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Houston Houston, do you hear me?
JF Mezei wrote:
On 2017-09-01 23:19, Fred J. McCall wrote: Then you should pay closer attention because the contention that frequency and severity of storms correlates only to water temperature My statement applied only to hurricanes/cyclones/typhoons which are only one type of storm, a type which forms over warm oceans and is fueled by warm ocean water. The warmer the ocean, the stronger and more frequent hurricane/cyclone/typhoon are. You are the one who claimed this was not true, pointing to other types of storms. Another one who wasn't paying attention. You, too, need to go back through the thread and read everything. -- "You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear." -- Mark Twain |
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Houston Houston, do you hear me?
Le Sep/2/2017 à 12:58 PM, Fred J. McCall a écrit :
Alain Fournier wrote: Le Sep/1/2017 à 11:19 PM, Fred J. McCall a écrit : Alain Fournier wrote: On Aug/31/2017 at 9:13 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote : Alain Fournier wrote: On Aug/31/2017 at 1:24 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote : Rob wrote: Fred J McCall wrote: Rob wrote: Fred J McCall wrote: OK, you're adamantly ignorant. Your choice. Again, given global warming, why do we not have constantly increasing storm power and frequency (because we don't, you know)? Because global warming only means the AVERAGE temperature is going up. The ACTUAL temperature, both locally and globally, varies around that average and is not higher everywhere and always. Everyone except Donald and you understands that. In other words, like all GCC True Believers, the evidence only matters when you say it does. If the AVERAGE temperature is going up, the AVERAGE storm should be more severe and the AVERAGE number should be going up. Why are neither of those two things true? But they ARE true! Hogwash! You are entitled to your own opinion but you are NOT entitled to your own data. https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/top10.asp Did you actually look at the site you cited? Seasons with the most named storms, 1851 - Present 11 of 15 years given, or 73%, are in the past 25 years. By random this should be about 15%. Seasons with the most hurricanes, 1851 - Present 5 out of 10 given, or 50%, are in the past 25 years. By random, this should be about 15%. Seasons with the most major hurricanes, 1851 - Present 3 out of 8 given, or 38%, are in the past 25 years. By random, this should be about 15%. Seasons with the highest Accumulated Cyclone Energy, 1851 - Present 4 out of 10 given, or 40%, are in the past 25 years. By random, this should be about 15%. That's all the info given on that site. All of it showing that we now having more severe weather than in the past. But it is not, as it should be if GCC is true and only water temperature matters, monotonically increasing. What are you talking about? I don't think I have ever seen anyone anywhere claim that global warming is monotonic, nor anyone saying only water temperature matters. There really no reason whatsoever to think that hurricanes should increase monotonically. Then you should pay closer attention because the contention that frequency and severity of storms correlates only to water temperature is what I've been arguing against right along. Perhaps you should understand the positions being taken before you mix in? Care to show who and when someone said that frequency and severity of storms correlates *only* to water temperature? JF Mezei said on Aug 30 at 1:25 AM, that "So warmer oceans will result in more frequent extreme weather events." He didn't say that there are no other causes for extreme weather or that the increase of frequency in extreme weather events will be monotonic. You pulled that out, because you needed a straw man. No, I don't care to show you. I'm disinclined to go wading back through the thread just because you failed to pay attention. Go read Rob's ****e, you lying ****wit, and stop molesting your straw man. So if you don’t want to wade back through the thread I will help you a little. Maybe you should pay attention yourself to what you have written yourself. On Aug 30 at 11:39 PM, Fred J.McCall wrote: OK, you're adamantly ignorant. Your choice. Again, given global warming, why do we not have constantly increasing storm power and frequency (because we don't, you know)? On Aug 31 at 4:34 AM, Rob wrote: Because global warming only means the AVERAGE temperature is going up. The ACTUAL temperature, both locally and globally, varies around that average and is not higher everywhere and always. [Rob isn’t saying that anything is going up monotonically, he is talking about the average.] On Aug 31 at 9:46 AM, Fred J.McCall wrote: In other words, like all GCC True Believers, the evidence only matters when you say it does. If the AVERAGE temperature is going up, the AVERAGE storm should be more severe and the AVERAGE number should be going up. Why are neither of those two things true? [Note that the emphasis in the word AVERAGE is from Fred J.McCall note mine.] On Aug 31 at 10:05 AM, ob wrote: But they ARE true! On Aug 31 at 1:24 PM, Fred J.McCall wrote: Hogwash! You are entitled to your own opinion but you are NOT entitled to your own data. https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/top10.asp On Aug 31 at 7:52 PM, Alain Fournier wrote: Did you actually look at the site you cited? Seasons with the most named storms, 1851 - Present 11 of 15 years given, or 73%, are in the past 25 years. By random this should be about 15%. … On Aug 31 at 9:13 PM, Fred J.McCall wrote: But it is not, as it should be if GCC is true and only water temperature matters, monotonically increasing. [You’re the first asking that they should be monotonically increasing here. That assertion is hogwash.] Alain Fournier |
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Houston Houston, do you hear me?
