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Old October 18th 14, 09:18 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
David Goldfarb
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Default Where does anyone get off restricting space to anyone?

In article ,
Lord Vath wrote:
I claimed an entire lake. I went out to the center of Lake Erie and
claimed all of it in front of witnesses. I claimed the entire lake,
all the lands around it, all the rivers going into it and all the
lands around those rivers. And this claim, when challenged in courts,
has ALWAYS been upheld.


That isn't true. No challenge in court has ever overturned it, but
that's not the same thing as its being upheld.

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Old October 18th 14, 11:06 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:36:59 AM UTC-6, RichA wrote:
Why does anyone on Earth have the right to dictate who can claim space objects?


http://phys.org/news/2014-10-moon.html


They're only dictating to other Earthlings. Property rights of intelligent
aliens in their own home worlds and other bodies they are utilizing are not
affected by the UN Moon Treaty - an expedient adopted at the time of the Cold
War to prevent a race to colonization in space from creating inequality and
leading to conflict on Earth.

This is not to say that the arrangement is well-advised; clearly, it will need
to be revisited to permit effective use of the Solar System.

John Savard
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Old October 18th 14, 11:56 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:33:12 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:18:27 -0700 (PDT), wrote:



"If you just simply occupy a place and no one else can access or use it, aren't you the de facto owner?"




No. Because how it is used can still be subject to law.


"Earth law?"
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Old October 18th 14, 11:58 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:30:46 PM UTC-4, Mike Collins wrote:
RichA wrote:

Why does anyone on Earth have the right to dictate who can claim space objects?




http://phys.org/news/2014-10-moon.html




You right wingers are always bleating in about rights.

No rights here.

Whoever sets up the colonies or captures the steroids will keep them.


Good. That's how it should be. Not dictated by a group of scumbag, lazy, useless SOCIALISTS who want to figure out a way of exacting tribute for DOING NO WORK.
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Old October 18th 14, 11:59 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
RichA[_1_]
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On Saturday, October 18, 2014 6:06:12 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
On Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:36:59 AM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

Why does anyone on Earth have the right to dictate who can claim space objects?




http://phys.org/news/2014-10-moon.html




They're only dictating to other Earthlings. Property rights of intelligent

aliens in their own home worlds and other bodies they are utilizing are not

affected by the UN Moon Treaty - an expedient adopted at the time of the Cold

War to prevent a race to colonization in space from creating inequality and

leading to conflict on Earth.



This is not to say that the arrangement is well-advised; clearly, it will need

to be revisited to permit effective use of the Solar System.



John Savard


They should open up the solar system like land in the American West in the 1800's, it's a fastest way to see development happen. Just stake a claim.
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Old October 19th 14, 12:15 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Lord Vath
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Default Where does anyone get off restricting space to anyone?

On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:59:14 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote this crap:

On Saturday, October 18, 2014 6:06:12 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
On Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:36:59 AM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

Why does anyone on Earth have the right to dictate who can claim space objects?



They're only dictating to other Earthlings. Property rights of intelligent

aliens in their own home worlds and other bodies they are utilizing are not

affected by the UN Moon Treaty - an expedient adopted at the time of the Cold

War to prevent a race to colonization in space from creating inequality and

leading to conflict on Earth.



This is not to say that the arrangement is well-advised; clearly, it will need

to be revisited to permit effective use of the Solar System.



John Savard


They should open up the solar system like land in the American
West in the 1800's, it's a fastest way to see development happen.
Just stake a claim.


I want to stake a claim on all of Mars before the Wong family gets it
and puts up that sign, "You've come to the Wong Place."


This signature is now the ultimate
power in the universe
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Old October 19th 14, 11:04 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Chris.B[_2_]
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Default Where does anyone get off restricting space to anyone?

On Sunday, 19 October 2014 00:59:14 UTC+2, TrollA wrote:

They should open up the solar system like land in the American West in the 1800's, it's a fastest way to see development happen. Just stake a claim.


Fast track, red neck development which ignored the long term inhabitant's rights to life, peace and happiness.
How would you feel if an alien race did exactly the same to the present, backward whiteskin savages of the USA?

Development of foreign, national, natural assets and resources by theft is no different from actual invasion.
Hence today's "US made and proud of it" terrorism.
"If you're not with us you are against us" feigned paranoia.
How else will the US armed forces/defense/security services be allowed to continue bleeding the US dry?

The apeman/caveman principle of stealing your neighbour's goods by force has not changed despite the show of wearing [slave-made] clothes in "polite company."
You are all safely wrapped up in your comfort blanket of the American Dream/God's Own Country/Stars and Stripes bull****.
You choose to ignore having the largest prison population, astronomical crime and murder rates and completely unaffordable law enforcement/security/lawyer services per capita.

Meanwhile you choose to ignore the US Investment Banking Mafia's crimes against humanity.
It is no wonder you can't afford to heal your bulging population.
Not satisfied with your own obscene crime statistics you export crime all over the world in your insatiable greed for cheap drugs, cheap resources and slave-made goods.

What about Tax avoidance by your vast global monopolies?
Isn't their selfish behaviour exactly the same bull**** you claim to hate in "socialist scroungers"?
Isn't allowing tax avoidance exactly the same as subsidizing countless billions of dollars to private companies.
Subsidies paid with *normal* taxpayer's own hard earned income?
Would these same companies enjoy a global monopoly under any other nation's flag if they had to pay their taxes?
Are you allowed to leave a shop, service or outlet without ever paying the bill and taxes?
So what makes them special?

The American Dream: Obtaining great wealth without any effort or consequence. Never pay your bills. Live the high life on a mountain of credit.
Never pay for abusing our entire world's population, security, atmosphere, natural resources and climate.

This all continues regardless of who pretends to be in power in your hypocritical, God Forsaken country!
Your system of government is so broken that your leave the multi-billionaire, tax avoiding investment/media owning crooks, in charge by default.

So stop whining about "socialist scroungers" as if you actually believe it.
The US is the biggest scrounger/waster on the entire planet by a HUGE margin!
Unless the present invasion "by illegal aliens" actually changes the physical/mental complexion of the US nothing will ever improve.

 




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