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"William Mook" wrote in message ... On Feb 23, 8:34 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" wrote: You mean you guys actually ...pay...for laptop Internet service? I already pay for Internet service on my google phone, so I simply use that as a router/tether. Free /unlimited/ down/up loads either wireless or through usb. I use a netbook btw, not a clunky, hot heavy and battery-hungry laptop. It's only a matter of time before phones and laptops become one in the same. When that finally happens, we can have the temerity to consider this the computer-age. We're not there yet imho. s |
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"William Mook" wrote in message ... On Feb 23, 8:34 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" wrote: You mean you guys actually ...pay...for laptop Internet service? I already pay for Internet service on my google phone, so I simply use that as a router/tether. Free /unlimited/ down/up loads either wireless or through usb. I use a netbook btw, not a clunky, hot heavy and battery-hungry laptop. Really, what provider do you have? I'm genuinely curious since most that advertise "unlimited" actually in the small print limit you to typically 5GB a month. It's only a matter of time before phones and laptops become one in the same. When that finally happens, we can have the temerity to consider this the computer-age. We're not there yet imho. Eh, I like to keep them separate. A phone is too small for an effective laptop and a laptop is too large to be an effective phone. s -- Greg Moore Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC. |
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On Feb 24, 7:49*pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
wrote: Jonathan wrote: "William Mook" wrote in message .... On Feb 23, 8:34 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" wrote: You mean you guys actually ...pay...for laptop Internet service? I already pay for Internet service on my google phone, so I simply use that as a router/tether. *Free /unlimited/ down/up loads either wireless or through usb. I use a netbook btw, not a clunky, hot heavy and battery-hungry laptop. Really, what provider do you have? I'm genuinely curious since most that advertise "unlimited" actually in the small print limit you to typically 5GB a month. Yes, unlimited in my case is 2.5 Q-bit per month for the $12 per month fee, and 0.5 Q-bit per month for the $1 per month fee and 0.1 Q-bit per month for the $1 per year fee. 0.1 Q-bit per month is about 1,250x larger than your 100 Gbyte rate. It's only a matter of time before phones and laptops become one in the same. When that finally happens, we can have the temerity to consider this the computer-age. We're not there yet imho. Eh, I like to keep them separate. *A phone is too small for an effective laptop and a laptop is too large to be an effective phone. This is a platform issue. Change the platform, and what is effective and what is not changes. In 1988 Hans Moravec spoke of 'magic gloves' and 'magic glasses' that provide interactive capabilities with computer systems. Today's screen based GUIs will be displaced with 3DEUIs (three dimensional environment user interfaces) - where touchpads are replaced with magic gloves, screens are replaced with magic glasses, keyboards replaced with speech recognition. Today's Google Earth & Sketchup will be replaced with seamless realtime interactive Virtual Overlay Experience (VOX). So, a laptop is replaced by a pair of glasses and gloves. A cell phone is replaced by a headphone and microphone set. (a collection of microphones in a collar and in the gloves and glasses operate together for noise and echo cancellation using advanced software - as well as active noise suppression in the earpieces) The headphone/glasses/gloves combination is equipped with solid state optical gyros and accelerometers as well as GPS so that precise orientation and positioning of the head and hands is known by the system at all times. Basically, just as many wear a blue-tooth earpiece today, folks in the near future will wear a set of eyeglasses that project UHDTV-3D images into each eye, while allowing visibility of the surrounding environment through the glasses. So, virtual images will float in space around the user at convenient locations. Gloves allow the user to reach out and manipulate items in the 3D environment without obstructing the real world around them. Voice interaction replaces keyboard interaction, while gesture reading is raised to new levels. This wearable product will not be recognizable as a laptop or handset as we now know them. Outward looking cameras along with inward looking cameras - and mapping software allow people to virtual conference - by mobilizing face models of users in remote locations in real time. So, a camera located in the magic glasses pick up eye orientation, eyelid opening, even mouth movement - and despite the odd angles of the camera, the computer maps that in real time to a facial model in real time, and animates that model in real time for distribution to others in their virtual overlay experience. So, folks can appear before another and talk with them naturally, then disappear after the conversation. This can happen even while you're driving our car. A person can appear in the empty passenger seat next to you, and you have to turn your head to hear them and see them - while you can turn your head back to the road to tend to driving for example. The point of all this is the handset/laptop paradigm is a function of our limited ideas about what constitutes a platform - such platform paradigms themselves are due for fundamental shifts in approach - along the lines I've described. s -- Greg Moore Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC. |
