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All Univeses are Rotating Faster and Faster
On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:02:55 -0400, HVAC wrote:
On 10/22/2012 5:52 PM, 7 wrote: HVAC wrote: On 10/22/2012 9:38 AM, G=EMC^2 wrote: This is the heart of "Convex Space Theory" Fits well with my "Spin is in Theory" Gave me a my "Electron Structure" Shows in my 5 best theories how all stuff is "interconnected" My next big step is to unite all 5 into a simple GUT yes a GUT ,and so far only gravity stands in my way,but I'm getting warm. TreBert Since there is no external reference point. How can you tell that the universe is rotating? You would measure an inexplicable centripetal acceleration. Acceleration around what? The center of the universe? One way to tell if there is an accelerated spin would be if we were able to measure lateral velocities in addition to the radial velocities that we get with redshifts. If we were to find that all of the combined radial and lateral velocities yielded total velocity vectors that were headed in about the same directions for that area of space, a Universal spin might then be noted and confirmed. Of course, at present all we have are the radial velocities as given to us by the "z", the redshifts, and there is thus far no way to measure any of the lateral velocities that would yield the actual and true directions of all those galaxies. And even if there were a way to measure the lateral velocities, we would still run into the same problem that the light from those galaxies would have taken millions and billions of years to reach our scopes, and could only yield what directions those galaxies were going millions and billions of years ago. -- Indelibly yours, Paine @ http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/ "Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain." |
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On 10/24/2012 1:03 AM, Painius wrote:
Acceleration around what? The center of the universe? One way to tell if there is an accelerated spin would be if we were able to measure lateral velocities in addition to the radial velocities that we get with redshifts. If we were to find that all of the combined radial and lateral velocities yielded total velocity vectors that were headed in about the same directions for that area of space, a Universal spin might then be noted and confirmed. Of course, at present all we have are the radial velocities as given to us by the "z", the redshifts, and there is thus far no way to measure any of the lateral velocities that would yield the actual and true directions of all those galaxies. And even if there were a way to measure the lateral velocities, we would still run into the same problem that the light from those galaxies would have taken millions and billions of years to reach our scopes, and could only yield what directions those galaxies were going millions and billions of years ago. So you're saying that Bert is wrong? -- "OK you ****s, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo .. 变亮 http://www.richardgingras.com/tia/im...logo_large.jpg |
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On Oct 24, 1:03*am, Painius wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:02:55 -0400, HVAC wrote: On 10/22/2012 5:52 PM, 7 wrote: HVAC wrote: On 10/22/2012 9:38 AM, G=EMC^2 wrote: This is the heart of "Convex Space Theory" *Fits well with my "Spin is in Theory" Gave me a my "Electron Structure" *Shows in my 5 best theories how all stuff is "interconnected" *My next big step is to unite all 5 into a simple GUT *yes a GUT ,and so far only gravity stands in my way,but I'm getting warm. * TreBert Since there is no external reference point. How can you tell that the universe is rotating? You would measure an inexplicable centripetal acceleration. Acceleration around what? *The center of the universe? One way to tell if there is an accelerated spin would be if we were able to measure lateral velocities in addition to the radial velocities that we get with redshifts. *If we were to find that all of the combined radial and lateral velocities yielded total velocity vectors that were headed in about the same directions for that area of space, a Universal spin might then be noted and confirmed. Of course, at present all we have are the radial velocities as given to us by the "z", the redshifts, and there is thus far no way to measure any of the lateral velocities that would yield the actual and true directions of all those galaxies. And even if there were a way to measure the lateral velocities, we would still run into the same problem that the light from those galaxies would have taken millions and billions of years to reach our scopes, and could only yield what directions those galaxies were going millions and billions of years ago. -- Indelibly yours, Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/ "Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain." Painius If we could find the spot we are in the universe it would make a nice reference point. Its amazing that we know the Sun rotates around the Milky Way once in 225 million years. I think its rotation speed is going faster,and that the Milky Way is getting bigger. I have my own thoughts on acceleration I post them. My theories are not carved in stone. I throw them out like I throw bread out to the ducks. I get back a lot of soggy bread. Some like my thinking some don't. Its all part of mother natures balancing act. TreBert |
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On 10/24/2012 5:32 PM, G=EMC^2 wrote:
