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Old November 21st 09, 04:27 AM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military
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It sounds like the general thrust of the stuff discussed on here a
couple months back, it could be a neat "on call" rescue launcher!
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Old November 21st 09, 05:10 AM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military
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On Nov 20, 10:27*pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:
It sounds like the general thrust of the stuff discussed on here a
couple months back, it could be a neat "on call" rescue launcher!


I thought that was what soyuz was for.
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Old November 21st 09, 05:48 AM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military
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On Nov 20, 10:10*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Nov 20, 10:27*pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:

It sounds like the general thrust of the stuff discussed on here a
couple months back, it could be a neat "on call" rescue launcher!


I thought that was what soyuz was for.


Yes, but wouldn;t a modern lifeboat be preferable to a 50 year old
design? We need to upgrade at some point, why not now? The shuttle
is fork-tender - its a new era in US space travel and relying on that
rickety old Soviet ball in an emergency doesn't mesh with fielding a
brand new generation of heavy lift vehicle for the push towards a moon
base and ultimately the jump to Mars. Time to upgrade.

v/r Gordon
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Old November 21st 09, 06:41 AM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military
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Default Military Space Plane = Space life boat?

Note this article from November 12, 2002:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2453603.stm

Quote:

"The US space agency (Nasa) is to accelerate the
development of a replacement for the space shuttle
and produce a "lifeboat" for the International Space
Station (ISS)."


This is not a new idea.
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Old November 21st 09, 10:40 AM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military
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No, I simply cannot understand why the military has been allowed to design
this. Surely if it is of any use as in this thread, someone, somewhere
should have twigged it earlier, and seen the potential.
Is it a case of left hand not knowing what right hand is up to on a grand
scale, or is the space plane either rubbish, or designed for something more
sinister?
How many crew does it have, and also how safe is it given the current
criteria of nasa future vehicles?
Brian

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Note this article from November 12, 2002:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2453603.stm

Quote:

"The US space agency (Nasa) is to accelerate the
development of a replacement for the space shuttle
and produce a "lifeboat" for the International Space
Station (ISS)."


This is not a new idea.



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Old November 21st 09, 12:27 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military
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On Nov 21, 4:40*am, "Brian Gaff" wrote:
No, I simply cannot understand why the military has been allowed to design
this. Surely if it is of any use as in this thread, someone, somewhere
should have *twigged it earlier, and *seen the potential.
Is it a case of left hand not knowing what right hand is up to on a grand
scale, or is the space plane either rubbish, or designed for something more
sinister?
How many crew does it have, and also how safe is it given the current
criteria of nasa *future vehicles?
Brian

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Note this article from *November 12, 2002:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2453603.stm


Quote:


"The US space agency (Nasa) is to accelerate the
development of a replacement for the space shuttle
and produce a "lifeboat" for the International Space
Station (ISS)."


This is not a new idea.




Is there not a Soyuz hanging on the ISS?

http://news.softpedia.com/news/ISS-C...9-106707.shtml
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Old November 21st 09, 01:50 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military
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"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message
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On Nov 21, 4:40 am, "Brian Gaff" wrote:
Is there not a Soyuz hanging on the ISS?
http://news.softpedia.com/news/ISS-C...9-106707.shtml


Actually that article is out of date. Since there are now 6 crew on the ISS,
there are always at least 2 Soyuz spacecraft docked at the ISS standing by for
"lifeboat" duty. They work fine and must be a far cheaper, simpler, and safer
solution than any new "spaceplane" design could possibly be.

Vaughn



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Old November 21st 09, 04:58 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military
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Yes, but wouldn;t a modern lifeboat be preferable to a 50 year old
design? �We need to upgrade at some point, why not now? �The shuttle
is fork-tender - its a new era in US space travel and relying on that
rickety old Soviet ball in an emergency doesn't mesh with fielding a
brand new generation of heavy lift vehicle for the push towards a moon
base and ultimately the jump to Mars. �Time to upgrade.

v/r Gordon


Ahh dont you realize the push too moon mars isnt affordable given the
realties of our times.......

heck nasa wasted how many billion on a poor conception, bad idea
launcher that probaby had its first and last launch, which was just
for show anyway?

while all along we had delta and atlas heavy expendables and we could
of been flying our new crew vehicle by now..........

shuttle program is winding down with no affordable replacement, and
ISS is scheduled to end in 2015.

lets face facts US man in space days are cming to a close

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Old November 21st 09, 04:59 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military
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On Nov 21, 7:50�am, "vaughn"
wrote:
"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message

...
On Nov 21, 4:40 am, "Brian Gaff" wrote:

Is there not a Soyuz hanging on the ISS?
http://news.softpedia.com/news/ISS-C...-Soyuz-039-Lif...


Actually that article is out of date. �Since there are now 6 crew on the ISS,
there are always at least 2 Soyuz spacecraft docked at the ISS standing by for
"lifeboat" duty. �They work fine and must be a far cheaper, simpler, and safer
solution than any new "spaceplane" design could possibly be.

Vaughn


MOOSE, although sounding wierd, should be standard equiptement on all
human LEO flights.

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Old November 21st 09, 05:11 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:50:36 -0500, "vaughn"
wrote:


Actually that article is out of date. Since there are now 6 crew on the ISS,


Oddly enough, due to Soyuz and Shuttle scheduling irregularities, ISS
is down to 2 crew in December.

there are always at least 2 Soyuz spacecraft docked at the ISS standing by for
"lifeboat" duty. They work fine and must be a far cheaper, simpler, and safer
solution than any new "spaceplane" design could possibly be.


There are advantages to the original X-38 CRV idea, though. For
starters, it would have been delivered to ISS as Shuttle cargo, and
therefore would not have fired its engines until it was needed. This
gave X-38 an orbital shelf-life of 2-3 years, compared to 6 months for
Soyuz. X-38 also would have offered a Shuttle-like gentle ride to the
ground, instead of Soyuz's high-g, retro-rocket landing, and that
would have been important in the CRV's most likely role: evacuation of
a sick or injured crewmember.

Brian
 




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