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A recent secret launch of a rocket off the coast of California?
On Nov 9, 5:50*pm, Brian Thorn wrote:
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 23:32:17 +0000 (UTC), Rick Jones wrote: A US Airways 757, Honolulu to Phoenix flew through the area at the time of the sighting. Its contrail though should look like it was appearing out of the ocean in the West and then going overhead to the East shouldn't it? Which it does. The wider part of the trail is farther away from the viewer, as the contrail expanded with time. The narrow tip of the trail is actually closest to the viewer, passing 30,000 feet above and ahead of the camera. At least 1 LA TV station's news program today filmed a similar contrail today, and zoomed in enough to show the airliner laying it down. /dps |
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A recent secret launch of a rocket off the coast of California?
On Nov 9, 7:45*pm, Orval Fairbairn
wrote: In article , *Brian Thorn wrote: On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 23:32:17 +0000 (UTC), Rick Jones wrote: A US Airways 757, Honolulu to Phoenix flew through the area at the time of the sighting. Its contrail though should look like it was appearing out of the ocean in the West and then going overhead to the East shouldn't it? Which it does. The wider part of the trail is farther away from the viewer, as the contrail expanded with time. The narrow tip of the trail is actually closest to the viewer, passing 30,000 feet above and ahead of the camera. Brian Not only that, but ascending smoke trails from rockets get all raggedy-looking as the rocket gains altitude, through winds of varying speeds and directions. sometimes yes, sometimes no: http://www.spacearchive.info/temp-delta-ii-cosmo-4.jpg (Brian Webb's fine foto; he may also have his comments up on the site, but has seen many jet contrails look like Monday's) Conclusion: contrail at altitude. I think you've got the right conclusion, but your argument is a bit shakey. /dps |
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On Nov 9, 2:08*pm, |"
wrote: It was caught on tape and the government says it wasn't something a foreign power did. Star wars still or just a test of submarine based missiles to see if they work? I'm thinking large HTP + RP-1 fueled rocket. Our guys missed this one, and we got lucky. ~ BG |
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A recent secret launch of a rocket off the coast of California?
Orval Fairbairn wrote:
Not only that, but ascending smoke trails from rockets get all raggedy-looking as the rocket gains altitude, through winds of varying speeds and directions. Conclusion: contrail at altitude. When I lived in LA metro I remember seeing the impressive high altitude clouds backlit by the setting sun. They shown well after dark because they were so high in the stratosphere. I remember such clouds from sunset launches from both Vandenburg AFB and PTMC Pt Mugu NAS. If no such clouds were visible about an hour later it was a jet contrail with a really cool looking angle of perspective. |
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A recent secret launch of a rocket off the coast of California?
In article , bthorn64
@suddenlink.net says... On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 14:08:06 -0800 (PST), |" wrote: It was caught on tape and the government says it wasn't something a foreign power did. Star wars still or just a test of submarine based missiles to see if they work? Airliner flying in usual atmospheric and lighting conditions near sunset. This is what today's news reports are saying. Jeff -- 42 |
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On 11/10/2010 7:59 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
When I lived in LA metro I remember seeing the impressive high altitude clouds backlit by the setting sun. They shown well after dark because they were so high in the stratosphere. I remember such clouds from sunset launches from both Vandenburg AFB and PTMC Pt Mugu NAS. If no such clouds were visible about an hour later it was a jet contrail with a really cool looking angle of perspective. There's a really good set of photos of luminous clouds created by a Minuteman launch at sunset he http://www.freqofnature.com/photos/mmiii/ Pat |
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A recent secret launch of a rocket off the coast of California?
On Nov 10, 9:19*am, LSMFT wrote:
| wrote: It was caught on tape and the government says it wasn't something a foreign power did. Star wars still or just a test of submarine based missiles to see if they work? I've seen it before in Maine. Just an optical illusion of a jet trail. The jet is actually coming toward you and that is the trail over the horizon. -- LSMFT Simple job, assist the assistant of the physicist. A vast slue of DoD surface and space deployed radars can clearly detect such vapor/exhaust and IR trails, and yet they still can't manage to connect that one to any known aircraft. So, perhaps it was a Chinese or Russian stealth spy plane or whatever. Either way, our best guys and all the trillions we've invested into supposedly the best radar and IR imaging detection technology on Earth, missed it entirely. Way to go DHS and DoD. No wonder they couldn't find any Muslim WMD, much less OBL ~ BG |
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Brad Guth wrote:
On Nov 10, 9:19 am, wrote: | wrote: It was caught on tape and the government says it wasn't something a foreign power did. Star wars still or just a test of submarine based missiles to see if they work? I've seen it before in Maine. Just an optical illusion of a jet trail. The jet is actually coming toward you and that is the trail over the horizon. -- LSMFT Simple job, assist the assistant of the physicist. A vast slue of DoD surface and space deployed radars can clearly detect such vapor/exhaust and IR trails, and yet they still can't manage to connect that one to any known aircraft. So, perhaps it was a Chinese or Russian stealth spy plane or whatever. Either way, our best guys and all the trillions we've invested into supposedly the best radar and IR imaging detection technology on Earth, missed it entirely. Way to go DHS and DoD. No wonder they couldn't find any Muslim WMD, much less OBL ~ BG They didn't see the other thousand jet trails either. They have to be looking. -- LSMFT Simple job, assist the assistant of the physicist. |
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A recent secret launch of a rocket off the coast of California?
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 22:58:03 -0800 (PST), snidely
wrote: Not only that, but ascending smoke trails from rockets get all raggedy-looking as the rocket gains altitude, through winds of varying speeds and directions. sometimes yes, sometimes no: http://www.spacearchive.info/temp-delta-ii-cosmo-4.jpg Uh, that's a time-lapse photo showing the flame of the rocket crossing the sky over a few minutes, not the resulting rocket smoke trail. Brian |
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