Venus for dummies (1.0) / Brad Guth (GuthVenus)

Andromeda could turn out as being near half again as massive as our
galaxy, and with its 300+ km/sec arrival and dominate mass should make
for roughly another 2.5 billion years worth of relative safety.
However, once our galaxies start mixing it up, and some of the
interacting proper motions reaching 1000 km/sec, it’s going to be
another 250 million years worth of serious touch and go, with perhaps
250 billion stars being directly interfered with and at least 2.5
billion stars getting obliterated, and perhaps equally billions of
others created before the “all clear” message goes out.

In other words, our odds of escaping this cosmic gauntlet unscratched
are not very good, although a thousand to one odds against our solar
system getting obliterated beyond the point of no return would to most
of us seem nearly invincible. However, by then our sun isn’t going to
be all that terrific for us anyway, and that’s only if nothing from
the Sirius Oort cloud or via any other wandering nomads of planets,
planetoids or substantial asteroids haven’t nailed us.

The good news is that a great many other solar systems should pass
within a light year, and thereby making contact with other
civilizations a whole lot better for SETI. By then we should be
recovering from WWX, and our NOW managing our planet as hosting only
500 million humans will likely be capable of interstellar treks that
offer less than a few light years distance if at least 10% ‘c’ (30,000
km/sec) velocity of human space travel can be achieved.

In the meantime, we have plenty of nearby opportunities to exploit and
even fight over, such as our moon and the extremely nearby planet
Venus, whereas each of those should have been sought after as of
decades ago, instead of mutually perpetrating cold-wars, creating and
sustaining proxy wars, and the systematic exploitations of various
civilizations here on Earth.


On Apr 12, 11:00*am, Brad Guth wrote:
If we can systematically manage to exploit our planet to the very
brink of failing its 7+ billion human population, plus having
devastated the global biodiversity due to our industrialized methods
of polluting, mass consumptions and the growing lack of natural
resources that’s forcing global inflation in addition to the unpoliced
insider trading plus feeding our military industrial complex and
numerous Ponzi scams that oligarchs don’t seem to mind nor find
anything wrong with, and our having accomplished this task of global
exploitation extensively within the last thousand years, just imagine
how fast we should be able to exploit our moon and the extremely
nearby planet Venus.

If we can otherwise manage to survive for days on end while on the
100% radiated and naked surface of our physically dark and
paramagnetic moon without so much as a scratch or even one X-ray or
gamma photon finding so much as even one photographic grain of their
Kodak film that somehow offered superior dynamic range to the best or
even better than any CCD imaging, and otherwise for humans surviving
onboard ISS while drifting in the hard vacuum of space for months on
end (not to mention other mainstream arguments of going to/from Mars
being represented as no big insurmountable deal, and otherwise as for
cruising *6+ months while remaining deep underwater, as well surviving
terrestrial surface environments of always subfreezing conditions or
of those badly flooded to scorching hot and dry land being perfectly
doable, then perhaps using a composite rigid airship for accomplishing
Venus or especially the use of TBMs for digging deep into our moon,
simply can't be all that insurmountable.

On Mar 26, 11:12*am, Brad Guth wrote: What isn’t well understood about Venus is perhaps more interesting
than what little we do know, even if GuthVenus is every bit as
unnatural as it seems. *It’s a case of using our deductive
subjectivity as for filling in the blanks and connecting the dots with
the best available science. *Of course the mainstream of status-quo of
naysayers will gladly obfuscate their butts off before allowing an
outsider to get an inch or gram of credit for anything, because that’s
their job.

*“Ever-Changing Venus Superstorm Sparks Interest”
*http://news.yahoo.com/ever-changing-...arks-interest-...

*“Venus And Her Layers Of Carbon Dioxide”
*http://suyts.wordpress.com/2012/04/0...ers-of-carbon-...

*“The takeaway on all of this….. models and the theories behind them
are very useful when postulating new thoughts. *But, only if they
include the realities science has already given us. *And lastly, in
all science, regardless of the school of thought, observation is
king. *It always has been, it always will be. *You can model, theorize
and postulate until the cows come home but none of that matters when
observation tells you otherwise.”

There’s actually quite a bit of *old but perfectly reliable science
interpretation within that blog of “Suyts Space”, and you certainly do
not have to agree with all of it.

My ongoing observationology as to Venus (aka GuthVenus) is what bugs
the hell out of others, because they can’t stand whenever an outsider
has anything of value to offer and share, and besides it’s always
their redneck and FUD-master job to topic/author stalk and trash us
outsiders at every opportunity. *Proof is, in the 12+ years that I’ve
been around, it seems they can’t point to one individual they’ve ever
helped to disclose or promote anything, although having no problems
whatsoever with easily pointing out the 100% of outsiders as having
been topic/author stalked and summarily trashed at each and every
opportunity, especially on social/political issues these insiders as
FUD-masters do not want to allow any free speech benefits to go
unmoderated.

Why is the extremely nearby(100 LD) planet Venus always such a
mainstream taboo/nondisclosure issue?

Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting mountainous area
of Venus, using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or
magnify this extensively mountainous terrain of Venus that I’ve
focused upon, really shouldn’t be asking too much. *Most of modern
PhotoZoom and numerous other photographic software variations tend to
accomplish this enlargement process automatically (including iPhone
and Safari), although some extra applied filtering and thereby image
enhancing for dynamic range compensations can further improve upon the
end result (no direct pixel modifications should ever be necessary,
because it’s all a derivative from the original Magellan radar
imaging).

“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow...

*http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif

*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...8634/BradGuth#
*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”, GuthVenus

On Feb 26, 5:32*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:45*am, Brad Guth wrote:

Is Venus as truly insurmountable as we’ve been taught to believe?

It’s not exactly a Goldilocks kind of place, because it’s certainly
hot and seriously pressurized.

Those perfectly natural looking mountains, canyons and the associated
rock seem about right.

The atmosphere is mostly toxic to us, but well above them thick acidic
clouds it gets way colder than anywhere here or above Earth, and so
what gives with that?

As to its surface, is there anything that’s otherwise out of place or
irregular upon its hot crust and of the mountainous geology of its
roasted to death terrain and subsequent erosion that’s perhaps even a
wee bit unnatural or unexpected?

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“GuthVenus” at 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow...

It’s always amazing how topics associated with the investigative
exploitation of our moon, Venus or even that of utilizing their L1 or
L2, has been so systematically policy taboo/nondisclosure controlled
by those of our mainstream status-quo facade of *authority, in that
any honest attempt of a given topic to expose is automatically
forbidden (other than being topic/author stalked and trashed for all
those at risk of façade exposure can muster).

As soon as any topic or its author is the least bit suggestive that
our government is capable of not having told us the whole truth about
anything, a gauntlet of all sorts of topic/author stalking hell breaks
loose on behalf of mainstream damage-control.

Of course we also do not see any K-12s anywhere within public Usenet/
newsgroups for a darn good reason, because freedom of speech is
actually managed as something entirely conditional as to the audience
at hand. *This is also why most institutionalized prisoners are never
given internet access as to any public forums or mainstream media that
might offer an audience that isn’t being controlled or manipulated,
and most Americans as well as other Nations of oligarch controlled
intellect seem to like it that way.

Social media forums like Facebook, Twitter *and even Google+ are
equally managed on a client by client basis, of receiving context as
well as for transmitting information to any other given client or
group/circle of friends, making it really quite downright handy for
our NSA/CIA and you name it agency or special-interest group of
pretentious or self-righteous authority to monitor as well as to step
right in and covertly control opr dominate any given situation,
because public publishing of too much truth isn’t actually tolerated.
Nowadays, mainstream internet and especially intranet servers are
capable of managing each individual client, as to whatever they get to
see, because most Americans are simply not smart enough to get past
the mainstream façade.

“Façade is an artificial intelligence-based art/research experiment in
electronic narrative – an attempt to move beyond traditional branching
or hyper-linked ...”

Façade/facade: “An artificial or deceptive front: ideological slogans
that were a façade for geopolitical power struggles.”

Most proxy wars are essentially façades for reasons that the general
public isn’t allowed to discover, and the ongoing ruse and usually FUD
involved within our mainstream façade, is quite real, as is the faith-
based façade that’s continually indoctrinated into us from birth to
grave.

On the other positive/constructive hand; *where’s the down side to off-
world exploitations?

Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting area of Venus,
using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or magnify
this mountainous area of Venus that I’ve focused upon, shouldn’t be
asking too much. *Most of modern PhotoZoom and other photographic
software variations tend to accomplish this enlargement process
automatically (including iPhone and Safari), although some extra
filtering and dynamic range compensations can further improve on the
end result (no direct pixel modifications are ever necessary).

“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow...

*http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif

*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...8634/BradGuth#
*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”, GuthVenus

On Apr 20, 10:20*am, Brad Guth wrote:
Andromeda could turn out as being near half again as massive as our
galaxy, and with its 300+ km/sec arrival and dominate mass should make
for roughly another 2.5 billion years worth of relative safety.
However, once our galaxies start mixing it up, and some of the
interacting proper motions reaching 1000 km/sec, it’s going to be
another 250 million years worth of serious touch and go, with perhaps
250 billion stars being directly interfered with and at least 2.5
billion stars getting obliterated, and perhaps equally billions of
others created before the “all clear” message goes out.