Alain Fournier wrote:
Le Sep/2/2017 à 12:58 PM, Fred J. McCall a écrit : Alain Fournier wrote: Le Sep/1/2017 à 11:19 PM, Fred J. McCall a écrit : Alain Fournier wrote: On Aug/31/2017 at 9:13 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote : Alain Fournier wrote: On Aug/31/2017 at 1:24 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote : Rob wrote: Fred J McCall wrote: Rob wrote: Fred J McCall wrote: OK, you're adamantly ignorant. Your choice. Again, given global warming, why do we not have constantly increasing storm power and frequency (because we don't, you know)? Because global warming only means the AVERAGE temperature is going up. The ACTUAL temperature, both locally and globally, varies around that average and is not higher everywhere and always. Everyone except Donald and you understands that. In other words, like all GCC True Believers, the evidence only matters when you say it does. If the AVERAGE temperature is going up, the AVERAGE storm should be more severe and the AVERAGE number should be going up. Why are neither of those two things true? But they ARE true! Hogwash! You are entitled to your own opinion but you are NOT entitled to your own data. https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/top10.asp Did you actually look at the site you cited? Seasons with the most named storms, 1851 - Present 11 of 15 years given, or 73%, are in the past 25 years. By random this should be about 15%. Seasons with the most hurricanes, 1851 - Present 5 out of 10 given, or 50%, are in the past 25 years. By random, this should be about 15%. Seasons with the most major hurricanes, 1851 - Present 3 out of 8 given, or 38%, are in the past 25 years. By random, this should be about 15%. Seasons with the highest Accumulated Cyclone Energy, 1851 - Present 4 out of 10 given, or 40%, are in the past 25 years. By random, this should be about 15%. That's all the info given on that site. All of it showing that we now having more severe weather than in the past. But it is not, as it should be if GCC is true and only water temperature matters, monotonically increasing. What are you talking about? I don't think I have ever seen anyone anywhere claim that global warming is monotonic, nor anyone saying only water temperature matters. There really no reason whatsoever to think that hurricanes should increase monotonically. Then you should pay closer attention because the contention that frequency and severity of storms correlates only to water temperature is what I've been arguing against right along. Perhaps you should understand the positions being taken before you mix in? Care to show who and when someone said that frequency and severity of storms correlates *only* to water temperature? JF Mezei said on Aug 30 at 1:25 AM, that "So warmer oceans will result in more frequent extreme weather events." He didn't say that there are no other causes for extreme weather or that the increase of frequency in extreme weather events will be monotonic. You pulled that out, because you needed a straw man. No, I don't care to show you. I'm disinclined to go wading back through the thread just because you failed to pay attention. Go read Rob's ****e, you lying ****wit, and stop molesting your straw man. So if you don’t want to wade back through the thread I will help you a little. Maybe you should pay attention yourself to what you have written yourself. Perhaps you should interest yourself in something other than your constant carping and distortion. Go do what I told you. -- "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar territory." --G. Behn |
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Houston Houston, do you hear me?