Painius If we could find the spot we are in the universe it would make a nice reference point. Are you ****ing serious? I blame this on Painus for filling your head with his foolishness. Its amazing that we know the Sun rotates around the Milky Way once in 225 million years. I think its rotation speed is going faster,and that the Milky Way is getting bigger. Anything goes, huh? No rules of science need apply? my own thoughts on acceleration I post them. My theories are not carved in stone. I throw them out like I throw bread out to the ducks. Someone should throw YOU out. -- "OK you ****s, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo .. 变亮 http://www.richardgingras.com/tia/im...logo_large.jpg |
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On Oct 24, 2:32*pm, "G=EMC^2" wrote:
On Oct 24, 1:03*am, Painius wrote: On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:02:55 -0400, HVAC wrote: On 10/22/2012 5:52 PM, 7 wrote: HVAC wrote: On 10/22/2012 9:38 AM, G=EMC^2 wrote: This is the heart of "Convex Space Theory" *Fits well with my "Spin is in Theory" Gave me a my "Electron Structure" *Shows in my 5 best theories how all stuff is "interconnected" *My next big step is to unite all 5 into a simple GUT *yes a GUT ,and so far only gravity stands in my way,but I'm getting warm. * TreBert Since there is no external reference point. How can you tell that the universe is rotating? You would measure an inexplicable centripetal acceleration. Acceleration around what? *The center of the universe? One way to tell if there is an accelerated spin would be if we were able to measure lateral velocities in addition to the radial velocities that we get with redshifts. *If we were to find that all of the combined radial and lateral velocities yielded total velocity vectors that were headed in about the same directions for that area of space, a Universal spin might then be noted and confirmed. Of course, at present all we have are the radial velocities as given to us by the "z", the redshifts, and there is thus far no way to measure any of the lateral velocities that would yield the actual and true directions of all those galaxies. And even if there were a way to measure the lateral velocities, we would still run into the same problem that the light from those galaxies would have taken millions and billions of years to reach our scopes, and could only yield what directions those galaxies were going millions and billions of years ago. -- Indelibly yours, Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/ "Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain." Painius *If we could find the spot we are in the universe it would make a nice reference point. Its amazing that we know the Sun rotates around the Milky Way once in 225 million years. *I think its rotation speed is going faster,and that the Milky Way is getting bigger. I have my own thoughts on acceleration I post them. My theories are not carved in stone. I throw them out like I throw bread out to the ducks. * I get back a lot of soggy bread. Some like my thinking some don't. Its all part of mother natures balancing act. * TreBert The gravity of our galaxy is also bringing in and holding onto new stuff, not to mention our galaxy getting run down by Andromeda. Helium is diamagnetic, and galaxies tend to generate a great deal of helium. Molecular diamagnetics is a force of pushing itself away from a magnetic force. The early universe had hardly any helium to spare. http://groups.google.com/groups/search http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/Guth Venus |
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On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 07:25:43 -0400, HVAC wrote:
On 10/24/2012 1:03 AM, Painius wrote: Acceleration around what? The center of the universe? One way to tell if there is an accelerated spin would be if we were able to measure lateral velocities in addition to the radial velocities that we get with redshifts. If we were to find that all of the combined radial and lateral velocities yielded total velocity vectors that were headed in about the same directions for that area of space, a Universal spin might then be noted and confirmed. Of course, at present all we have are the radial velocities as given to us by the "z", the redshifts, and there is thus far no way to measure any of the lateral velocities that would yield the actual and true directions of all those galaxies. And even if there were a way to measure the lateral velocities, we would still run into the same problem that the light from those galaxies would have taken millions and billions of years to reach our scopes, and could only yield what directions those galaxies were going millions and billions of years ago. So you're saying that Bert is wrong? Neither you nor I have any objective evidence that Bert is right or wrong. So all I'm saying is that our technology is not advanced enough, yet, to be able to provide objective evidence. -- Indelibly yours, Paine @ http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/ "God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh." |
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On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:32:54 -0700 (PDT), "G=EMC^2"
