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Old January 27th 08, 03:22 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default Great Temp. Great Heat Man verses Nature But not for Long Spacetimes

Man's laser hotter than the Sun's surface.for an instant. Sun's great
heat lasts billions of years.Man creates much lower temperature than
nature,but not for long. Black hole much colder than the space its
imerged in can lock this cold in for billions and billions of years
Bert
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Old January 27th 08, 07:08 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default If you want cold, you must go to the outer edge of the Milky Way.

Empirically, how cold are “ black holes ” Bert ?
I'm talking measured temperature, not theory.

Anti-Matter induced gamma-rays from Sagittarius A*,
the purported black hole at the center of the Milky Way,
makes the sun look like an ice cube.

If you want cold, you must go to the outer edge of the Milky Way,
where the cold vacuous dark matter is.

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Old January 27th 08, 09:39 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default If you want cold, you must go to the outer edge of the Milky Way.

On Jan 27, 10:08 am, Jeff*Relf wrote:
Empirically, how cold are “ black holes ” Bert ?
I'm talking measured temperature, not theory.

Anti-Matter induced gamma-rays from Sagittarius A*,
the purported black hole at the center of the Milky Way,
makes the sun look like an ice cube.

If you want cold, you must go to the outer edge of the Milky Way,
where the cold vacuous dark matter is.


Now way, as a black hole has got to be at least a million fold colder
than any interstellar void. Is there such a thing as -K? (if not,
perhaps there should be)
. - Brad Guth
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Old January 29th 08, 04:10 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default If you want cold, you must go to the outer edge of the Milky Way.


"BradGuth" wrote in message
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On Jan 27, 10:08 am, Jeff?Relf wrote:
Empirically, how cold are " black holes " Bert ?
I'm talking measured temperature, not theory.

Anti-Matter induced gamma-rays from Sagittarius A*,
the purported black hole at the center of the Milky Way,
makes the sun look like an ice cube.

If you want cold, you must go to the outer edge of the Milky Way,
where the cold vacuous dark matter is.


Now way, as a black hole has got to be at least a million fold colder
than any interstellar void. Is there such a thing as -K? (if not,
perhaps there should be)
.. - Brad Guth

So let me get this right, Brad, BHs are far colder than the lowest
temperature in the Universe ?? Oh, I see, that explains the million +
degrees of hot jets of particles ejected for billions of miles along its
rotational axis by matter about to be sucked into the BH.

Black Holes are known for their tremendous gravity. That gravity interprets
into extremely high internal pressures. Any internal pressure creates heat.
So perhaps you could explain to us dummies where the negative (-) absolute
zero temperatures supposedly come from that you claim to exist in a BH.
BTW, the rest of the scientific world seems to believe that the lowest
temperature anywhere in the visible Universe is about 3 degrees above the
absolute, as measured by COBE, with the cute moniker of Cosmic Microwave
Background Radiation..


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Old January 29th 08, 05:42 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default If you want cold, check out a quiescent BH (Was... )

On Jan 29, 7:10*am, "Hagar" wrote:

So let me get this right... BHs are far colder than the lowest
temperature in the Universe ?? *Oh, I see, that explains the million +
degrees of hot jets of particles ejected for billions of miles along its
rotational axis by matter about to be sucked into the BH.

The jets are still `outside` the event horizon, composed of material
from the accretion disc that's been "backfired" along the polar axis
by a little-understood magnetohydrodynamic (MHD) process.

Black Holes are known for their tremendous gravity. *That gravity interprets
into extremely high internal pressures. *Any internal pressure creates heat.
So perhaps you could explain to us dummies where the negative (-) absolute
zero temperatures supposedly come from that you claim to exist in a BH.

Frames of referance again. It's certainly mucho hot inside the BH. But
from here 'outside', the black body temperature of a quiescent (non-
accreting) BH will be very close to absolute zero (discounting any
negligible "Hawking radiation").




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Old January 29th 08, 06:34 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default Old Coot, we don't care what religion you're espousing.

We don't care what religion you're espousing, Old Coot,
Hagar and I are relating ► empirical science.

Although General Relativity can model any density,
it prohibits infinitely dense objects.

Einstein ► Trashed the “ black hole ” concept in no uncertain terms,
because objects falling into a true event horizon
would move at unphysical speeds, faster than the speed of light.

A true event horizon is forever metaphysical;
i.e. it's a pure religion, ► never a science.

Even Stephen Hawking no longer believes in true black holes,
as the path integral of quantum mechanics forbids it.

Although it took Stephen Hawking a long time,
he did come into agreement with Einstein... Why can't you ?

Sagittarius A*, the purported black hole at the center of the Milky Way,
is the hottest part of the galaxy,
like the sun is the hottest part of the solar system.