In other words, our odds of escaping this cosmic gauntlet unscratched
are not very good, although a thousand to one odds against our solar
system getting obliterated beyond the point of no return would to most
of us seem nearly invincible. *However, by then our sun isn’t going to
be all that terrific for us anyway, and that’s only if nothing from
the Sirius Oort cloud or via any other wandering nomads of planets,
planetoids or substantial asteroids haven’t nailed us.

The good news is that a great many other solar systems should pass
within a light year, and thereby making contact with other
civilizations a whole lot better for SETI. *By then we should be
recovering from WWX, and our NOW managing our planet as hosting only
500 million humans will likely be capable of interstellar treks that
offer less than a few light years distance if at least 10% ‘c’ (30,000
km/sec) velocity of human space travel can be achieved.

In the meantime, we have plenty of nearby opportunities to exploit and
even fight over, such as our moon and the extremely nearby planet
Venus, whereas each of those should have been sought after as of
decades ago, instead of mutually perpetrating cold-wars, creating and
sustaining proxy wars, and the systematic exploitations of various
civilizations here on Earth.

I’ve never insisted that terraforming another planet or moon was a
good idea as for accommodating our naked Goldilocks that can’t hardly
manage to survive in Eden without getting into trouble by eating the
forbidden fruit, or being eaten alive by some preexisting wild
monsters, but when terrestrial resources are becoming only affordable
to the upper caste of oligarchs, and otherwise proxy wars and the
usual policy of FUD are becoming the status quo norm, then perhaps
going off-world isn’t such a bad nor insurmountable idea, of
everything from capturing asteroids and TBMs digging into our moon,
there’s always the extremely nearby planet Venus to exploit.

True, that without applied physics and a good application of
technology, even most of our planet isn’t all that humanly
survivable. However, given what we know of and having applied our
best technology has made a great deal of our planet survivable, and
perhaps the same can be said of terraforming the innards of our moon
or at even accomplishing the exploitation of Venus via composite rigid
airships and robotics.

If we can systematically manage to exploit our planet to the very
brink of failing its 7+ billion human population, plus having
devastated the global biodiversity due to our industrialized methods
of polluting, mass consumptions and the growing lack of natural
resources that’s forcing global inflation in addition to the unpoliced
insider trading plus feeding our military industrial complex and
numerous Ponzi scams that oligarchs don’t seem to mind nor find
anything wrong with, and our having accomplished this task of global
exploitation extensively within the last thousand years, just imagine
how fast we should be able to exploit our moon and the extremely
nearby planet Venus.

If we can otherwise manage to survive for days on end while on the
100% radiated and naked surface of our physically dark and
paramagnetic moon without so much as a scratch or even one X-ray or
gamma photon finding so much as even one photographic grain of their
Kodak film that somehow offered superior dynamic range to the best or
even better than any CCD imaging, and otherwise for humans surviving
onboard ISS while drifting through the hard vacuum of space for months
on end (not to mention other mainstream arguments of going to/from
Mars as being represented to us as no big insurmountable deal, and
otherwise as for cruising 6+ months while remaining deep underwater,
as well surviving terrestrial surface environments of always
subfreezing conditions or of those badly flooded to scorching hot and
dry land being perfectly doable, then perhaps using a composite rigid
airship for accomplishing Venus or especially the use of TBMs for
digging deep into our moon, simply can't be all that insurmountable.

Just for the sport or hell of it all, be my guest and apply your very
own photographic enlargement software, as to viewing this one small
but rather interesting mountainous area of Venus, using your
independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or magnify this
extensively mountainous terrain of Venus that I’ve focused upon,
really shouldn’t be asking too much. Most of modern PhotoZoom and
numerous other photographic software variations tend to accomplish
this enlargement process automatically (including iPhone and Safari
image zooming), although some extra applied filtering and thereby
image enhancing for dynamic range compensations (aka contrast) can
further improve upon the end result (no direct pixel modifications
should ever be necessary, because it’s all a derivative from the
original Magellan radar imaging of 36 confirming radar scans/pixel,
that can always be 100% verified).

“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...18595926178146

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif

https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...8634/BradGuth#
http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”, GuthVenus

Apparently, any context of off-world geology remains yet another taboo/
nondisclosure topic policy, whereas anything getting posted as Usenet/
newsgroup context pertaining to the research and discovery of weird
geology or the odd sorts of physics necessary for creating such highly
unusual geodynamics of such oddly symmetrical and even somewhat
community infrastructure looking items, that by rights should not
exist, is simply not being allowed to go public or much less into any
of our K-12 indoctrinated mindsets. Oddly, we can’t even seem to
openly discuss exploiting the innards of our moon.

Surely there must be at least one geophysics qualified expertise
that’s willing to contribute his/her feedback, on behalf of
interpreting whatever these highly unusual geometrical items could
represent, and/or at least given us some terrestrial examples that are
clearly of perfectly natural formations for the rest of us to compare.

Sadly I’ve been asking this of our NASA, as well as multiple other
public funded agencies and always giving an open channel to anyone
willing to give this one image of GuthVenus their best shot in the
dark or even their best geology swag. Apparently they need better
than 12 years in order to decide what to do next.


On Apr 20, 10:23*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Apr 20, 10:20*am, Brad Guth wrote:







Andromeda could turn out as being near half again as massive as our
galaxy, and with its 300+ km/sec arrival and dominate mass should make
for roughly another 2.5 billion years worth of relative safety.
However, once our galaxies start mixing it up, and some of the
interacting proper motions reaching 1000 km/sec, it’s going to be
another 250 million years worth of serious touch and go, with perhaps
250 billion stars being directly interfered with and at least 2.5
billion stars getting obliterated, and perhaps equally billions of
others created before the “all clear” message goes out.

In other words, our odds of escaping this cosmic gauntlet unscratched
are not very good, although a thousand to one odds against our solar
system getting obliterated beyond the point of no return would to most
of us seem nearly invincible. *However, by then our sun isn’t going to
be all that terrific for us anyway, and that’s only if nothing from
the Sirius Oort cloud or via any other wandering nomads of planets,
planetoids or substantial asteroids haven’t nailed us.

The good news is that a great many other solar systems should pass
within a light year, and thereby making contact with other
civilizations a whole lot better for SETI. *By then we should be
recovering from WWX, and our NOW managing our planet as hosting only
500 million humans will likely be capable of interstellar treks that
offer less than a few light years distance if at least 10% ‘c’ (30,000
km/sec) velocity of human space travel can be achieved.

In the meantime, we have plenty of nearby opportunities to exploit and
even fight over, such as our moon and the extremely nearby planet
Venus, whereas each of those should have been sought after as of
decades ago, instead of mutually perpetrating cold-wars, creating and
sustaining proxy wars, and the systematic exploitations of various
civilizations here on Earth.

I’ve never insisted that terraforming another planet or moon was a
good idea as for accommodating our naked Goldilocks that can’t hardly
manage to survive in Eden without getting into trouble by eating the
forbidden fruit, or being eaten alive by some preexisting wild
monsters, but when terrestrial resources are becoming only affordable
to the upper caste of oligarchs, and otherwise proxy wars and the
usual policy of FUD are becoming the status quo norm, then perhaps
going off-world isn’t such a bad nor insurmountable idea, of
everything from capturing asteroids and TBMs digging into our moon,
there’s always the extremely nearby planet Venus to exploit.

True, that without applied physics and a good application of
technology, even most of our planet isn’t all that humanly
survivable. *However, given what we know of and having applied our
best technology has made a great deal of our planet survivable, and
perhaps the same can be said of terraforming the innards of our moon
or at even accomplishing the exploitation of Venus via composite rigid
airships and robotics.

If we can systematically manage to exploit our planet to the very
brink of failing its 7+ billion human population, plus having
devastated the global biodiversity due to our industrialized methods
of polluting, mass consumptions and the growing lack of natural
resources that’s forcing global inflation in addition to the unpoliced
insider trading plus feeding our military industrial complex and
numerous Ponzi scams that oligarchs don’t seem to mind nor find
anything wrong with, and our having accomplished this task of global
exploitation extensively within the last thousand years, just imagine
how fast we should be able to exploit our moon and the extremely
nearby planet Venus.

If we can otherwise manage to survive for days on end while on the
100% radiated and naked surface of our physically dark and
paramagnetic moon without so much as a scratch or even one X-ray or
gamma photon finding so much as even one photographic grain of their
Kodak film that somehow offered superior dynamic range to the best or
even better than any CCD imaging, and otherwise for humans surviving
onboard ISS while drifting through the hard vacuum of space for months
on end (not to mention other mainstream arguments of going to/from
Mars as being represented to us as no big insurmountable deal, and
otherwise as for cruising *6+ months while remaining deep underwater,
as well surviving terrestrial surface environments of always
subfreezing conditions or of those badly flooded to scorching hot and
dry land being perfectly doable, then perhaps using a composite rigid
airship for accomplishing Venus or especially the use of TBMs for
digging deep into our moon, simply can't be all that insurmountable.

Just for the sport or hell of it all, be my guest and apply your very
own photographic enlargement software, as to viewing this one small
but rather interesting mountainous area of Venus, using your
independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or magnify this
extensively mountainous terrain of Venus that I’ve focused upon,
really shouldn’t be asking too much. *Most of modern PhotoZoom and
numerous other photographic software variations tend to accomplish
this enlargement process automatically (including iPhone and Safari
image zooming), although some extra applied filtering and thereby
image enhancing for dynamic range compensations (aka contrast) can
further improve upon the end result (no direct pixel modifications
should ever be necessary, because it’s all a derivative from the
original Magellan radar imaging of 36 confirming radar scans/pixel,
that can always be 100% verified).

