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RIP, Bob Bussard
"Al" wrote in message ups.com... tho in his later novels, now and then, he would show a glimmer of the old magic. Different names, slightly different settings, but essentially the same 2-3 characters doing the same things. |
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RIP, Bob Bussard
On Oct 20, 1:47 am, Pat Flannery wrote:
Scott Hedrick wrote: Asimov came up with Chaos Theory decades before it was described when Arkady Darell went blundering through the universe and unintentionally (at least as far as she knew) conquered The Mule, and saved humanity. Pat When you say 'Chaos Theory' , you mean classical Chaos Theory as discovered by Henri Poincaré at the end of the 19th century? (Mathematicians working on non linear problems knew of Chaos Theory ever since Poincaré, its just that it did not get popularized until the last 25 or 30 years.) I am sure Asimov was aware of Poincaré. |
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RIP, Bob Bussard
On Oct 18, 12:03 am, Al wrote:
On Oct 17, 9:32 am, Pat Flannery wrote: Al wrote: Can't let this thread pass without mention that Bussard was, at one time, one of the world's most important experts in nuclear rocketry during the 1950's and 1960's(*,**). An important figure in the development and implementation of the USA's only nuclear rocket motors at Los Alamos. We still aren't using them you'll note, which may say something...coming up on fifty years afterwards. NERVA was heavy; Dumbo was iffy, and both were dirty for surface liftoff. Even the far later Timberwind project went nowhere fast. A lot of the isp advantage disappeared in shielding weight and the weight of the reactor itself. Pat Right, but those were problems to be solved, and little research was done in the USA after the demise of NERVA. Another example of were the basic physics was sound but the technological realization is very very hard. Hm, sorta reminds me of the assessment that paper design reactors tend to be light, and real ones heavy. Or for that matter, of the software project I really should be working on rather than posting here. -michael turner |
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RIP, Bob Bussard
Al wrote: When you say 'Chaos Theory' , you mean classical Chaos Theory as discovered by Henri Poincaré at the end of the 19th century? (Mathematicians working on non linear problems knew of Chaos Theory ever since Poincaré, its just that it did not get popularized until the last 25 or 30 years.) I am sure Asimov was aware of Poincaré. I didn't realize it went that far back, and just remember what a splash it made when they started realizing weather worked like that. I dug up the Wikipedia article on it, and they pointed out that the theory moved rapidly forward once electronic computers were built, as now it was possible to run multiple calculations with just one small variable at the beginning, and see what the results were as time progressed. Asimov would have certainly have known about this (heck, he may have read a book about it) as he kept his ear very close to the ground in regards to what was going on in science. In fact...the Foundation trilogy might be seen as an allegory of what happens when chaos theory hit mathematics big time. In that case, the psychohistorians are working along quantum lines (with enough planets inhabited and people scattered thought the galaxy in their trillions, each individual's actions appear random, but taken as a whole their actions are predictable) and The Mule being the small variable that hasn't been predicted that enters the mix and throws everything off-kilter, like the butterfly flapping its wings in Africa leading to a hurricane. Then Arkady Darrell comes along as a countervailing random force that puts everything back the way it was supposed to be. The choice of the name "Arkady" is amusing, as this ties into the whole "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" aspect of things and the "Et In Arcadia Ego" paintings by Nicholas Poussin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Et_in_Arcadia_ego So instead of a secret world order running humanity's history on Earth, we have a secret galactic order running humanity's history out in the cosmos. It's now of course time to trace Asimov's genealogy back to see what his family was doing around the time of the crucifixion. Ah-ha! The plot thickens: http://www.cephas-library.com/bible_...bible_1 .html "He links certain individuals with the Priory of Sion, VIcter Hugo who was a Grand Master, Jon Contau who was also a Grand Master of the Priory de Sion. He also links J.R. Tolkien and CS Lewis with the Priory of Sion. This is a Rosicrucian writer. He also links Isaac Asimov, Jules Vern, George Mc Donald and Umberto Echo with the Priory of Sion. He then states, "Sir Walter Raleigh, who was long thought to be involved in an esoteric body known as the school of the night may have also been part of the Order of Sion. That would be the Learned Elders of the 33rd Degree of Sion over there in France." This explains "Asimov's Guide To The Bible" doesn't it? He was just looking through some old family scrapbooks of his ancestors, the Christ Family. If we put his books through a computer looking for a hidden code, who knows what we will find! Those limericks alone could be a treasure-trove akin to Nostradamus! Then there's this: http://www.ansible.co.uk/writing/positron.html "We can now state the problem. How was the technology of intelligent "positronic robots" so completely lost before the time of the Galactic Empire, and never rediscovered in centuries if not millennia of scientific advance? Here Asimov could only offer a somewhat discreditable theory of galaxy-wide conspiracy and mind control, scarcely more convincing than blaming it all on the Rosicrucians, the Templars or the World SF Society." As if those three weren't yet other arms of the Illuminati octopus! ;-) Pat |
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RIP, Bob Bussard
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:36:20 -0500, Pat Flannery
wrote: It's now of course time to trace Asimov's genealogy back to see what his family was doing around the time of the crucifixion. ....ISTR they were having lunch with Henry. OM -- ]=====================================[ ] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [ ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [ ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [ ]=====================================[ |
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RIP, Bob Bussard
OM wrote: ...ISTR they were having lunch with Henry. "They who are called rocket scientists, they go the blockhouse?" :-) Pat |
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RIP, Bob Bussard
On Oct 24, 11:36 am, Pat Flannery wrote:
Al wrote: When you say 'Chaos Theory' , you mean classical Chaos Theory as discovered by Henri Poincaré at the end of the 19th century? (Mathematicians working on non linear problems knew of Chaos Theory ever since Poincaré, its just that it did not get popularized until the last 25 or 30 years.) I am sure Asimov was aware of Poincaré. I didn't realize it went that far back, and just remember what a splash it made when they started realizing weather worked like that. " Pat Actually Chaos theory did not have that name until recently, I am pretty sure. Even tho Jacques Hadamard kind of discovered it in 1898, it was really Poincaré who nailed it in winning the prize for the the study of the three body problem. In fact he was a bit surprised by what is called 'deterministic chaos' now, that he kind of recoiled from it. But he did write about it in popular essays: Poincaré, H. (1913) Mathematics and Science: Last Essays, Dover 1963 (translated from Dernières Pensées posthumously published by Ernest Flammarion, 1913) I would bet that a young Asimov read this. As for PsychoHistory would also bet he bounced this off John W Campbell who primed the pump on many of his writers all this days as editor of Astounding/Analog,but especially in the late 30's.... throughout the 40's. Campbell was Asimov's mentor in those days and I can just see the two bouncing ideas about Foundation off one another. (Asimov broke with Campbell over ol wack-o L Ron Hubbard, among other things.) Foundation is still a ripping yarn, mainly because it has all the trapping of a mystery story, which Asimov so loved.... in later years.. alas when he returned to the series,well just didn't work, at least for me. He should have left it alone. |
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