Sagittarius A* is surrounded by a 10 kilo light year wide
cloud of anti-matter induced gamma rays, as bright as 10 thousand suns:
http://News.Yahoo.COM/s/space/200801...MbuhXz_KUPLBIF

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Old January 31st 08, 02:13 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default If you want cold, check out a quiescent BH (Was... )

oc BHs are absorbing inferred space photons. The great gravity
compression has squeezed away their energy(wave length) Heat goes from
hot to cold,and space is 2.7K and a BH is 1,000,000 times colder. My
thoughts Bert

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Old January 29th 08, 08:52 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default If you want cold, you must go to the outer edge of the Milky Way.



Hagar wrote:
"BradGuth" wrote in message
...
On Jan 27, 10:08 am, Jeff?Relf wrote:
Empirically, how cold are " black holes " Bert ?
I'm talking measured temperature, not theory.

Anti-Matter induced gamma-rays from Sagittarius A*,
the purported black hole at the center of the Milky Way,
makes the sun look like an ice cube.

If you want cold, you must go to the outer edge of the Milky Way,
where the cold vacuous dark matter is.


Now way, as a black hole has got to be at least a million fold colder
than any interstellar void. Is there such a thing as -K? (if not,
perhaps there should be)
. - Brad Guth

So let me get this right, Brad, BHs are far colder than the lowest
temperature in the Universe ?? Oh, I see, that explains the million +
degrees of hot jets of particles ejected for billions of miles along its
rotational axis by matter about to be sucked into the BH.


How much energy does -1000 K represent? (like the anti-matter core of
a BH, seems that it should be worth a little something)


Black Holes are known for their tremendous gravity. That gravity interprets
into extremely high internal pressures. Any internal pressure creates heat.
So perhaps you could explain to us dummies where the negative (-) absolute
zero temperatures supposedly come from that you claim to exist in a BH.


I'm not nearly that smart. Why don't you give us your best swag?


BTW, the rest of the scientific world seems to believe that the lowest
temperature anywhere in the visible Universe is about 3 degrees above the
absolute, as measured by COBE, with the cute moniker of Cosmic Microwave
Background Radiation..


If we're starting off at 3 K, I wonder what that event horizon
temperature gradient is like, especially since all of that BH gravity
is supposedly sucking the very last of whatever thermal energy out of
the surrounding space at something better than the velocity of 'c'?
.. - Brad Guth
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Old January 29th 08, 10:14 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default If you want cold, you must go to the outer edge of the Milky Way.


"BradGuth" wrote in message
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Hagar wrote:
"BradGuth" wrote in message
...
On Jan 27, 10:08 am, Jeff?Relf wrote:
Empirically, how cold are " black holes " Bert ?
I'm talking measured temperature, not theory.

Anti-Matter induced gamma-rays from Sagittarius A*,
the purported black hole at the center of the Milky Way,
makes the sun look like an ice cube.

If you want cold, you must go to the outer edge of the Milky Way,
where the cold vacuous dark matter is.


Now way, as a black hole has got to be at least a million fold colder
than any interstellar void. Is there such a thing as -K? (if not,
perhaps there should be)
. - Brad Guth

So let me get this right, Brad, BHs are far colder than the lowest
temperature in the Universe ?? Oh, I see, that explains the million +
degrees of hot jets of particles ejected for billions of miles along its
rotational axis by matter about to be sucked into the BH.


How much energy does -1000 K represent? (like the anti-matter core of
a BH, seems that it should be worth a little something)


At the Absolute Zero is a state which does not absorb or emit energy, all
activity ceases... also called Zero Point Energy.
Just like there is no "Blacker then Black" i.e. R, G, B = 0
there is no Colder than Cold", i.e. 0 degrees K.
So, no Brad, it isn't worth even a little something.


Black Holes are known for their tremendous gravity. That gravity
interprets
into extremely high internal pressures. Any internal pressure creates
heat.
So perhaps you could explain to us dummies where the negative (-)
absolute
zero temperatures supposedly come from that you claim to exist in a BH.


I'm not nearly that smart. Why don't you give us your best swag?


Once again, you speak in riddles. What the hell is a "best swag"??



BTW, the rest of the scientific world seems to believe that the lowest
temperature anywhere in the visible Universe is about 3 degrees above the
absolute, as measured by COBE, with the cute moniker of Cosmic Microwave
Background Radiation..


If we're starting off at 3 K, I wonder what that event horizon
temperature gradient is like, especially since all of that BH gravity
is supposedly sucking the very last of whatever thermal energy out of
the surrounding space at something better than the velocity of 'c'?


There is nothing that travels "something better than 'c', Brad.
Go read a science book or two.

. - Brad Guth



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Old January 28th 08, 02:22 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default If you want cold, you must go to the outer edge of the Milky Way.

On Jan 27, 1:08*pm, Jeff*Relf wrote:
Empirically, how cold are “ black holes ” Bert ?
I'm talking measured temperature, not theory.

Anti-Matter induced gamma-rays from Sagittarius A*,
the purported black hole at the center of the Milky Way,
makes the sun look like an ice cube.

If you want cold, you must go to the outer edge of the Milky Way,
where the cold vacuous dark matter is.


Jeff All BH have the same temp about a million times colder than the
ether Only motion is created by the great attraction of its central
core.Nothing is motionless,and that is the reason absolute zero is
impossible. Bert
 




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