“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow....

*http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif

*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...8634/BradGuth#
*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”, GuthVenus

Apparently, any context of off-world geology remains yet another taboo/
nondisclosure topic policy, whereas anything getting posted as Usenet/
newsgroup context pertaining to the research and discovery of weird
geology or the odd sorts of physics necessary for creating such highly
unusual geodynamics of such oddly symmetrical and even somewhat
community infrastructure looking items, that by rights should not
exist, is simply not being allowed to go public or much less into any
of our K-12 indoctrinated mindsets. Oddly, we can’t even seem to
openly discuss exploiting the innards of our moon.

Surely there must be at least one geophysics qualified expertise
that’s willing to contribute his/her feedback, on behalf of
interpreting whatever these highly unusual geometrical items could
represent, and/or at least given us some terrestrial examples that are
clearly of perfectly natural formations for the rest of us to compare.

Sadly I’ve been asking this of our NASA, as well as multiple other
public funded agencies and always giving an open channel to anyone
willing to give this one image of GuthVenus their best shot in the
dark or even their best geology swag. Apparently they need better
than 12 years in order to decide what to do next.

Pay no special attention to those hiding behind curtains (cloaked as
always politically and faith-based correct), because it's their mostly
public-funded and/or faith-based job to topic/author stalk and to
otherwise FUD everything to death. Hitler had the exact same
“Paperclip” team of ruse-masters and FUD-masters, as professional
media damage-control clowns working and/or manipulating the locals
into a mainstream status-quo mindset of always following order, which
unfortunately far too many have bought into instead of taking any
logically deductive formulated stance against their totally bat****
crazy peers.

Of course this mainstream status-quo policy of obfuscation and denial
is what brought us a mutually perpetrated cold-war era and the sort of
negative Karma likes of 911 (make that a whole lot of positive Karma
if you are an oligarch of our military industrial complex), each of
which wasted decades and costing us trillions of our hard earned
dollars, as well as having systematically squandered all sorts of
talent, expertise and resources that we'll never get back, and which
also forced other nations to follow suit.

Venus is pretty much as hot and nasty as we’ve all been indoctrinated
about. However, this not necessarily the case of each and every
location, such as mountainous and polar areas can be considerably
cooler though still extremely hot by the sorts of human Goldilocks
standards that we’re accustomed to. However, with applied physics and
reasonable technology, the surface of Venus can be dealt with, at
least robotically, and otherwise via composite rigid airships it can
be further exploited while easily protecting the airship crew. Of
course you have to think really big and perhaps even small in order to
fully appreciate the potential of what exploiting such a nearby planet
has to offer, because it’s the in-between that’s not easily
accomplished if you can only think of terrestrial methods that we get
to deal with on Earth.

Our physically dark and naked moon is just another metallicity
treasure trove of valuable resources (including much clean energy),
that’s just sitting out there and causing us mostly grief and
otherwise contributing very little terrestrial benefit, unless added
IR, X-rays and gamma plus loads of tidal surging and increased seismic
trauma is desirable.


On Apr 20, 10:20*am, Brad Guth wrote:
Andromeda could turn out as being near half again as massive as our
galaxy, and with its 300+ km/sec arrival and dominate mass should make
for roughly another 2.5 billion years worth of relative safety.
However, once our galaxies start mixing it up, and some of the
interacting proper motions reaching 1000 km/sec, it’s going to be
another 250 million years worth of serious touch and go, with perhaps
250 billion stars being directly interfered with and at least 2.5
billion stars getting obliterated, and perhaps equally billions of
others created before the “all clear” message goes out.

In other words, our odds of escaping this cosmic gauntlet unscratched
are not very good, although a thousand to one odds against our solar
system getting obliterated beyond the point of no return would to most
of us seem nearly invincible. *However, by then our sun isn’t going to
be all that terrific for us anyway, and that’s only if nothing from
the Sirius Oort cloud or via any other wandering nomads of planets,
planetoids or substantial asteroids haven’t nailed us.

The good news is that a great many other solar systems should pass
within a light year, and thereby making contact with other
civilizations a whole lot better for SETI. *By then we should be
recovering from WWX, and our NOW managing our planet as hosting only
500 million humans will likely be capable of interstellar treks that
offer less than a few light years distance if at least 10% ‘c’ (30,000
km/sec) velocity of human space travel can be achieved.

In the meantime, we have plenty of nearby opportunities to exploit and
even fight over, such as our moon and the extremely nearby planet
Venus, whereas each of those should have been sought after as of
decades ago, instead of mutually perpetrating cold-wars, creating and
sustaining proxy wars, and the systematic exploitations of various
civilizations here on Earth.

On Apr 12, 11:00*am, Brad Guth wrote: If we can systematically manage to exploit our planet to the very
brink of failing its 7+ billion human population, plus having
devastated the global biodiversity due to our industrialized methods
of polluting, mass consumptions and the growing lack of natural
resources that’s forcing global inflation in addition to the unpoliced
insider trading plus feeding our military industrial complex and
numerous Ponzi scams that oligarchs don’t seem to mind nor find
anything wrong with, and our having accomplished this task of global
exploitation extensively within the last thousand years, just imagine
how fast we should be able to exploit our moon and the extremely
nearby planet Venus.

If we can otherwise manage to survive for days on end while on the
100% radiated and naked surface of our physically dark and
paramagnetic moon without so much as a scratch or even one X-ray or
gamma photon finding so much as even one photographic grain of their
Kodak film that somehow offered superior dynamic range to the best or
even better than any CCD imaging, and otherwise for humans surviving
onboard ISS while drifting in the hard vacuum of space for months on
end (not to mention other mainstream arguments of going to/from Mars
being represented as no big insurmountable deal, and otherwise as for
cruising *6+ months while remaining deep underwater, as well surviving
terrestrial surface environments of always subfreezing conditions or
of those badly flooded to scorching hot and dry land being perfectly
doable, then perhaps using a composite rigid airship for accomplishing
Venus or especially the use of TBMs for digging deep into our moon,
simply can't be all that insurmountable.

On Mar 26, 11:12*am, Brad Guth wrote: What isn’t well understood about Venus is perhaps more interesting
than what little we do know, even if GuthVenus is every bit as
unnatural as it seems. *It’s a case of using our deductive
subjectivity as for filling in the blanks and connecting the dots with
the best available science. *Of course the mainstream of status-quo of
naysayers will gladly obfuscate their butts off before allowing an
outsider to get an inch or gram of credit for anything, because that’s
their job.

*“Ever-Changing Venus Superstorm Sparks Interest”
*http://news.yahoo.com/ever-changing-...arks-interest-...

*“Venus And Her Layers Of Carbon Dioxide”
*http://suyts.wordpress.com/2012/04/0...ers-of-carbon-...

*“The takeaway on all of this….. models and the theories behind them
are very useful when postulating new thoughts. *But, only if they
include the realities science has already given us. *And lastly, in
all science, regardless of the school of thought, observation is
king. *It always has been, it always will be. *You can model, theorize
and postulate until the cows come home but none of that matters when
observation tells you otherwise.”

There’s actually quite a bit of *old but perfectly reliable science
interpretation within that blog of “Suyts Space”, and you certainly do
not have to agree with all of it.

My ongoing observationology as to Venus (aka GuthVenus) is what bugs
the hell out of others, because they can’t stand whenever an outsider
has anything of value to offer and share, and besides it’s always
their redneck and FUD-master job to topic/author stalk and trash us
outsiders at every opportunity. *Proof is, in the 12+ years that I’ve
been around, it seems they can’t point to one individual they’ve ever
helped to disclose or promote anything, although having no problems
whatsoever with easily pointing out the 100% of outsiders as having
been topic/author stalked and summarily trashed at each and every
opportunity, especially on social/political issues these insiders as
FUD-masters do not want to allow any free speech benefits to go
unmoderated.

Why is the extremely nearby(100 LD) planet Venus always such a
mainstream taboo/nondisclosure issue?

Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting mountainous area
of Venus, using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or
magnify this extensively mountainous terrain of Venus that I’ve
focused upon, really shouldn’t be asking too much. *Most of modern
PhotoZoom and numerous other photographic software variations tend to
accomplish this enlargement process automatically (including iPhone
and Safari), although some extra applied filtering and thereby image
enhancing for dynamic range compensations can further improve upon the
end result (no direct pixel modifications should ever be necessary,
because it’s all a derivative from the original Magellan radar
imaging).

“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow...

*http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif

*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...8634/BradGuth#
*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”, GuthVenus

On Feb 26, 5:32*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:45*am, Brad Guth wrote:

Is Venus as truly insurmountable as we’ve been taught to believe?

It’s not exactly a Goldilocks kind of place, because it’s certainly
hot and seriously pressurized.

Those perfectly natural looking mountains, canyons and the associated
rock seem about right.

The atmosphere is mostly toxic to us, but well above them thick acidic
clouds it gets way colder than anywhere here or above Earth, and so
what gives with that?

As to its surface, is there anything that’s otherwise out of place or
irregular upon its hot crust and of the mountainous geology of its
roasted to death terrain and subsequent erosion that’s perhaps even a
wee bit unnatural or unexpected?

http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”,GuthVenus

“GuthVenus” at 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow...