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"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" wrote in message ... Jonathan wrote: "William Mook" wrote in message ... On Feb 23, 8:34 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" wrote: You mean you guys actually ...pay...for laptop Internet service? I already pay for Internet service on my google phone, so I simply use that as a router/tether. Free /unlimited/ down/up loads either wireless or through usb. I use a netbook btw, not a clunky, hot heavy and battery-hungry laptop. Really, what provider do you have? I'm genuinely curious since most that advertise "unlimited" actually in the small print limit you to typically 5GB a month. T-Mobile. I signed up after they put out the original sidekick. The plan says unlimited megabits then and still does for the phone. But when I looked into the cost of adding a laptop, it was like $60 a month and had a 5gb limit. So by linking through the phone I can bypass that limit, and the cost, with the netbook. A netbook is the way to go imo. The only real loss is not having a dvd drive. Bought an asus and I works great. Batteries last twice as long, it's weighs nothing, costs nothing and runs XP or 7 like a home pc. ............................................... Data: 268 / Unlimited Megabytes Service Used Included Remaining Time Period Data 268 Unlimited Unlimited Whenever .................................................. ... It's only a matter of time before phones and laptops become one in the same. When that finally happens, we can have the temerity to consider this the computer-age. We're not there yet imho. Eh, I like to keep them separate. A phone is too small for an effective laptop and a laptop is too large to be an effective phone. Right, but it's really only needing a breakthrough in displays to make it happen. As in a display that can fit in a phone, but expand to a laptop. I hear they're on the way. Some kind of thin sheet that can be rolled up. s -- Greg Moore Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC. |
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"William Mook" wrote in message ... Today's Google Earth & Sketchup will be replaced with seamless realtime interactive Virtual Overlay Experience (VOX). So, a laptop is replaced by a pair of glasses and gloves. A cell phone is replaced by a headphone and microphone set. Now we're talking! Even virtual telepathy someday. Think a name, and ...say 'hello'! Or should I say 'think hello'? The bulk of humanity, connected to each other in real time. Imagine the possibilities of that kind of massive parallel connectivity. Where a good rumor, story or idea, causes humanity to 'tremble' as one. A brain, not made up of countless neurons, but countless intelligent minds. Where even the weakest cries in the night can summon the combined weight of humanity for aid and comfort. Producing a collective wisdom every bit the definition of God which, when needed, 'speaks' to each and everyone alike. And the millennia old schism between science and religion at last comes to an end. So science, heaven, humanity, and religion coevolves into one-in-the-same. "Heaven is so far of the Mind That were the Mind dissolved The Site of it by Architect Could not again be proved 'Tis vast as our Capacity As fair as our idea To Him of adequate desire No further 'tis, than Here " Mathematics can prove only one thing when it comes to the real world. That humanity is destined to swim in unspeakable joy! "To tell the beauty would decrease, To state the Spell demean, There is a syllableless sea Of which it is the sign." s |
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On Feb 25, 10:27*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