On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 3:14:09 PM UTC-4, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Alain Fournier wrote: Le Sep/2/2017 Ã* 12:58 PM, Fred J. McCall a écrit : Alain Fournier wrote: Le Sep/1/2017 Ã* 11:19 PM, Fred J. McCall a écrit : Alain Fournier wrote: On Aug/31/2017 at 9:13 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote : Alain Fournier wrote: On Aug/31/2017 at 1:24 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote : Rob wrote: Fred J McCall wrote: Rob wrote: Fred J McCall wrote: OK, you're adamantly ignorant. Your choice. Again, given global warming, why do we not have constantly increasing storm power and frequency (because we don't, you know)? Because global warming only means the AVERAGE temperature is going up. The ACTUAL temperature, both locally and globally, varies around that average and is not higher everywhere and always. Everyone except Donald and you understands that. In other words, like all GCC True Believers, the evidence only matters when you say it does. If the AVERAGE temperature is going up, the AVERAGE storm should be more severe and the AVERAGE number should be going up. Why are neither of those two things true? But they ARE true! Hogwash! You are entitled to your own opinion but you are NOT entitled to your own data. https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/top10.asp Did you actually look at the site you cited? Seasons with the most named storms, 1851 - Present 11 of 15 years given, or 73%, are in the past 25 years. By random this should be about 15%. Seasons with the most hurricanes, 1851 - Present 5 out of 10 given, or 50%, are in the past 25 years. By random, this should be about 15%. Seasons with the most major hurricanes, 1851 - Present 3 out of 8 given, or 38%, are in the past 25 years. By random, this should be about 15%. Seasons with the highest Accumulated Cyclone Energy, 1851 - Present 4 out of 10 given, or 40%, are in the past 25 years. By random, this should be about 15%. That's all the info given on that site. All of it showing that we now having more severe weather than in the past. But it is not, as it should be if GCC is true and only water temperature matters, monotonically increasing. What are you talking about? I don't think I have ever seen anyone anywhere claim that global warming is monotonic, nor anyone saying only water temperature matters. There really no reason whatsoever to think that hurricanes should increase monotonically. Then you should pay closer attention because the contention that frequency and severity of storms correlates only to water temperature is what I've been arguing against right along. Perhaps you should understand the positions being taken before you mix in? Care to show who and when someone said that frequency and severity of storms correlates *only* to water temperature? JF Mezei said on Aug 30 at 1:25 AM, that "So warmer oceans will result in more frequent extreme weather events." He didn't say that there are no other causes for extreme weather or that the increase of frequency in extreme weather events will be monotonic. You pulled that out, because you needed a straw man. No, I don't care to show you. I'm disinclined to go wading back through the thread just because you failed to pay attention. Go read Rob's ****e, you lying ****wit, and stop molesting your straw man. So if you don’t want to wade back through the thread I will help you a little. Maybe you should pay attention yourself to what you have written yourself. Perhaps you should interest yourself in something other than your constant carping and distortion. I'm sorry if I have distorted what you have said. Maybe that's due to the fact that I don't understand what your position is. On Aug 31 at 9:46 AM, you wrote: In other words, like all GCC True Believers, the evidence only matters when you say it does. If the AVERAGE temperature is going up, the AVERAGE storm should be more severe and the AVERAGE number should be going up. Why are neither of those two things true? Then on Aug 31 at 1:24 PM, you cited: https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/top10.asp which seam to indicates that the average number of storms is going up, and that the severity is going up. So do you think that the average number of storms and severity is going up or not? Alain Fournier |
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Houston Houston, do you hear me?