It’s always amazing how topics associated with the investigative
exploitation of our moon, Venus or even that of utilizing their L1 or
L2, has been so systematically policy taboo/nondisclosure controlled
by those of our mainstream status-quo facade of *authority, in that
any honest attempt of a given topic to expose is automatically
forbidden (other than being topic/author stalked and trashed for all
those at risk of façade exposure can muster).

As soon as any topic or its author is the least bit suggestive that
our government is capable of not having told us the whole truth about
anything, a gauntlet of all sorts of topic/author stalking hell breaks
loose on behalf of mainstream damage-control.

Of course we also do not see any K-12s anywhere within public Usenet/
newsgroups for a darn good reason, because freedom of speech is
actually managed as something entirely conditional as to the audience
at hand. *This is also why most institutionalized prisoners are never
given internet access as to any public forums or mainstream media that
might offer an audience that isn’t being controlled or manipulated,
and most Americans as well as other Nations of oligarch controlled
intellect seem to like it that way.

Social media forums like Facebook, Twitter *and even Google+ are
equally managed on a client by client basis, of receiving context as
well as for transmitting information to any other given client or
group/circle of friends, making it really quite downright handy for
our NSA/CIA and you name it agency or special-interest group of
pretentious or self-righteous authority to monitor as well as to step
right in and covertly control opr dominate any given situation,
because public publishing of too much truth isn’t actually tolerated.
Nowadays, mainstream internet and especially intranet servers are
capable of managing each individual client, as to whatever they get to
see, because most Americans are simply not smart enough to get past
the mainstream façade.

“Façade is an artificial intelligence-based art/research experiment in
electronic narrative – an attempt to move beyond traditional branching
or hyper-linked ...”

Façade/facade: “An artificial or deceptive front: ideological slogans
that were a façade for geopolitical power struggles.”

Most proxy wars are essentially façades for reasons that the general
public isn’t allowed to discover, and the ongoing ruse and usually FUD
involved within our mainstream façade, is quite real, as is the faith-
based façade that’s continually indoctrinated into us from birth to
grave.

On the other positive/constructive hand; *where’s the down side to off-
world exploitations?

Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting area of Venus,
using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or magnify
this mountainous area of Venus that I’ve focused upon, shouldn’t be
asking too much. *Most of modern PhotoZoom and other photographic
software variations tend to accomplish this enlargement process
automatically (including iPhone and Safari), although some extra
filtering and dynamic range compensations can further improve on the
end result (no direct pixel modifications are ever necessary).

“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow...

*http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif

*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...8634/BradGuth#
*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”, GuthVenus

Here’s the rub. It seems our oligarch redneck friends of Usenet/
newsgroups would much rather spend an extra trillion per year of our
hard earned loot on behalf of sustaining their military industrial
complex, then any dime on behalf anything off-world related.

So, no matters what the best available science and deductive good
logic has to offer about our moon or the extremely nearby planet
Venus, it seems we are sh*t out of luck.

On Apr 21, 3:50*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
Apparently, any context of off-world geology remains yet another taboo/
nondisclosure topic policy, whereas anything getting posted as Usenet/
newsgroup context pertaining to the research and discovery of weird
geology or the odd sorts of physics necessary for creating such highly
unusual geodynamics of such oddly symmetrical and even somewhat
community infrastructure looking items, that by rights should not
exist, is simply not being allowed to go public or much less into any
of our K-12 indoctrinated mindsets. *Oddly, we can’t even seem to
openly discuss exploiting the innards of our moon.

Surely there must be at least one geophysics qualified expertise
that’s willing to contribute his/her feedback, on behalf of
interpreting whatever these highly unusual geometrical items could
represent, and/or at least given us some terrestrial examples that are
clearly of perfectly natural formations for the rest of us to compare.

Sadly I’ve been asking this of our NASA, as well as multiple other
public funded agencies and always giving an open channel to anyone
willing to give this one image of GuthVenus their best shot in the
dark or even their best geology swag. *Apparently they need better
than 12 years in order to decide what to do next.

Pay no special attention to those hiding behind curtains (cloaked as
always politically and faith-based correct), because it's their mostly
public-funded and/or faith-based job to topic/author stalk and to
otherwise FUD everything to death. *Hitler had the exact same
“Paperclip” team of ruse-masters and FUD-masters, as professional
media damage-control clowns working and/or manipulating the locals
into a mainstream status-quo mindset of always following order, which
unfortunately far too many have bought into instead of taking any
logically deductive formulated stance against their totally bat****
crazy peers.

Of course this mainstream status-quo policy of obfuscation and denial
is what brought us a mutually perpetrated cold-war era and the sort of
negative Karma likes of 911 (make that a whole lot of positive Karma
if you are an oligarch of our military industrial complex), each of
which wasted decades and costing us trillions of our hard earned
dollars, as well as having systematically squandered all sorts of
talent, expertise and resources that we'll never get back, and which
also forced other nations to follow suit.

Venus is pretty much as hot and nasty as we’ve all been indoctrinated
about. *However, this not necessarily the case of each and every
location, such as mountainous and polar areas can be considerably
cooler though still extremely hot by the sorts of human Goldilocks
standards that we’re accustomed to. *However, with applied physics and
reasonable technology, the surface of Venus can be dealt with, at
least robotically, and otherwise via composite rigid airships it can
be further exploited while easily protecting the airship crew. *Of
course you have to think really big and perhaps even small in order to
fully appreciate the potential of what exploiting such a nearby planet
has to offer, because it’s the in-between that’s not easily
accomplished if you can only think of terrestrial methods that we get
to deal with on Earth.

Our physically dark and naked moon is just another metallicity
treasure trove of valuable resources (including much clean energy),
that’s just sitting out there and causing us mostly grief and
otherwise contributing very little terrestrial benefit, unless added
IR, X-rays and gamma plus loads of tidal surging and increased seismic
trauma is desirable.

On Apr 20, 10:20*am, Brad Guth wrote:
Andromeda could turn out as being near half again as massive as our
galaxy, and with its 300+ km/sec arrival and dominate mass should make
for roughly another 2.5 billion years worth of relative safety.
However, once our galaxies start mixing it up, and some of the
interacting proper motions reaching 1000 km/sec, it’s going to be
another 250 million years worth of serious touch and go, with perhaps
250 billion stars being directly interfered with and at least 2.5
billion stars getting obliterated, and perhaps equally billions of
others created before the “all clear” message goes out.

In other words, our odds of escaping this cosmic gauntlet unscratched
are not very good, although a thousand to one odds against our solar
system getting obliterated beyond the point of no return would to most
of us seem nearly invincible. *However, by then our sun isn’t going to
be all that terrific for us anyway, and that’s only if nothing from
the Sirius Oort cloud or via any other wandering nomads of planets,
planetoids or substantial asteroids haven’t nailed us.

The good news is that a great many other solar systems should pass
within a light year, and thereby making contact with other
civilizations a whole lot better for SETI. *By then we should be
recovering from WWX, and our NOW managing our planet as hosting only
500 million humans will likely be capable of interstellar treks that
offer less than a few light years distance if at least 10% ‘c’ (30,000
km/sec) velocity of human space travel can be achieved.

In the meantime, we have plenty of nearby opportunities to exploit and
even fight over, such as our moon and the extremely nearby planet
Venus, whereas each of those should have been sought after as of
decades ago, instead of mutually perpetrating cold-wars, creating and
sustaining proxy wars, and the systematic exploitations of various
civilizations here on Earth.

On Apr 12, 11:00*am, Brad Guth wrote:
If we can systematically manage to exploit our planet to the very
brink of failing its 7+ billion human population, plus having
devastated the global biodiversity due to our industrialized methods
of polluting, mass consumptions and the growing lack of natural
resources that’s forcing global inflation in addition to the unpoliced
insider trading plus feeding our military industrial complex and
numerous Ponzi scams that oligarchs don’t seem to mind nor find
anything wrong with, and our having accomplished this task of global
exploitation extensively within the last thousand years, just imagine
how fast we should be able to exploit our moon and the extremely
nearby planet Venus.

If we can otherwise manage to survive for days on end while on the
100% radiated and naked surface of our physically dark and
paramagnetic moon without so much as a scratch or even one X-ray or
gamma photon finding so much as even one photographic grain of their
Kodak film that somehow offered superior dynamic range to the best or
even better than any CCD imaging, and otherwise for humans surviving
onboard ISS while drifting in the hard vacuum of space for months on
end (not to mention other mainstream arguments of going to/from Mars
being represented as no big insurmountable deal, and otherwise as for
cruising *6+ months while remaining deep underwater, as well surviving
terrestrial surface environments of always subfreezing conditions or
of those badly flooded to scorching hot and dry land being perfectly
doable, then perhaps using a composite rigid airship for accomplishing
Venus or especially the use of TBMs for digging deep into our moon,
simply can't be all that insurmountable.

On Mar 26, 11:12*am, Brad Guth wrote:
What isn’t well understood about Venus is perhaps more interesting
than what little we do know, even if GuthVenus is every bit as
unnatural as it seems. *It’s a case of using our deductive
subjectivity as for filling in the blanks and connecting the dots with
the best available science. *Of course the mainstream of status-quo of
naysayers will gladly obfuscate their butts off before allowing an
outsider to get an inch or gram of credit for anything, because that’s
their job.

*“Ever-Changing Venus Superstorm Sparks Interest”
*http://news.yahoo.com/ever-changing-...arks-interest-...