wrote: On Oct 24, 1:03*am, Painius wrote: On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:02:55 -0400, HVAC wrote: On 10/22/2012 5:52 PM, 7 wrote: HVAC wrote: On 10/22/2012 9:38 AM, G=EMC^2 wrote: This is the heart of "Convex Space Theory" *Fits well with my "Spin is in Theory" Gave me a my "Electron Structure" *Shows in my 5 best theories how all stuff is "interconnected" *My next big step is to unite all 5 into a simple GUT *yes a GUT ,and so far only gravity stands in my way,but I'm getting warm. * TreBert Since there is no external reference point. How can you tell that the universe is rotating? You would measure an inexplicable centripetal acceleration. Acceleration around what? *The center of the universe? One way to tell if there is an accelerated spin would be if we were able to measure lateral velocities in addition to the radial velocities that we get with redshifts. *If we were to find that all of the combined radial and lateral velocities yielded total velocity vectors that were headed in about the same directions for that area of space, a Universal spin might then be noted and confirmed. Of course, at present all we have are the radial velocities as given to us by the "z", the redshifts, and there is thus far no way to measure any of the lateral velocities that would yield the actual and true directions of all those galaxies. And even if there were a way to measure the lateral velocities, we would still run into the same problem that the light from those galaxies would have taken millions and billions of years to reach our scopes, and could only yield what directions those galaxies were going millions and billions of years ago. Painius If we could find the spot we are in the universe it would make a nice reference point. Its amazing that we know the Sun rotates around the Milky Way once in 225 million years. I think its rotation speed is going faster,and that the Milky Way is getting bigger. I have my own thoughts on acceleration I post them. My theories are not carved in stone. I throw them out like I throw bread out to the ducks. I get back a lot of soggy bread. Some like my thinking some don't. Its all part of mother natures balancing act. TreBert Funny - when I throw out bread to the ducks, I just get back a lot of soggy duck droppings! G -- Indelibly yours, Paine @ http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/ "God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh." |
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On 10/30/2012 1:47 AM, Painius wrote:
So you're saying that Bert is wrong? Neither you nor I have any objective evidence that Bert is right or wrong. So all I'm saying is that our technology is not advanced enough, yet, to be able to provide objective evidence. And how far must we be able to see before we believe our eyes? -- "OK you ****s, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo .. 变亮 http://www.richardgingras.com/tia/im...logo_large.jpg |
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On Oct 23, 10:03*pm, Painius wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:02:55 -0400, HVAC wrote: On 10/22/2012 5:52 PM, 7 wrote: HVAC wrote: On 10/22/2012 9:38 AM, G=EMC^2 wrote: This is the heart of "Convex Space Theory" *Fits well with my "Spin is in Theory" Gave me a my "Electron Structure" *Shows in my 5 best theories how all stuff is "interconnected" *My next big step is to unite all 5 into a simple GUT *yes a GUT ,and so far only gravity stands in my way,but I'm getting warm. * TreBert Since there is no external reference point. How can you tell that the universe is rotating? You would measure an inexplicable centripetal acceleration. Acceleration around what? *The center of the universe? One way to tell if there is an accelerated spin would be if we were able to measure lateral velocities in addition to the radial velocities that we get with redshifts. *If we were to find that all of the combined radial and lateral velocities yielded total velocity vectors that were headed in about the same directions for that area of space, a Universal spin might then be noted and confirmed. Of course, at present all we have are the radial velocities as given to us by the "z", the redshifts, and there is thus far no way to measure any of the lateral velocities that would yield the actual and true directions of all those galaxies. And even if there were a way to measure the lateral velocities, we would still run into the same problem that the light from those galaxies would have taken millions and billions of years to reach our scopes, and could only yield what directions those galaxies were going millions and billions of years ago. -- Indelibly yours, Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/ "Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain." It's highly unlikely that the mass of any given galaxy would ever divert unless merging with an equally large and massive galaxy. Even with Andromeda running into our galaxy at perhaps 350 km/sec by the time such an event happens (starting as of 2.5e9 years from now), will likely only cause a minor deviation in the path or trajectory that our galaxy is headed into the Great Attractor(GA). In order to adequately detect even a ten degree trajectory variation as caused by galactic encounters, as observed from any billion plus lights years distance, would likely require a good thousand years worth of precise measurements. Supercomputer simulations could of course make this doable within hours, or much faster if it were only a simple two body interaction with no direct lithobraking aspects or GR/ SR considerations. http://groups.google.com/groups/search http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/Guth Venus |
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 06:38:32 -0400, HVAC wrote:
On 10/30/2012 1:47 AM, Painius wrote: So you're saying that Bert is wrong? Neither you nor I have any objective evidence that Bert is right or wrong. So all I'm saying is that our technology is not advanced enough, yet, to be able to provide objective evidence. And how far must we be able to see before we believe our eyes? Good question. Perhaps 14 bly? But when that happens, and I "believe" it will happen soon, the mainstream will just find a way to "fit" that evidence to the prevailing creation myth called the "Big Bang". -- Indelibly yours, Paine @ http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/ "God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh." |
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