paper, but that stuff ... I am no nuclear physicist... Would change a LOT of things it is was true! |
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Scientist says neutron stars, not black holes, at center of galaxies (Forwarded)
The mass of a galactic center is 0.5% of the mass of the galaxy and is
over a million suns. How can a neutron star be stable at that mass? It MUST be a black hole. Nothing else fits. The stars in the bulge orbit the black hole and the mass of stars closer in. I think you are under a certain misapprehension about how black holes actually work and what they look like. When matter is sucked in it tens to form a ring of relativistic plasma round the event horizon. A star will produce a burst of energy, and if the BH is spinning a jet. This is what powers abnormal galaxies. Abnormal galaxies were more common in the earlier Universe than they are now. The Milky Way may have been a quasar, or abnormal galaxy, once but it is no longer. All the matter in danger of falling in has already fallen in. Why galaxies need a point mass of 0.5% at their center is still not clear. It may be linked to stability considerations. |
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Scientist says neutron stars, not black holes, at center of galaxies(Forwarded)
Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 08 Dec 2005 01:02:24 -0500) it happened Andrew Yee wrote in : Office of Public Relations University of Missouri-Rolla Contact: Lance Feyh Phone: 573-341-4269 Email: lfeyh @ umr.edu December 1, 2005 SCIENTIST SAYS NEUTRON STARS, NOT BLACK HOLES, AT CENTER OF GALAXIES I have often wondered why the big star bulge at the center of gallaxies.. You'd expect those there swalled up by the black hole... Not unless it gets very close to the BH. Otherwise from a safe distance a BH gravitational field is no significantly different to any normal matter spherical mass. It is only when you get in close that things get ugly (especially since real ones tend to be spinning). Interesting, is this real, eh I mean accepted mainstream ;-)? The paper appears to be real. It is another question altogether why University of Missouri-Rolla is drawing attention to it... to ensure they get students of the right calibre in future perhaps? Anyone know which peer reviewed journal accepted this paper for publication?? Yes I have read the paper, but that stuff ... I am no nuclear physicist... Would change a LOT of things it is was true! I expect to see a proof of 0==1 from their maths department next. Regards, Martin Brown |
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Scientist says neutron stars, not black holes, at center of galaxies (Forwarded)
Andrew Yee wrote in news:R%Plf.8543$kt5.607246
@news20.bellglobal.com: Office of Public Relations University of Missouri-Rolla Contact: Lance Feyh Phone: 573-341-4269 Email: lfeyh @ umr.edu December 1, 2005 SCIENTIST SAYS NEUTRON STARS, NOT BLACK HOLES, AT CENTER OF GALAXIES ROLLA, Mo. -- For the past 50 years, black holes have been all the rage. Now, a University of Missouri-Rolla researcher says they never existed. Scientists have long believed that hydrogen fusion generates heat and light in the sun and other ordinary stars for billions of years before the star collapses into a neutron star or black hole when its fuel is exhausted. "Most scientists think neutron stars are dead matter, rather than energized, and that eventually they can collapse and form black holes at the center of galaxies," says Dr. Oliver Manuel, a professor of nuclear chemistry at UMR. "In this scenario, the end game is the end of light as we know it." Manuel thinks neutron stars are at the beginning of an astronomical renaissance, so to speak. In a new paper, http://arxiv.org/pdf/nucl-th/0511051 , Manuel and his co-authors claim massive neutron stars are the energy source at the center of galaxies. "The neutron stars break up and form smaller stars, which drift apart to form planetary systems," Manuel says. Manuel is the lead author of the new paper, "On the Cosmic Nuclear Cycle and the Similarity of Nuclei and Stars." In the abstract, the authors state, "This cycle involves neither the production of matter in an initial Big Bang, nor the disappearance of matter into black holes." Since the 1960s, scientists have more or less assumed that black holes populate the center of galaxies. Manuel says that assumption just doesn't make sense to him. "You should find a hole there, not a huge outpouring of energy and light," Manuel insists. "If black holes exist at the center of galaxies, stars should be falling in -- instead of explosively moving away from the center." According to Manuel, all of the "fragmentation" created by neutron stars and the fission of heavy elements at the centers of galaxies can be explained by "neutron repulsion." "Neutrons and protons in the nucleus work like the north and south ends of magnets," Manuel explains. "Neutrons repel neutrons, protons repel protons, but neutrons attract protons. Neutron repulsion is the force that energizes neutron stars. This empirical fact was discovered by five graduate students working with me to decipher the nuclear mass data for the 2,850 known nuclides in the spring of 2000." Manuel and the group of UMR graduate students published their findings in 2000 in the Journal of Fusion Energy. Last summer, Manuel and other UMR researchers reported that a small neutron star is at the core of our sun and other ordinary stars. Those conclusions are forthcoming in the Proceedings of the First Crisis in Cosmology Conference by the American Institute of Physics. "The heat, light and hydrogen pouring from these stars are produced by neutron repulsion in their cores," Manuel says. Furthermore, according to the UMR