*“Venus And Her Layers Of Carbon Dioxide”
*http://suyts.wordpress.com/2012/04/0...ers-of-carbon-...

*“The takeaway on all of this….. models and the theories behind them
are very useful when postulating new thoughts. *But, only if they
include the realities science has already given us. *And lastly, in
all science, regardless of the school of thought, observation is
king. *It always has been, it always will be. *You can model, theorize
and postulate until the cows come home but none of that matters when
observation tells you otherwise.”

There’s actually quite a bit of *old but perfectly reliable science
interpretation within that blog of “Suyts Space”, and you certainly do
not have to agree with all of it.

My ongoing observationology as to Venus (aka GuthVenus) is what bugs
the hell out of others, because they can’t stand whenever an outsider
has anything of value to offer and share, and besides it’s always
their redneck and FUD-master job to topic/author stalk and trash us
outsiders at every opportunity. *Proof is, in the 12+ years that I’ve
been around, it seems they can’t point to one individual they’ve ever
helped to disclose or promote anything, although having no problems
whatsoever with easily pointing out the 100% of outsiders as having
been topic/author stalked and summarily trashed at each and every
opportunity, especially on social/political issues these insiders as
FUD-masters do not want to allow any free speech benefits to go
unmoderated.

Why is the extremely nearby(100 LD) planet Venus always such a
mainstream taboo/nondisclosure issue?

Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting mountainous area
of Venus, using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or
magnify this extensively mountainous terrain of Venus that I’ve
focused upon, really shouldn’t be asking too much. *Most of modern
PhotoZoom and numerous other photographic software variations tend to
accomplish this enlargement process automatically (including iPhone
and Safari), although some extra applied filtering and thereby image
enhancing for dynamic range compensations can further improve upon the
end result (no direct pixel modifications should ever be necessary,
because it’s all a derivative from the original Magellan radar
imaging).

“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow...

*http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif

*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...8634/BradGuth#
*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”, GuthVenus

On Feb 26, 5:32*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:45*am, Brad Guth wrote:

Is Venus as truly insurmountable as we’ve been taught to believe?

It’s not exactly a Goldilocks kind of place, because it’s certainly
hot and seriously pressurized.

Those perfectly natural looking mountains, canyons and the associated
rock seem about right.

The atmosphere is mostly toxic to us, but well above them thick acidic
clouds it gets way colder than anywhere here or above Earth, and so
what gives with that?

As to its surface, is there anything that’s otherwise out of place or
irregular upon its hot crust and of the mountainous geology of its
roasted to death terrain and subsequent erosion that’s perhaps even a
wee bit unnatural or unexpected?

http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”,GuthVenus

“GuthVenus” at 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow...

It’s always amazing how topics associated with the investigative
exploitation of our moon, Venus or even that of utilizing their L1 or
L2, has been so systematically policy taboo/nondisclosure controlled
by those of our mainstream status-quo facade of *authority, in that
any honest attempt of a given topic to expose is automatically
forbidden (other than being topic/author stalked and trashed for all
those at risk of façade exposure can muster).

As soon as any topic or its author is the least bit suggestive that
our government is capable of not having told us the whole truth about
anything, a gauntlet of all sorts of topic/author stalking hell breaks
loose on behalf of mainstream damage-control.

Of course we also do not see any K-12s anywhere within public Usenet/
newsgroups for a darn good reason, because freedom of speech is
actually managed as something entirely conditional as to the audience
at hand. *This is also why most institutionalized prisoners are never
given internet access as to any public forums or mainstream media that
might offer an audience that isn’t being controlled or manipulated,
and most Americans as well as other Nations of oligarch controlled
intellect seem to like it that way.

Social media forums like Facebook, Twitter *and even Google+ are
equally managed on a client by client basis, of receiving context as
well as for transmitting information to any other given client or
group/circle of friends, making it really quite downright handy for
our NSA/CIA and you name it agency or special-interest group of
pretentious or self-righteous authority to monitor as well as to step
right in and covertly control opr dominate any given situation,
because public publishing of too much truth isn’t actually tolerated.
Nowadays, mainstream internet and especially intranet servers are
capable of managing each individual client, as to whatever they get to
see, because most Americans are simply not smart enough to get past
the mainstream façade.

“Façade is an artificial intelligence-based art/research experiment in
electronic narrative – an attempt to move beyond traditional branching
or hyper-linked ...”

Façade/facade: “An artificial or deceptive front: ideological slogans
that were a façade for geopolitical power struggles.”

Most proxy wars are essentially façades for reasons that the general
public isn’t allowed to discover, and the ongoing ruse and usually FUD
involved within our mainstream façade, is quite real, as is the faith-
based façade that’s continually indoctrinated into us from birth to
grave.

On the other positive/constructive hand; *where’s the down side to off-
world exploitations?

Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting area of Venus,
using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or magnify
this mountainous area of Venus that I’ve focused upon, shouldn’t be
asking too much. *Most of modern PhotoZoom and other photographic
software variations tend to accomplish this enlargement process
automatically (including iPhone and Safari), although some extra
filtering and dynamic range compensations can further improve on the
end result (no direct pixel modifications are ever necessary).

“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow...

*http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif

*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...8634/BradGuth#
*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”, GuthVenus

On 4/22/2013 12:29 AM, Brad Guth wrote:
Here’s the rub.

Rub THIS.


--
"OK you ****s, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo

Here’s the latest rub. It seems our oligarch redneck friends of
Usenet/newsgroups that act/react as though Semitic but usually pretend
as being Atheists, would much rather spend an extra trillion per year
of our hard earned loot on behalf of sustaining their military
industrial complex, then allowing any dime on behalf anything off-
world related.

So, no matters what the best available science and deductive good
logic has to offer about exploiting our moon or the extremely nearby
planet Venus, it seems we are sh*t out of luck, and perhaps the only
way out of this mainstream status-quo matrix is to make certain these
oligarchs are in charge of all things off-world, and then having to
live with those consequences and whatever Karma.

Privately exploiting our moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus is
simply not an option unless your name is Rothschild or you happen to
be in charge of China or perhaps India. These off-world exploitation
are simply going to have to wait until most of our terrestrial
resources are depleted and the culling of humanity gets this planet of
ours down to the dull roar of hosting not more than 500 million of us,
and most of us will not get to select any of those 500 million that’ll
get to stay alive and only selectively reproduce. At least that’s
within the gist of what our Georgia Guidestones have to say.


On Apr 20, 10:20*am, Brad Guth wrote:
Andromeda could turn out as being near half again as massive as our
galaxy, and with its 300+ km/sec arrival and dominate mass should make
for roughly another 2.5 billion years worth of relative safety.
However, once our galaxies start mixing it up, and some of the
interacting proper motions reaching 1000 km/sec, it’s going to be
another 250 million years worth of serious touch and go, with perhaps
250 billion stars being directly interfered with and at least 2.5
billion stars getting obliterated, and perhaps equally billions of
others created before the “all clear” message goes out.

In other words, our odds of escaping this cosmic gauntlet unscratched
are not very good, although a thousand to one odds against our solar
system getting obliterated beyond the point of no return would to most
of us seem nearly invincible. *However, by then our sun isn’t going to
be all that terrific for us anyway, and that’s only if nothing from
the Sirius Oort cloud or via any other wandering nomads of planets,
planetoids or substantial asteroids haven’t nailed us.

The good news is that a great many other solar systems should pass
within a light year, and thereby making contact with other
civilizations a whole lot better for SETI. *By then we should be
recovering from WWX, and our NOW managing our planet as hosting only
500 million humans will likely be capable of interstellar treks that
offer less than a few light years distance if at least 10% ‘c’ (30,000
km/sec) velocity of human space travel can be achieved.

In the meantime, we have plenty of nearby opportunities to exploit and
even fight over, such as our moon and the extremely nearby planet
Venus, whereas each of those should have been sought after as of
decades ago, instead of mutually perpetrating cold-wars, creating and
sustaining proxy wars, and the systematic exploitations of various
civilizations here on Earth.

On Apr 12, 11:00*am, Brad Guth wrote: If we can systematically manage to exploit our planet to the very
brink of failing its 7+ billion human population, plus having
devastated the global biodiversity due to our industrialized methods
of polluting, mass consumptions and the growing lack of natural
resources that’s forcing global inflation in addition to the unpoliced
insider trading plus feeding our military industrial complex and
numerous Ponzi scams that oligarchs don’t seem to mind nor find
anything wrong with, and our having accomplished this task of global
exploitation extensively within the last thousand years, just imagine
how fast we should be able to exploit our moon and the extremely
nearby planet Venus.

If we can otherwise manage to survive for days on end while on the
100% radiated and naked surface of our physically dark and
paramagnetic moon without so much as a scratch or even one X-ray or
gamma photon finding so much as even one photographic grain of their
Kodak film that somehow offered superior dynamic range to the best or
even better than any CCD imaging, and otherwise for humans surviving
onboard ISS while drifting in the hard vacuum of space for months on
end (not to mention other mainstream arguments of going to/from Mars
being represented as no big insurmountable deal, and otherwise as for
cruising *6+ months while remaining deep underwater, as well surviving
terrestrial surface environments of always subfreezing conditions or
of those badly flooded to scorching hot and dry land being perfectly
doable, then perhaps using a composite rigid airship for accomplishing
Venus or especially the use of TBMs for digging deep into our moon,
simply can't be all that insurmountable.

