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Afghan Push Went Beyond Traditional Military Goals
On Feb 22, 2:57*am, "Roger Conroy"
wrote: "Pat Flannery" wrote in message dakotatelephone... On 2/21/2010 8:40 AM, Andrew Swallow wrote: Jack Linthicum wrote: {snip} But isn't a country, it's a variation on a fundamental image of a religion. How do you "defeat" a religion? Ask the Spanish Inquisition they succeeded several times. Both in Europe and South America, including parts of the USA that used to be Mexico. In the case of the Aztecs and Mayans, they had some help from the neighboring tribes that the two civilizations used to rip the beating hearts out of and eat. Snip-------------- I've never heard of canibalism being part of the ritual - do you have a cite for that? Would this do? http://www.plu.edu/~arnoldwp/ |
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Afghan Push Went Beyond Traditional Military Goals
"Pat Flannery" wrote in message lephone... On 2/21/2010 8:35 PM, Alexander wrote: The fact that Ferdinand and Isabel didn't have him scourged pretty much dispels that idiot rumor. Did Black start that rumor? It would help if I knew who "Black" is or was, Probably me. There have certainly been suggestions made that some of Columbus's crew were Jewish, but the man himself is something of an enigma, they're not even sure which country he was from... -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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Afghan Push Went Beyond Traditional Military Goals
"Pat Flannery" wrote in message dakotatelephone... On 2/21/2010 11:53 PM, Roger Conroy wrote: The current Pope used to be the head of it under its modern name, The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. But the Congregation is not specifically Spanish. Why, how did the Spanish "branch" get to have a separate identity and notoriety? "Cardinal Fang, hand me the Wikipedia Article, so that Mr. Conroy can be forced to sit in The Comfy Chair and read it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition Bring him only one cup of coffee while he reads it, so that he may know the depth of the peril to his immortal soul." I'm old enough that I can remember the days down at our church when they had a list of banned books up on the wall in the entrance alcove, a last vestige of the Inquisition. Pat Thank you Mr. Flannery. If you would make that coffee strong, sweet and tall I'd be quite comfy while placing my immortality at risk. |
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Afghan Push Went Beyond Traditional Military Goals
On 2/21/2010 11:53 PM, Roger Conroy wrote:
The current Pope used to be the head of it under its modern name, The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. But the Congregation is not specifically Spanish. Why, how did the Spanish "branch" get to have a separate identity and notoriety? "Cardinal Fang, hand me the Wikipedia Article, so that Mr. Conroy can be forced to sit in The Comfy Chair and read it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition Bring him only one cup of coffee while he reads it, so that he may know the depth of the peril to his immortal soul." I'm old enough that I can remember the days down at our church when they had a list of banned books up on the wall in the entrance alcove, a last vestige of the Inquisition. Pat |
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Afghan Push Went Beyond Traditional Military Goals
On Feb 22, 12:40*pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
On 2/22/2010 2:54 AM, Jack Linthicum wrote: I've never heard of canibalism being part of the ritual - do you have a cite for that? Would this do? http://www.plu.edu/~arnoldwp/ I just had a great thought...we should figure out some way to have the Taliban get a peek at where this posting thread has drifted off to, as they may think that our troops are coming to tear their hearts out and then dismember and eat them. Even in Afghanistan, this approach to warfare is bound to get us a new-found respect in the eyes of our enemies for its manliness, as will our new combat fatigues:http://www.xispas.com/blog/images/no...pocalypto3.jpg BTW, they recently had a cardiac surgeon do tests on a simulated human torso using a obsidian knife to find out if the Aztec priests went through the ribcage or under it to get the heart out fast enough to have it still beating on removal. The results showed that the only way to do it quick is go in under the ribcage, cut upwards through the diaphragm, sever the veins and arteries connected to the heart, and pull it back out under the ribcage. He could do that in around 30 seconds. Pat Wow, a new Olympic event. Goes with those X-Games things that just got on, like the four-man down hill over bumps. Maybe we could widen the bobsled track and put two or more on at once. |
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Afghan Push Went Beyond Traditional Military Goals
On 2/21/2010 11:57 PM, Roger Conroy wrote:
In the case of the Aztecs and Mayans, they had some help from the neighboring tribes that the two civilizations used to rip the beating hearts out of and eat. Snip-------------- I've never heard of canibalism being part of the ritual - do you have a cite for that? It's not talked about much even today, as it's a sensitive subject down south of the border: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canniba...umbian_America http://www.plu.edu/~arnoldwp/home.html One argument that hasn't been mentioned yet in this regard is if they are _not_ cooked and eaten, what exactly are you supposed to do with the bodies of all the sacrificial victims so that they won't pose a disease threat to the general populace? The numbers of sacrificial victims in some estimates are staggering: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_s..._Aztec_culture What really threw everyone a curve-ball was when the ancient Mayan written language was finally (mostly) translated in the 1980's. Up till that point they had been portrayed as peace and nature loving natural mathematicians...but once you could actually start reading their inscriptions, real horror stories emerged that formed a basis for a lot of Mel Gibson's movie "Apocalypto"...which is a pretty accurate portrayal of what Mayan society would have looked like to an outsider who was getting dragged there for sacrifice, although I get a sick feeling that the piles of corpses shown discarded outside the city probably didn't just get tossed away. The most recent cannibalism find is that it didn't just stay south of the border, but traveled north with the people of the cliff-dwelling Anasazi tribe http://www.archaeology.org/9709/newsbriefs/anasazi.html Whose culture was apparently related to the Aztec/Mayan ones, although in this case the cannibalism may have been as much about staving off starvation as any sort of ritual feast. Pat |
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On 2/22/2010 2:54 AM, Jack Linthicum wrote:
I've never heard of canibalism being part of the ritual - do you have a cite for that? Would this do? http://www.plu.edu/~arnoldwp/ This is fun also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodle...in_Mesoamerica Pat |
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On 2/22/2010 4:56 AM, William Black wrote:
There have certainly been suggestions made that some of Columbus's crew were Jewish, but the man himself is something of an enigma, they're not even sure which country he was from... Wherever he was from, he had a highly mystical take on Christianity, going all the way to his very involved signatu http://www.christopher-columbus.eu/signature.htm Pat |
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Afghan Push Went Beyond Traditional Military Goals
On 2/22/2010 2:54 AM, Jack Linthicum wrote:
I've never heard of canibalism being part of the ritual - do you have a cite for that? Would this do? http://www.plu.edu/~arnoldwp/ I just had a great thought...we should figure out some way to have the Taliban get a peek at where this posting thread has drifted off to, as they may think that our troops are coming to tear their hearts out and then dismember and eat them. Even in Afghanistan, this approach to warfare is bound to get us a new-found respect in the eyes of our enemies for its manliness, as will our new combat fatigues: http://www.xispas.com/blog/images/no...pocalypto3.jpg BTW, they recently had a cardiac surgeon do tests on a simulated human torso using a obsidian knife to find out if the Aztec priests went through the ribcage or under it to get the heart out fast enough to have it still beating on removal. The results showed that the only way to do it quick is go in under the ribcage, cut upwards through the diaphragm, sever the veins and arteries connected to the heart, and pull it back out under the ribcage. He could do that in around 30 seconds. Pat |
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Afghan Push Went Beyond Traditional Military Goals
On 2/22/2010 7:46 AM, Jack Linthicum wrote:
The results showed that the only way to do it quick is go in under the ribcage, cut upwards through the diaphragm, sever the veins and arteries connected to the heart, and pull it back out under the ribcage. He could do that in around 30 seconds. Pat Wow, a new Olympic event. Goes with those X-Games things that just got on, like the four-man down hill over bumps. Maybe we could widen the bobsled track and put two or more on at once. The problem with excising the heart is that you have one hand with an extremely sharp knife and your other hand grabbing the heart in a area where you can't see either one of them; you mess up in there and you can cut the hell out of the hand you are pulling on the heart with. Bringing this back on-topic, our side just managed to kill at least 27 Afghan civilians with an errant airstrike; for their part, the bad guys just killed 14 people with a suicide bomber, including a tribal leader: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stori...039145/1/.html Pat |
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