"William Mook" wrote in message ... Today's Google Earth & Sketchup will be replaced with seamless realtime interactive Virtual Overlay Experience (VOX). * So, a laptop is replaced by a pair of glasses and gloves. *A cell phone is replaced by a headphone and microphone set. Now we're talking! *Even virtual telepathy someday. Think a name, and ...say 'hello'! Or should I say 'think hello'? The bulk of humanity, connected to each other in real time. Imagine the possibilities of that kind of massive parallel connectivity. Where a good rumor, story or idea, causes humanity to 'tremble' as one. A brain, not made up of countless neurons, but countless intelligent minds. Where even the weakest cries in the night can summon the combined weight of humanity for aid and comfort. Producing a collective wisdom every bit the definition of God which, when needed, 'speaks' to each and everyone alike. And the millennia old schism between science and religion at last comes to an end. So science, heaven, humanity, and religion coevolves into one-in-the-same. * * *"Heaven is so far of the Mind * * *That were the Mind dissolved * * * The Site of it by Architect * * * Could not again be proved * * *'Tis vast as our Capacity * * *As fair as our idea * * *To Him of adequate desire * * * No further 'tis, than Here " Mathematics can prove only one thing when it comes to the real world. That humanity is destined to swim in unspeakable joy! * * "To tell the beauty would decrease, * * * To state the Spell demean, * * * There is a syllableless sea * * * Of which it is the sign." s Well, that's an interface beyond the one I've imagined, but I do believe it will come. Arthur Clarke wrote of what you describe in 2061. Back in 1968 Clarke also wrote Lion of Comarre - wherein he describes a city where all the inhabitants live in a virtual reality (though Vernor Vinge in Bookworm Run in 1966. William Gibson and others added flesh to it, and serious research didn't start until the mid-80s. Though I have been thinking about it since the 60s. In addition to the peta-bit data link backbone I've described above, there is a way of mobilizing resource as you say - in response to human will. One of the issues is that our beliefs about government and markets do not comport with reality. This explains the failures of society to resolve long-standing issues and suggests that fresh thinking can resolve them very simply. Ths flies in the face of popular notions about people being the fault of their conditions, along with cuationary tales of misfortune and hopeful tales of people overcoming adversity. Very much the same emotions swirled around the Royal Rights of Kings back in the day when everyone knew for sure that God wouldn't suffer an evil tyrant. The same stories of failure, retribution and success were used to defend those notions. The emotive stories and how people are controlled by them are recounted by Alice Miller, in her book DRAMA OF THE GIFTED CHILD. This explains our fascination with violence, power, wealth and limitless growth of appetite. These are not natural impulses, but only seem natural to a society where all members suffer the same mental illness. The specific failures of our economy and government processes are recounted by Ken Arrow received a Nobel Prize in 1971 by showing that money and votes don't work. This is detailed in SOCIAL CHOICE AND HUMAN VALUES. I have modified the work of Gerard Medioni in controlling robotic resources with tensor measures to resolve the issues related by Arrow. Implemented in a distributed array of digital agents, this is the first operating layer of the grand strategy you recount here - where the entire weight of human conciousness comes to bear upon the needs and desires of each of us who are part of the human community. I have summarized some of these thoughts here; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=istE1bpoDPg |
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On Feb 26, 2:40*pm, William Mook wrote:
On Feb 25, 10:27*pm, "Jonathan" wrote: "William Mook" wrote in message .... Today's Google Earth & Sketchup will be replaced with seamless realtime interactive Virtual Overlay Experience (VOX). * So, a laptop is replaced by a pair of glasses and gloves. *A cell phone is replaced by a headphone and microphone set. Now we're talking! *Even virtual telepathy someday. Think a name, and ...say 'hello'! Or should I say 'think hello'? The bulk of humanity, connected to each other in real time. Imagine the possibilities of that kind of massive parallel connectivity. Where a good rumor, story or idea, causes humanity to 'tremble' as one. A brain, not made up of countless neurons, but countless intelligent minds. Where even the weakest cries in the night can summon the combined weight of humanity for aid and comfort. Producing a collective wisdom every bit the definition of God which, when needed, 'speaks' to each and everyone alike. And the millennia old schism between science and religion at last comes to an end. So science, heaven, humanity, and religion coevolves into one-in-the-same. * * *"Heaven is so far of the Mind * * *That were the Mind dissolved * * * The Site of it by Architect * * * Could not again be proved * * *'Tis vast as our Capacity * * *As fair as our idea * * *To Him of adequate desire * * * No further 'tis, than Here " Mathematics can prove only one thing when it comes to the real world. That humanity is destined to swim in unspeakable joy! * * "To tell the beauty would decrease, * * * To state the Spell demean, * * * There is a syllableless sea * * * Of which it is the sign." s Well, that's an interface beyond the one I've imagined, but I do believe it will come. *Arthur Clarke wrote of what you describe in 2061. *Back in 1968 Clarke also wrote Lion of Comarre - wherein he describes a city where all the inhabitants live in a virtual reality (though Vernor