On Mar 26, 11:12*am, Brad Guth wrote:
What isn’t well understood about Venus is perhaps more interesting
than what little we do know, even if GuthVenus is every bit as
unnatural as it seems. *It’s a case of using our deductive
subjectivity as for filling in the blanks and connecting the dots with
the best available science. *Of course the mainstream of status-quo of
naysayers will gladly obfuscate their butts off before allowing an
outsider to get an inch or gram of credit for anything, because that’s
their job.

*“Ever-Changing Venus Superstorm Sparks Interest”
*http://news.yahoo.com/ever-changing-...arks-interest-...

*“Venus And Her Layers Of Carbon Dioxide”
*http://suyts.wordpress.com/2012/04/0...ers-of-carbon-...

*“The takeaway on all of this….. models and the theories behind them
are very useful when postulating new thoughts. *But, only if they
include the realities science has already given us. *And lastly, in
all science, regardless of the school of thought, observation is
king. *It always has been, it always will be. *You can model, theorize
and postulate until the cows come home but none of that matters when
observation tells you otherwise.”

There’s actually quite a bit of *old but perfectly reliable science
interpretation within that blog of “Suyts Space”, and you certainly do
not have to agree with all of it.

My ongoing observationology as to Venus (aka GuthVenus) is what bugs
the hell out of others, because they can’t stand whenever an outsider
has anything of value to offer and share, and besides it’s always
their redneck and FUD-master job to topic/author stalk and trash us
outsiders at every opportunity. *Proof is, in the 12+ years that I’ve
been around, it seems they can’t point to one individual they’ve ever
helped to disclose or promote anything, although having no problems
whatsoever with easily pointing out the 100% of outsiders as having
been topic/author stalked and summarily trashed at each and every
opportunity, especially on social/political issues these insiders as
FUD-masters do not want to allow any free speech benefits to go
unmoderated.

Why is the extremely nearby(100 LD) planet Venus always such a
mainstream taboo/nondisclosure issue?

Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting mountainous area
of Venus, using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or
magnify this extensively mountainous terrain of Venus that I’ve
focused upon, really shouldn’t be asking too much. *Most of modern
PhotoZoom and numerous other photographic software variations tend to
accomplish this enlargement process automatically (including iPhone
and Safari), although some extra applied filtering and thereby image
enhancing for dynamic range compensations can further improve upon the
end result (no direct pixel modifications should ever be necessary,
because it’s all a derivative from the original Magellan radar
imaging).

“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow...

*http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif

*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...8634/BradGuth#
*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”, GuthVenus

Here’s the latest mainstream status-quo rub. It seems our oligarch
redneck friends of Usenet/newsgroups that act/react as though Semitic
but usually get to pretend as being Atheists, would much rather spend
an extra trillion per year of our hard earned loot on behalf of
sustaining their military industrial complex, then allowing any dime
spent on behalf of anything off-world related.

So, no matters what the best available science and deductive good
logic has to offer about exploiting our moon or the extremely nearby
planet Venus, it seems we are forever sh*t out of luck, and perhaps
the only way out of this mainstream status-quo matrix is to make
certain these oligarchs are in charge of all things off-world, and
then having to live with those consequences and whatever Karma.

Privately exploiting our moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus is
simply not an option unless your name is Rothschild or you happen to
be in charge of China or perhaps India. These off-world exploitations
are simply going to have to wait until most of our terrestrial
resources are depleted and the culling of humanity gets this planet of
ours down to the dull roar of hosting not more than 500 million of us,
and most of the existing generations will not get to select any of
those 500 million that’ll get to stay alive and only selectively
reproduce thereafter. At least that’s within the gist of what our
Georgia Guidestones have to say.

It’s as though our world has already been invaded by the body
snatchers, and we’re totally under their collective borg like control
regardless of whatever the best available logic and science has to
say. At least most of us are willing to go along with whatever the
upper caste of oligarchs as victors have to say, as we’re too afraid
to buck or grind against their mainstream flow, and we certainly don’t
want to be thought of as being the least bit critical of our peers
(elected or otherwise). In other words, global domination and their
New World Order (N.W.O.) is becoming a done deal, making individual
ethnicity obsolete and only one acceptable religion or suitable matrix
clone of religions permitted to coexist.

In other words, you can’t be an individual with any freedom of
thought, unless you have a death wish. At least the oligarch rednecks
of Usenet/newsgroups are never going to concede nor budge an inch way
from their mainstream status-quo dogma, just like GW Bush, Dick
Cheney, Hitler and his SS Nazis never took no for an answer, and now
we get to live with and pay for the ongoing Karma instead of achieving
off-world advancements.


On Apr 20, 10:20*am, Brad Guth wrote:
Andromeda could turn out as being near half again as massive as our
galaxy, and with its 300+ km/sec arrival and dominate mass should make
for roughly another 2.5 billion years worth of relative safety.
However, once our galaxies start mixing it up, and some of the
interacting proper motions reaching 1000 km/sec, it’s going to be
another 250 million years worth of serious touch and go, with perhaps
250 billion stars being directly interfered with and at least 2.5
billion stars getting obliterated, and perhaps equally billions of
others created before the “all clear” message goes out.

In other words, our odds of escaping this cosmic gauntlet unscratched
are not very good, although a thousand to one odds against our solar
system getting obliterated beyond the point of no return would to most
of us seem nearly invincible. *However, by then our sun isn’t going to
be all that terrific for us anyway, and that’s only if nothing from
the Sirius Oort cloud or via any other wandering nomads of planets,
planetoids or substantial asteroids haven’t nailed us.

The good news is that a great many other solar systems should pass
within a light year, and thereby making contact with other
civilizations a whole lot better for SETI. *By then we should be
recovering from WWX, and our NOW managing our planet as hosting only
500 million humans will likely be capable of interstellar treks that
offer less than a few light years distance if at least 10% ‘c’ (30,000
km/sec) velocity of human space travel can be achieved.

In the meantime, we have plenty of nearby opportunities to exploit and
even fight over, such as our moon and the extremely nearby planet
Venus, whereas each of those should have been sought after as of
decades ago, instead of mutually perpetrating cold-wars, creating and
sustaining proxy wars, and the systematic exploitations of various
civilizations here on Earth.

On Apr 12, 11:00*am, Brad Guth wrote: If we can systematically manage to exploit our planet to the very
brink of failing its 7+ billion human population, plus having
devastated the global biodiversity due to our industrialized methods
of polluting, mass consumptions and the growing lack of natural
resources that’s forcing global inflation in addition to the unpoliced
insider trading plus feeding our military industrial complex and
numerous Ponzi scams that oligarchs don’t seem to mind nor find
anything wrong with, and our having accomplished this task of global
exploitation extensively within the last thousand years, just imagine
how fast we should be able to exploit our moon and the extremely
nearby planet Venus.

If we can otherwise manage to survive for days on end while on the
100% radiated and naked surface of our physically dark and
paramagnetic moon without so much as a scratch or even one X-ray or
gamma photon finding so much as even one photographic grain of their
Kodak film that somehow offered superior dynamic range to the best or
even better than any CCD imaging, and otherwise for humans surviving
onboard ISS while drifting in the hard vacuum of space for months on
end (not to mention other mainstream arguments of going to/from Mars
being represented as no big insurmountable deal, and otherwise as for
cruising *6+ months while remaining deep underwater, as well surviving
terrestrial surface environments of always subfreezing conditions or
of those badly flooded to scorching hot and dry land being perfectly
doable, then perhaps using a composite rigid airship for accomplishing
Venus or especially the use of TBMs for digging deep into our moon,
simply can't be all that insurmountable.

On Mar 26, 11:12*am, Brad Guth wrote: What isn’t well understood about Venus is perhaps more interesting
than what little we do know, even if GuthVenus is every bit as
unnatural as it seems. *It’s a case of using our deductive
subjectivity as for filling in the blanks and connecting the dots with
the best available science. *Of course the mainstream of status-quo of
naysayers will gladly obfuscate their butts off before allowing an
outsider to get an inch or gram of credit for anything, because that’s
their job.

*“Ever-Changing Venus Superstorm Sparks Interest”
*http://news.yahoo.com/ever-changing-...arks-interest-...

*“Venus And Her Layers Of Carbon Dioxide”
*http://suyts.wordpress.com/2012/04/0...ers-of-carbon-...

*“The takeaway on all of this….. models and the theories behind them
are very useful when postulating new thoughts. *But, only if they
include the realities science has already given us. *And lastly, in
all science, regardless of the school of thought, observation is
king. *It always has been, it always will be. *You can model, theorize
and postulate until the cows come home but none of that matters when
observation tells you otherwise.”

There’s actually quite a bit of *old but perfectly reliable science
interpretation within that blog of “Suyts Space”, and you certainly do
not have to agree with all of it.

My ongoing observationology as to Venus (aka GuthVenus) is what bugs
the hell out of others, because they can’t stand whenever an outsider
has anything of value to offer and share, and besides it’s always
their redneck and FUD-master job to topic/author stalk and trash us
outsiders at every opportunity. *Proof is, in the 12+ years that I’ve
been around, it seems they can’t point to one individual they’ve ever
helped to disclose or promote anything, although having no problems
whatsoever with easily pointing out the 100% of outsiders as having
been topic/author stalked and summarily trashed at each and every
opportunity, especially on social/political issues these insiders as
FUD-masters do not want to allow any free speech benefits to go
unmoderated.