scientist, our sun once belonged to a larger neutron star that exploded to form the current solar system. He imagines massive neutron stars to be like giant nesting dolls that give birth to smaller stars. "The super massive neutron stars break up and form galaxies of smaller stars, just as the nuclei of the heavy elements break apart," Manuel says. In their paper "On the Cosmic Nuclear Cycle and the Similarity of Nuclei and Stars," Manuel and co-authors Michael Mozina of Emerging Technologies and Hilton Ratcliffe of the Astronomical Society of South Africa argue that neutron repulsion also explains the luminosity of the sun and other ordinary stars. "Additionally, neutron repulsion explains extremely high energy events like quasars, which are associated with high-density regions of space," Manuel says. "These were previously attributed to black holes." This appears to be total crackpottery. Which journal published this paper if any? Klazmon. |
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Scientist says neutron stars, not black holes, at center of galaxies(Forwarded)
Joseph Lazio wrote:
"JS" == Jonathan Silverlight writes: JS BTW, no-one seems to have commented on the claim in this very odd JS paper [by O. Manuel] that the sun is a rigid structure. What's there to comment? There is the pressing question of why Andrew Yee forwarded something to sci.astro that is so obviously Kookdom "science" from the lunatic fringe. I will be charitable and assume that he did not read the abstract. But I'd love to know which peer reviewed journal accepted this paper! I note that it is now extensively cross posted as Yoon's sock puppets are understandably upset that their master's work has been plagarised. What sort of University is Missouri-Rolla? Their website appears quite plausible. Regards, Martin Brown |
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Scientist says neutron stars, not black holes, at center of galaxies (Forwarded)
On Sun, Martin Brown wrote:
Joseph Lazio wrote: "JS" == Jonathan Silverlight writes: JS BTW, no-one seems to have commented on the claim in this very odd JS paper [by O. Manuel] that the sun is a rigid structure. What's there to comment? There is the pressing question of why Andrew Yee forwarded something to sci.astro that is so obviously Kookdom "science" from the lunatic fringe. I will be charitable and assume that he did not read the abstract. But I'd love to know which peer reviewed journal accepted this paper! [snip] Regards, Martin Brown Well maybe you need to keep up with astro related news, there has been a paper(s) that suggest that most spiral galaxies DO NOT have _MASSIVE_ black holes at their center. So this paper _may_ have been a follow-up to that premise, to explain the mass observed in those regions. I have posted often that small bright stars are inordinately difficult or even impossible to see with the best telescopes and the longest exposures, a fact that may have been misconstrued to support the estimate of the number of black holes existing. Even with the best telescopes it is even difficult to image pulsars without the ability to zero in to the coordinates with radio telescope data. Most of the exciting stuff about General Relativity is likely to be found in astrophysics, there isn't much new going on on this planet. Joe Fischer |
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Scientist says neutron stars, not black holes, at center of galaxies (Forwarded)
In message , Martin Brown
writes Joseph Lazio wrote: "JS" == Jonathan Silverlight lid writes: JS BTW, no-one seems to have commented on the claim in this very odd JS paper [by O. Manuel] that the sun is a rigid structure. What's there to comment? There is the pressing question of why Andrew Yee forwarded something to sci.astro that is so obviously Kookdom "science" from the lunatic fringe. I will be charitable and assume that he did not read the abstract. But I'd love to know which peer reviewed journal accepted this paper! None, surely? It's an ArXiv.org e-print. I've seen the "rigid sun" interpretation of the TRACE results on web sites, but this is the first "paper" I've seen. |
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Scientist says neutron stars, not black holes, at center of galaxies (Forwarded)
In message , Jonathan
Silverlight writes In message , Martin Brown writes Joseph Lazio wrote: "JS" == Jonathan Silverlight alid writes: JS BTW, no-one seems to have commented on the claim in this very odd JS paper [by O. Manuel] that the sun is a rigid structure. What's there to comment? There is the pressing question of why Andrew Yee forwarded something to sci.astro that is so obviously Kookdom "science" from the lunatic fringe. I will be charitable and assume that he did not read the abstract. But I'd love to know which peer reviewed journal accepted this paper! None, surely? It's an ArXiv.org e-print. I've seen the "rigid sun" interpretation of the TRACE results on web sites, but this is the first "paper" I've seen. Sorry to follow up my own post, but the web site in question is Michael Mozina's http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com/ (I found it via an ad on the Heavens Above site), and all I can say is "you ain't seen nothing yet" :-) Here's a nice example "The neon layer that composes the penumbral filaments is the layer our eyes can see. This layer has another VERY important function, specially to COOL the lower layers. Neon is used as a cryogenic refrigerant because of its incredible "cooling" abilities." Looking at Oliver Manuel's site at http://web.umr.edu/~om/ he's been Professor Emeritus since 2000. Would anyone like to comment on http://web.umr.edu/~om/picpages/compsun.html? |
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