Vinge in Bookworm Run in 1966. *William Gibson and others added flesh to it, and serious research didn't start until the mid-80s. Though I have been thinking about it since the 60s. In addition to the peta-bit data link backbone I've described above, there is a way of mobilizing resource as you say - in response to human will. One of the issues is that our beliefs about government and markets do not comport with reality. *This explains the failures of society to resolve long-standing issues and suggests that fresh thinking can resolve them very simply. Ths flies in the face of popular notions about people being the fault of their conditions, along with cuationary tales of misfortune and hopeful tales of people overcoming adversity. *Very much the same emotions swirled around the Royal Rights of Kings back in the day when everyone knew for sure that God wouldn't suffer an evil tyrant. *The same stories of failure, retribution and success were used to defend those notions. The emotive stories and how people are controlled by them are recounted by Alice Miller, in her book DRAMA OF THE GIFTED CHILD. This explains our fascination with violence, power, wealth and limitless growth of appetite. *These are not natural impulses, but only seem natural to a society where all members suffer the same mental illness. The specific failures of our economy and government processes are recounted by Ken Arrow received a Nobel Prize in 1971 by showing that money and votes don't work. *This is detailed in SOCIAL CHOICE AND HUMAN VALUES. I have modified the work of Gerard Medioni in controlling robotic resources with tensor measures to resolve the issues related by Arrow. *Implemented in a distributed array of digital agents, this is the first operating layer of the grand strategy you recount here - where the entire weight of human conciousness comes to bear upon the needs and desires of each of us who are part of the human community. I have summarized some of these thoughts here; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=istE1bpoDPg In short, we have; (1) telecom backbone (2) tensor decision making (3) telepresence/telerobotics (4) semi-autonomou operation (5) fully autonomous operation (6) self-replicating machines I have described here the first two layers - folks like Honda and others are working on elements of the third layer. AI researchers along with growth toward the singulariy are working on the balance. In the end we will have the sort of world Jonathan envisions and it will be wonderful. |
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On Feb 25, 7:32*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" wrote in ... Jonathan wrote: "William Mook" wrote in message .... On Feb 23, 8:34 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" wrote: You mean you guys actually ...pay...for laptop Internet service? I already pay for Internet service on my google phone, so I simply use that as a router/tether. *Free /unlimited/ down/up loads either wireless or through usb. I use a netbook btw, not a clunky, hot heavy and battery-hungry laptop. Really, what provider do you have? I'm genuinely curious since most that advertise "unlimited" actually in the small print limit you to typically 5GB a month. T-Mobile. I signed up after they put out the original sidekick. The plan says unlimited megabits then and still does for the phone. But when I looked into the cost of adding a laptop, it was like $60 a month and had a 5gb limit. So by linking through the phone I can bypass that limit, and the cost, with the netbook. A netbook is the way to go imo. The only real loss is not having a dvd drive. Bought an asus and I works great. Batteries last twice as long, it's weighs nothing, costs nothing and runs XP or 7 like a home pc. .............................................. Data: 268 / Unlimited Megabytes Service * *Used * * *Included * * *Remaining * * Time Period *Data * * * *268 * * * Unlimited * * *Unlimited * * Whenever .................................................. .. It's only a matter of time before phones and laptops become one in the same. When that finally happens, we can have the temerity to consider this the computer-age. We're not there yet imho. Eh, I like to keep them separate. *A phone is too small for an effective laptop and a laptop is too large to be an effective phone. Right, but it's really only needing a breakthrough in displays to make it happen. As in a display that can fit in a phone, but expand to a laptop. I hear they're on the way. Some kind of thin sheet that can be rolled up. s -- Greg Moore Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC. Or a transparent display that you wear like sunglasses - which projects a virtual 3D display above an icon in 3-space. That's the easiest. So, likely the first. You have a virtual screen floating above processor - placed and oriented in your visual field of view to correspond to the location and orientation of the processor. Ditto with a virtual keyboard. A small camera set watches the motion of your fingers tapping on a table top relative to the location of virtual keys. This is also very secure since others cannot see what you're looking at - unless you ask them to share with their 3D sunglasses. |