Why is the extremely nearby(100 LD) planet Venus always such a
mainstream taboo/nondisclosure issue?

Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting mountainous area
of Venus, using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or
magnify this extensively mountainous terrain of Venus that I’ve
focused upon, really shouldn’t be asking too much. *Most of modern
PhotoZoom and numerous other photographic software variations tend to
accomplish this enlargement process automatically (including iPhone
and Safari), although some extra applied filtering and thereby image
enhancing for dynamic range compensations can further improve upon the
end result (no direct pixel modifications should ever be necessary,
because it’s all a derivative from the original Magellan radar
imaging).

“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow...

*http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif

*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...8634/BradGuth#
*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”, GuthVenus

On Apr 22, 9:40*am, Brad Guth wrote:
Here’s the latest mainstream status-quo rub. *It seems our oligarch
redneck friends of Usenet/newsgroups that act/react as though Semitic
but usually get to pretend as being Atheists, would much rather spend
an extra trillion per year of our hard earned loot on behalf of
sustaining their military industrial complex, then allowing any dime
spent on behalf of anything off-world related.

So, no matters what the best available science and deductive good
logic has to offer about exploiting our moon or the extremely nearby
planet Venus, it seems we are forever sh*t out of luck, and perhaps
the only way out of this mainstream status-quo matrix is to make
certain these oligarchs are in charge of all things off-world, and
then having to live with those consequences and whatever Karma.

Privately exploiting our moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus is
simply not an option unless your name is Rothschild or you happen to
be in charge of China or perhaps India. *These off-world exploitations
are simply going to have to wait until most of our terrestrial
resources are depleted and the culling of humanity gets this planet of
ours down to the dull roar of hosting not more than 500 million of us,
and most of the existing generations will not get to select any of
those 500 million that’ll get to stay alive and only selectively
reproduce thereafter. *At least that’s within the gist of what our
Georgia Guidestones have to say.

It’s as though our world has already been invaded by the body
snatchers, and we’re totally under their collective borg like control
regardless of whatever the best available logic and science has to
say. *At least most of us are willing to go along with whatever the
upper caste of oligarchs as victors have to say, as we’re too afraid
to buck or grind against their mainstream flow, and we certainly don’t
want to be thought of as being the least bit critical of our peers
(elected or otherwise). *In other words, global domination and their
New World Order (N.W.O.) is becoming a done deal, making individual
ethnicity obsolete and only one acceptable religion or suitable matrix
clone of religions permitted to coexist.

In other words, you can’t be an individual with any freedom of
thought, unless you have a death wish. *At least the oligarch rednecks
of Usenet/newsgroups are never going to concede nor budge an inch way
from their mainstream status-quo dogma, just like GW Bush, Dick
Cheney, Hitler and his SS Nazis never took no for an answer, and now
we get to live with and pay for the ongoing Karma instead of achieving
off-world advancements.

On Apr 20, 10:20*am, Brad Guth wrote: Andromeda could turn out as being near half again as massive as our
galaxy, and with its 300+ km/sec arrival and dominate mass should make
for roughly another 2.5 billion years worth of relative safety.
However, once our galaxies start mixing it up, and some of the
interacting proper motions reaching 1000 km/sec, it’s going to be
another 250 million years worth of serious touch and go, with perhaps
250 billion stars being directly interfered with and at least 2.5
billion stars getting obliterated, and perhaps equally billions of
others created before the “all clear” message goes out.

In other words, our odds of escaping this cosmic gauntlet unscratched
are not very good, although a thousand to one odds against our solar
system getting obliterated beyond the point of no return would to most
of us seem nearly invincible. *However, by then our sun isn’t going to
be all that terrific for us anyway, and that’s only if nothing from
the Sirius Oort cloud or via any other wandering nomads of planets,
planetoids or substantial asteroids haven’t nailed us.

The good news is that a great many other solar systems should pass
within a light year, and thereby making contact with other
civilizations a whole lot better for SETI. *By then we should be
recovering from WWX, and our NOW managing our planet as hosting only
500 million humans will likely be capable of interstellar treks that
offer less than a few light years distance if at least 10% ‘c’ (30,000
km/sec) velocity of human space travel can be achieved.

In the meantime, we have plenty of nearby opportunities to exploit and
even fight over, such as our moon and the extremely nearby planet
Venus, whereas each of those should have been sought after as of
decades ago, instead of mutually perpetrating cold-wars, creating and
sustaining proxy wars, and the systematic exploitations of various
civilizations here on Earth.

On Apr 12, 11:00*am, Brad Guth wrote: If we can systematically manage to exploit our planet to the very
brink of failing its 7+ billion human population, plus having
devastated the global biodiversity due to our industrialized methods
of polluting, mass consumptions and the growing lack of natural
resources that’s forcing global inflation in addition to the unpoliced
insider trading plus feeding our military industrial complex and
numerous Ponzi scams that oligarchs don’t seem to mind nor find
anything wrong with, and our having accomplished this task of global
exploitation extensively within the last thousand years, just imagine
how fast we should be able to exploit our moon and the extremely
nearby planet Venus.

If we can otherwise manage to survive for days on end while on the
100% radiated and naked surface of our physically dark and
paramagnetic moon without so much as a scratch or even one X-ray or
gamma photon finding so much as even one photographic grain of their
Kodak film that somehow offered superior dynamic range to the best or
even better than any CCD imaging, and otherwise for humans surviving
onboard ISS while drifting in the hard vacuum of space for months on
end (not to mention other mainstream arguments of going to/from Mars
being represented as no big insurmountable deal, and otherwise as for
cruising *6+ months while remaining deep underwater, as well surviving
terrestrial surface environments of always subfreezing conditions or
of those badly flooded to scorching hot and dry land being perfectly
doable, then perhaps using a composite rigid airship for accomplishing
Venus or especially the use of TBMs for digging deep into our moon,
simply can't be all that insurmountable.

On Mar 26, 11:12*am, Brad Guth wrote: What isn’t well understood about Venus is perhaps more interesting
than what little we do know, even if GuthVenus is every bit as
unnatural as it seems. *It’s a case of using our deductive
subjectivity as for filling in the blanks and connecting the dots with
the best available science. *Of course the mainstream of status-quo of
naysayers will gladly obfuscate their butts off before allowing an
outsider to get an inch or gram of credit for anything, because that’s
their job.

*“Ever-Changing Venus Superstorm Sparks Interest”
*http://news.yahoo.com/ever-changing-...arks-interest-...

*“Venus And Her Layers Of Carbon Dioxide”
*http://suyts.wordpress.com/2012/04/0...ers-of-carbon-...

*“The takeaway on all of this….. models and the theories behind them
are very useful when postulating new thoughts. *But, only if they
include the realities science has already given us. *And lastly, in
all science, regardless of the school of thought, observation is
king. *It always has been, it always will be. *You can model, theorize
and postulate until the cows come home but none of that matters when
observation tells you otherwise.”

There’s actually quite a bit of *old but perfectly reliable science
interpretation within that blog of “Suyts Space”, and you certainly do
not have to agree with all of it.

My ongoing observationology as to Venus (aka GuthVenus) is what bugs
the hell out of others, because they can’t stand whenever an outsider
has anything of value to offer and share, and besides it’s always
their redneck and FUD-master job to topic/author stalk and trash us
outsiders at every opportunity. *Proof is, in the 12+ years that I’ve
been around, it seems they can’t point to one individual they’ve ever
helped to disclose or promote anything, although having no problems
whatsoever with easily pointing out the 100% of outsiders as having
been topic/author stalked and summarily trashed at each and every
opportunity, especially on social/political issues these insiders as
FUD-masters do not want to allow any free speech benefits to go
unmoderated.

Why is the extremely nearby(100 LD) planet Venus always such a
mainstream taboo/nondisclosure issue?

Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting mountainous area
of Venus, using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or
magnify this extensively mountainous terrain of Venus that I’ve
focused upon, really shouldn’t be asking too much. *Most of modern
PhotoZoom and numerous other photographic software variations tend to
accomplish this enlargement process automatically (including iPhone
and Safari), although some extra applied filtering and thereby image
enhancing for dynamic range compensations can further improve upon the
end result (no direct pixel modifications should ever be necessary,
because it’s all a derivative from the original Magellan radar
imaging).

“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow...

*http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif

*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...8634/BradGuth#
*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”, GuthVenus

Looks like this topic needs another update, in order to keep it on top
of the regular Usenet/newsgroup page index. This probably doesn't
help with those using Groups+, but otherwise those using ordinary
unfiltered news readers should notice.

It’s all perfectly relative, because we can always get lots of helium
and even He3 (3He) from our moon, which might some day become viable
considering the ongoing depletion of terrestrial helium. Of course
any off-world resource of rare elements like helium is going to be
spendy as hell, but if there’s an insufficient terrestrial resupply of
such essential elements that’s in greater demand than ever, is what
should make its cost a non-issue, just like the mutually perpetrated
cold-war era and subsequent proxy wars plus whatever consequence of
our military industrial complex and various Karma apparently hasn’t
been an issue for most of us, not even at having cost this world
trillions per year and having terminated millions of lives.

