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Old January 19th 18, 02:11 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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due to this particular cause...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01...n_earth_drift/

John Savard
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Old January 20th 18, 02:32 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Friday, 19 January 2018 08:11:05 UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
due to this particular cause...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01...n_earth_drift/

John Savard


Just relief due to the fact the Sun appears to be calming down, spot-wise.
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Old January 20th 18, 03:30 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 17:32:39 -0800 (PST), RichA
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On Friday, 19 January 2018 08:11:05 UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
due to this particular cause...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01...n_earth_drift/

John Savard


Just relief due to the fact the Sun appears to be calming down, spot-wise.


Even if it does that, there's no assurance it will result in any
temporary cooling of the Earth.
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Old January 21st 18, 07:39 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Saturday, 20 January 2018 09:30:19 UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 17:32:39 -0800 (PST), RichA
wrote:

On Friday, 19 January 2018 08:11:05 UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
due to this particular cause...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01...n_earth_drift/

John Savard


Just relief due to the fact the Sun appears to be calming down, spot-wise.


Even if it does that, there's no assurance it will result in any
temporary cooling of the Earth.


Just as the massaged data and models of global warming theory don't prove much either.
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Old January 21st 18, 11:10 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 10:39:49 -0800 (PST), RichA
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Just relief due to the fact the Sun appears to be calming down, spot-wise.


Even if it does that, there's no assurance it will result in any
temporary cooling of the Earth.


Just as the massaged data and models of global warming theory don't prove much either.


That's certainly true. I'll keep that in mind if I ever encounter any.
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Old January 22nd 18, 01:22 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Sunday, 21 January 2018 17:10:14 UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 10:39:49 -0800 (PST), RichA
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Just relief due to the fact the Sun appears to be calming down, spot-wise.

Even if it does that, there's no assurance it will result in any
temporary cooling of the Earth.


Just as the massaged data and models of global warming theory don't prove much either.


That's certainly true. I'll keep that in mind if I ever encounter any.


It's not hard to understand. Anyone surprised a research scientist looking at the potential for life-time employment, grants and tenure playing "Man of La Mancha of global warming," no wonder they the fiction as real.
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Old January 22nd 18, 01:55 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 16:22:05 -0800 (PST), RichA
wrote:

On Sunday, 21 January 2018 17:10:14 UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 10:39:49 -0800 (PST), RichA
wrote:

Just relief due to the fact the Sun appears to be calming down, spot-wise.

Even if it does that, there's no assurance it will result in any
temporary cooling of the Earth.

Just as the massaged data and models of global warming theory don't prove much either.


That's certainly true. I'll keep that in mind if I ever encounter any.


It's not hard to understand. Anyone surprised a research scientist looking at the potential for life-time employment, grants and tenure playing "Man of La Mancha of global warming," no wonder they the fiction as real.


Don't really understand much about how science works, do you?
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Old January 22nd 18, 08:03 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Monday, 22 January 2018 01:55:51 UTC+1, Chris L Peterson wrote:

It's not hard to understand. Anyone surprised a research scientist looking at the potential for life-time employment, grants and tenure playing "Man of La Mancha of global warming," no wonder they the fiction as real.


Don't really understand much about how science works, do you?


Our multilayered, multidisciplinary system of individual researchers and teams, all competing for ever more accurate results, would hugely reward those with really compelling data against AGW.

Is there some science Messiah about to save our world from AGW? Are there any "lottery winners" amongst the naysayers? I.e. Those who aren't in the pockets of Big Oil, Big Coal, Big Agro, Big Chem, Big Lobby, Big Money, Big Markets, Big Supermarkets, Big Electronics, Big Software, Big Publishing, Big Retail, Big Property, Big Fishing, Big Textile, Big Health, Big Pharma, Big Security, Big Defense, etc?

Tragically, for science, they don't have vast armies of "lawyers" and a limitless budget for lobbyists to defend the Ultra-rich terraformers from natural justice.
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Old January 22nd 18, 01:07 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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The notion of 'climate change' is a symptom of empirical modeling rather than a topic in itself. The wider population wouldn't get it that there is no right/wrong with this type of modeling insofar as the individual can simply make up whatever story they wish within the confines of the rigged system.. In this case it is using the success of short term weather modeling bumped up to climate while trying to squeeze the Earth's atmosphere into the conditions found in a backyard greenhouse.


The issue has never been the strength of the arguments on the 'climate change' side but the weakness of the opposition. In terms of modeling it is impossible to deal with the modelers in terms of the 'universal theory of gravitation' as there is no yes/no or right/wrong as they give themselves unlimited choices, all that can be done is raise the standard of discussion, the standard of historical and technical details, the standard of imaging and graphics brought to bear on the topic - in this case the highly speculative modeling agenda itself.
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Old January 22nd 18, 03:20 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 12:03:49 AM UTC-7, Chris.B wrote:

On Monday, 22 January 2018 01:55:51 UTC+1, Chris L Peterson wrote:

It's not hard to understand. Anyone surprised a research scientist
looking at the potential for life-time employment, grants and tenure
playing "Man of La Mancha of global warming," no wonder they the
fiction as real.


Don't really understand much about how science works, do you?


Our multilayered, multidisciplinary system of individual researchers and
teams, all competing for ever more accurate results, would hugely reward
those with really compelling data against AGW.

Is there some science Messiah about to save our world from AGW? Are there
any "lottery winners" amongst the naysayers? I.e. Those who aren't in the
pockets of Big Oil, Big Coal, Big Agro, Big Chem, Big Lobby, Big Money, Big
Markets, Big Supermarkets, Big Electronics, Big Software, Big Publishing,
Big Retail, Big Property, Big Fishing, Big Textile, Big Health, Big Pharma,
Big Security, Big Defense, etc?


Ironically, this is conspiracy talk, very similar to the way relativity-
deniers talk. :-)

Tragically, for science, they don't have vast armies of "lawyers" and a
limitless budget for lobbyists to defend the Ultra-rich terraformers from
natural justice.


Sure they do. They have governments supporting them. But where has "climate
science" been in courts?

Anyway, here's the data:

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/

0.44 degrees rise in 6 years (land). Looks pretty bad, huh? Here's the
recent CO2 levels:

https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/

13 ppm increase in the last 5 years (2.6 ppm/year), but the rate of increase
has been 1.7 ppm/year for the previous 32 years:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...e_Vertical.png

BUT, this graph is VERY interesting:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017...-of-stability/

US, China and the EU production of CO2 is decreasing, but India is increasing.
China is producing as much as the US, EU and India combined (10 to 11 Gt),
but the rest of the world is producing 15 Gt!

So ranting about CO2 seems unproductive. The US and EU are doing their part.
It's the rest of the world is the problem and there's little chance that they
can be convinced since they are developing countries. China is starting to
do its part, but its producing twice as much as the US.

So if AGW is caused by CO2 emissions, we're screwed. Let's hope the majority
are wrong :-)

One more point. Since AGW is true whether the temperature goes up or down,
it has become unfalsifiable. Which means it's not science.
 




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