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On Feb 26, 3:28*pm, William Mook wrote:
On Feb 25, 7:32*pm, "Jonathan" wrote: "Greg D. Moore (Strider)" wrote in ... Jonathan wrote: "William Mook" wrote in message ... On Feb 23, 8:34 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" wrote: You mean you guys actually ...pay...for laptop Internet service? I already pay for Internet service on my google phone, so I simply use that as a router/tether. *Free /unlimited/ down/up loads either wireless or through usb. I use a netbook btw, not a clunky, hot heavy and battery-hungry laptop. Really, what provider do you have? I'm genuinely curious since most that advertise "unlimited" actually in the small print limit you to typically 5GB a month. T-Mobile. I signed up after they put out the original sidekick. The plan says unlimited megabits then and still does for the phone. But when I looked into the cost of adding a laptop, it was like $60 a month and had a 5gb limit. |
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On Feb 26, 3:33*pm, William Mook wrote:
On Feb 26, 3:28*pm, William Mook wrote: On Feb 25, 7:32*pm, "Jonathan" wrote: "Greg D. Moore (Strider)" wrote in ... Jonathan wrote: "William Mook" wrote in message ... On Feb 23, 8:34 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" wrote: You mean you guys actually ...pay...for laptop Internet service? I already pay for Internet service on my google phone, so I simply use that as a router/tether. *Free /unlimited/ down/up loads either wireless or through usb. I use a netbook btw, not a clunky, hot heavy and battery-hungry laptop. Really, what provider do you have? I'm genuinely curious since most that advertise "unlimited" actually in the small print limit you to typically 5GB a month. T-Mobile. I signed up after they put out the original sidekick. The plan says unlimited megabits then and still does for the phone. But when I looked into the cost of adding a laptop, it was like $60 a month and had a 5gb limit. So by linking through the phone I can bypass that limit, and the cost, with the netbook. A netbook is the way to go imo. The only real loss is not having a dvd drive. Bought an asus and I works great. Batteries last twice as long, it's weighs nothing, costs nothing and runs XP or 7 like a home pc. .............................................. Data: 268 / Unlimited Megabytes Service * *Used * * *Included * * *Remaining * * Time Period *Data * * * *268 * * * Unlimited * * *Unlimited * * Whenever .................................................. .. It's only a matter of time before phones and laptops become one in the same. When that finally happens, we can have the temerity to consider this the computer-age. We're not there yet imho. Eh, I like to keep them separate. *A phone is too small for an effective laptop and a laptop is too large to be an effective phone. Right, but it's really only needing a breakthrough in displays to make it happen. As in a display that can fit in a phone, but expand to a laptop. I hear they're on the way. Some kind of thin sheet that can be rolled up. s -- Greg Moore Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC. Or a transparent display that you wear like sunglasses - which projects a virtual 3D display above an icon in 3-space. *That's the easiest. *So, likely the first. You have a virtual screen floating above processor - placed and oriented in your visual field of view to correspond to the location and orientation of the processor. *Ditto with a virtual keyboard. *A small camera set watches the motion of your fingers tapping on a table top relative to the location of virtual keys. This is also very secure since others cannot see what you're looking at - unless you ask them to share with their 3D sunglasses. This sort of thing tied in with 3D goggles - that you can wear and still see things in your environment - to create virtual keyboard and virtual display and virtual mouse or trackpad - tied to the orientation and location of a handset. * Or placed there and 'released' so you can use the handset AS a handset. http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/keyboards-mice/8193/ http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/accessories/98d3/ Something like this with a solid state MEMS gyro and software to allow you to place the 24 inch screen (and keyboard) in space - while simultaneously allowing you to see through the screen - around the virtual projection while not seeing through the virtual projection. A transparent display isn't a problem. Making selected regions opaque on demand is more of a challenge. The optics of virtual imagery overlaying real scene is a slightly more of a challenge. This is the subject of current patent activity so I can't say much more except there are solutions - haha.. The ipod virtual display with the virtual laser keyboard connected to a handset sized computer is very very near. Additional software and hardware features to implement the details I mentioned - is very near. |
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