Some natural geothermal vents in India have been objectively
quantified as giving off 20% helium (1e25 atoms of He/m3), and none of
that considerable volume sticks around but for a few seconds per
vertical meter after each geothermal vent belch. Most natural ground
venting of helium is perhaps worth something less than 1 ppm/sec.
However, even if the average all-inclusive leakage of all things
natural plus artificially caused were only 10% of that or .1 ppm/m2/
sec, is still 5.1e13 ppm/m3/sec, and don't ever forget there's roughly
5e25 atoms/m3 of standard surface air which makes that .1 ppm/m3/sec
into being worth 5e18 atoms of helium escapement per surface cubic
meter.

5e18 x 5.1e14 x 1.67e-27 = 42.6e5 kg/sec.

As is each cubic meter of surface atmosphere supposedly contains 5.24
ppm He, which represents 2.67e20 atoms of helium that has to be
continually replenished because of the extremely low mass or specific
gravity of helium which never binds with anything, is also what makes
it a rather buoyant or lofty element, and as others having specified
that our planet would need roughly 7 times as much gravity in order to
hold onto its helium.

Even if this ongoing loss were given 1000 seconds in order to escape
each vertical cubic meter, is going to represent that .1 ppm/m3 of
natural plus artificial surface escapement is going to give an all-
inclusive global loss of 4.26e3 kg/sec, which seems a far cry greater
rate of loss than any wussy 50 grams/sec as specified by our
mainstream status-quo science that published just about everywhere.

I’ve certainly made my fair share of math mistakes in the past, and
perhaps this is yet another mistaken conclusion, but I honestly don’t
think so. If I’m way the hell off base, then why don’t our Big Energy
cartels that you always support and even worship that supposedly know
everything there is to know, bother to tell us otherwise?

Perhaps our Big Energy buddies at BP should be telling us how little
helium escapes from all of their hydrocarbon exploitations, as
compared to Shell or others.

Our planet has not been gaining atmospheric mass, even though humanity
has been doing everything possible as to increasing its saturations of
CO2 and NOx in addition to increasing water vapor plus many other
artificial contributions (mostly bad stuff) along with venting
hydrogen and helium as fast as we can manage. Perhaps initially our
planet had 100+ bar worth of an atmospheric layer protecting
everything, or nearly a hundred times more atmospheric mass to work
with, but obviously not anymore.

Helium escapement (second to the easiest of elements to blow away) is
also increased by way of solar heating and of course getting
constantly excavated away from Earth by the solar wind which includes
some of its own helium (CMEs having as much as 10% He).

Even our moon can't manage to hold onto its sodium, with an exospheric
sodium cloud of 9r and a comet like tail of 900,0000 km, of which
Earth passes directly through every time that moon gets directly
aligned between us and our sun that's typically blowing at 300+ km/
sec, which can surge to 1000+ km/sec.

There is always some influx of elements, including helium as contained
within the space dust, meteorites and asteroids, but it's a fraction
of what tonnage is being lost to space.

One of the many off-world benefits of TBMs excavating into the thick
paramagnetic basalt and carbonado crust of our moon, will be the
extraction of 2He and 3He in addition to good old O2 and various other
elements including a little H2O. The hard part of this has to do with
convincing our terrestrial oligarchs into allowing this future
treasure trove of nearby element extractions to happen before it’s too
late.

Of course, according to our Georgia Guidestones and adhering to their
specified manifesto dogma of planet Earth accommodating a maximum of
500 million, extremely well educated and wealthy humans that a great
deal of modern technology is capably taking care of, would pretty much
eliminate any need of off-world exploitations. No doubt the reason
why our FEMA and DHS needed those extra spare billions of hollow
tipped bullets (perhaps by now we’re talking 15+ bullets for each and
every man, woman and child on Earth, not to mention WMD capability
that has gotten multifold capable of eliminating most every soul on
Earth as well as wiping out most other biodiversity). Gee whiz, what
sort of global Karma could possibly go wrong (this time)?

Naturally to most that read this topic and it's replies or additions
and multiple revisions, our moon has absolutely nothing to do with
exploiting the extremely nearby planet Venus, or so you might think.


On Apr 20, 10:20*am, Brad Guth wrote:
Andromeda could turn out as being near half again as massive as our
galaxy, and with its 300+ km/sec arrival and dominate mass should make
for roughly another 2.5 billion years worth of relative safety.
However, once our galaxies start mixing it up, and some of the
interacting proper motions reaching 1000 km/sec, it’s going to be
another 250 million years worth of serious touch and go, with perhaps
250 billion stars being directly interfered with and at least 2.5
billion stars getting obliterated, and perhaps equally billions of
others created before the “all clear” message goes out.

In other words, our odds of escaping this cosmic gauntlet unscratched
are not very good, although a thousand to one odds against our solar
system getting obliterated beyond the point of no return would to most
of us seem nearly invincible. *However, by then our sun isn’t going to
be all that terrific for us anyway, and that’s only if nothing from
the Sirius Oort cloud or via any other wandering nomads of planets,
planetoids or substantial asteroids haven’t nailed us.

The good news is that a great many other solar systems should pass
within a light year, and thereby making contact with other
civilizations a whole lot better for SETI. *By then we should be
recovering from WWX, and our NOW managing our planet as hosting only
500 million humans will likely be capable of interstellar treks that
offer less than a few light years distance if at least 10% ‘c’ (30,000
km/sec) velocity of human space travel can be achieved.

In the meantime, we have plenty of nearby opportunities to exploit and
even fight over, such as our moon and the extremely nearby planet
Venus, whereas each of those should have been sought after as of
decades ago, instead of mutually perpetrating cold-wars, creating and
sustaining proxy wars, and the systematic exploitations of various
civilizations here on Earth.

On Apr 12, 11:00*am, Brad Guth wrote: If we can systematically manage to exploit our planet to the very
brink of failing its 7+ billion human population, plus having
devastated the global biodiversity due to our industrialized methods
of polluting, mass consumptions and the growing lack of natural
resources that’s forcing global inflation in addition to the unpoliced
insider trading plus feeding our military industrial complex and
numerous Ponzi scams that oligarchs don’t seem to mind nor find
anything wrong with, and our having accomplished this task of global
exploitation extensively within the last thousand years, just imagine
how fast we should be able to exploit our moon and the extremely
nearby planet Venus.

If we can otherwise manage to survive for days on end while on the
100% radiated and naked surface of our physically dark and
paramagnetic moon without so much as a scratch or even one X-ray or
gamma photon finding so much as even one photographic grain of their
Kodak film that somehow offered superior dynamic range to the best or
even better than any CCD imaging, and otherwise for humans surviving
onboard ISS while drifting in the hard vacuum of space for months on
end (not to mention other mainstream arguments of going to/from Mars
being represented as no big insurmountable deal, and otherwise as for
cruising *6+ months while remaining deep underwater, as well surviving
terrestrial surface environments of always subfreezing conditions or
of those badly flooded to scorching hot and dry land being perfectly
doable, then perhaps using a composite rigid airship for accomplishing
Venus or especially the use of TBMs for digging deep into our moon,
simply can't be all that insurmountable.

On Mar 26, 11:12*am, Brad Guth wrote: What isn’t well understood about Venus is perhaps more interesting
than what little we do know, even if GuthVenus is every bit as
unnatural as it seems. *It’s a case of using our deductive
subjectivity as for filling in the blanks and connecting the dots with
the best available science. *Of course the mainstream of status-quo of
naysayers will gladly obfuscate their butts off before allowing an
outsider to get an inch or gram of credit for anything, because that’s
their job.

*“Ever-Changing Venus Superstorm Sparks Interest”
*http://news.yahoo.com/ever-changing-...arks-interest-...

*“Venus And Her Layers Of Carbon Dioxide”
*http://suyts.wordpress.com/2012/04/0...ers-of-carbon-...

*“The takeaway on all of this….. models and the theories behind them
are very useful when postulating new thoughts. *But, only if they
include the realities science has already given us. *And lastly, in
all science, regardless of the school of thought, observation is
king. *It always has been, it always will be. *You can model, theorize
and postulate until the cows come home but none of that matters when
observation tells you otherwise.”

There’s actually quite a bit of *old but perfectly reliable science
interpretation within that blog of “Suyts Space”, and you certainly do
not have to agree with all of it.

My ongoing observationology as to Venus (aka GuthVenus) is what bugs
the hell out of others, because they can’t stand whenever an outsider
has anything of value to offer and share, and besides it’s always
their redneck and FUD-master job to topic/author stalk and trash us
outsiders at every opportunity. *Proof is, in the 12+ years that I’ve
been around, it seems they can’t point to one individual they’ve ever
helped to disclose or promote anything, although having no problems
whatsoever with easily pointing out the 100% of outsiders as having
been topic/author stalked and summarily trashed at each and every
opportunity, especially on social/political issues these insiders as
FUD-masters do not want to allow any free speech benefits to go
unmoderated.

Why is the extremely nearby(100 LD) planet Venus always such a
mainstream taboo/nondisclosure issue?

Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting mountainous area
of Venus, using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or
magnify this extensively mountainous terrain of Venus that I’ve
focused upon, really shouldn’t be asking too much. *Most of modern
PhotoZoom and numerous other photographic software variations tend to
accomplish this enlargement process automatically (including iPhone
and Safari), although some extra applied filtering and thereby image
enhancing for dynamic range compensations can further improve upon the
end result (no direct pixel modifications should ever be necessary,
because it’s all a derivative from the original Magellan radar
imaging).

“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow...

*http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif

*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...8634/BradGuth#
*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”, GuthVenus