JF Mezei wrote:
From: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh.../042037.shtml? The hurricane will be moving through an environment of low vertical wind shear, a moist mid-level atmosphere, and increasing upper-ocean heat content. These conditions favor intensification and the intensity guidance continues to call for some additional strengthening during the next couple of days. Note the use of "upper-ocean heat content" as one of the drivers that to make a hurricane stronger. (and it is the main driver to create a weather system that becomes a hurricane). Note the use of "upper-ocean heat content" as *ONE* of the drivers that make a hurricane (and make it stronger). Warmer ocean waters means stronger hurricanes, and also longer hurricane seasons because ocean temperature takes longer to cool below the point where weather systems cannot be strong enough to be hurricanes. And yet the data doesn't really support that very well. -- "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar territory." --G. Behn |
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Houston Houston, do you hear me?
Le 31/08/2017 Ã* 15:46, Fred J. McCall a écritÂ*:
In other words, like all GCC True Believers, the evidence only matters when you say it does. If the AVERAGE temperature is going up, the AVERAGE storm should be more severe and the AVERAGE number should be going up. Why are neither of those two things true? Categorie 5 Hurricane Irma will hit the U.S. this week-end. It is the strongest hurricane since 10 years, with sustained gusts of 180 miles per hour (289 Km/h) at the center. There is no blinder person as the man who doesn't want to see. And no, I will not pray for the U.S. Who would I pray to? To the same that is sending them one blow after the other? If it enters the Gulf it wil devastate a zone already hit very hard. And if it goes to New York, as some meteorologists were predicting, it would be horrible for New Yorkers and would devastate a second big city. Hurricane season is just starting. |
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Houston Houston, do you hear me?
jacob navia wrote:
Le 31/08/2017 à 15:46, Fred J. McCall a écrit*: In other words, like all GCC True Believers, the evidence only matters when you say it does. If the AVERAGE temperature is going up, the AVERAGE storm should be more severe and the AVERAGE number should be going up. Why are neither of those two things true? Categorie 5 Hurricane Irma will hit the U.S. this week-end. It is the strongest hurricane since 10 years, with sustained gusts of 180 miles per hour (289 Km/h) at the center. There is no blinder person as the man who doesn't want to see. So why the 10 year gap between 'strongest storm' given continual global warming? Speaking of 'blinder' and all... -- "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar territory." --G. Behn |
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Houston Houston, do you hear me?
JF Mezei wrote:
On 2017-09-05 15:24, jacob navia wrote: Categorie 5 Hurricane Irma will hit the U.S. this week-end. It is the strongest hurricane since 10 years, with sustained gusts of 180 miles per hour (289 Km/h) at the center. NHC just announced that its is now the strongest Atlantic hurricane on record. (and as it moves into warmer caribeen, could get even stronger). The problem with climate deniers is that they insist on seeing events as isolated events, refuse to notice that weather is becoming a more and more frequent cause for damage around the world. Refuse to notice things that didn't happen. Climate specialists have been warning for decades now that warmer oceans will cause mroe hurricanes and stronger ones. Yes, they have been warning for years and years and it didn't happen and it didn't happen and it didn't happen. And when it happens, the climate deniers still refuse to accept the reality. A couple storms in one year isn't 'climate'. -- "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar territory." --G. Behn |
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Houston Houston, do you hear me?
On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 12:59:01 AM UTC-4, Fred J. McCall wrote:
JF Mezei wrote: On 2017-09-05 15:24, jacob navia wrote: Categorie 5 Hurricane Irma will hit the U.S. this week-end. It is the strongest hurricane since 10 years, with sustained gusts of 180 miles per hour (289 Km/h) at the center. NHC just announced that its is now the strongest Atlantic hurricane on record. (and as it moves into warmer caribeen, could get even stronger). The problem with climate deniers is that they insist on seeing events as isolated events, refuse to notice that weather is becoming a more and more frequent cause for damage around the world. Refuse to notice things that didn't happen. Climate specialists have been warning for decades now that warmer oceans will cause mroe hurricanes and stronger ones. Yes, they have been warning for years and years and it didn't happen and it didn't happen and it didn't happen. And when it happens, the climate deniers still refuse to accept the reality. A couple storms in one year isn't 'climate'. Global warmists are like a broken record, their needle is stuck, "click, click, click, click ..." |
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