Equinox March 2014

Anyone care to adopt the second surface rotation our planet has to the central Sun in order to explain why the North/South polar coordinates,as arbitrary points on the Earth's surface in context of the orbital surface rotation, will turn to a point on the circle of illumination in less than two weeks -

http://www.daviddarling.info/images/...gs_changes.jpg

This say this forum is dead, it may be for consumerists enamored by their magnification equipment, but for genuine astronomers it is an uncluttered and clean environment to discuss cause and perspective or cause and effect.

Climate research is based on the planet's two surface rotations to the central Sun so their is a lot of intellectual damage to undo. The biggest step,of course, is admiration for the second surface rotation which explains why we have the seasons and why natural noon cycles vary. It doesn't matter if only a small and elite group of people see it first,it is there in those images and in reality.

"oriel36" wrote in message
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Anyone care to adopt the second surface rotation our planet has to the
central Sun in order to explain why the North/South polar coordinates,as
arbitrary points on the Earth's surface in context of the orbital surface
rotation, will turn to a point on the circle of illumination in less than
two weeks -

http://www.daviddarling.info/images/...gs_changes.jpg

This say this forum is dead, it may be for consumerists enamored by their
magnification equipment, but for genuine astronomers it is an uncluttered
and clean environment to discuss cause and perspective or cause and effect.

Climate research is based on the planet's two surface rotations to the
central Sun so their is a lot of intellectual damage to undo. The biggest
step,of course, is admiration for the second surface rotation which explains
why we have the seasons and why natural noon cycles vary. It doesn't matter
if only a small and elite group of people see it first,it is there in those
images and in reality.
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The Earth surface experiences two types of twilights and dawns owing to the two types of surface rotations to the central Sun with the second surface rotation as a component of its orbital motion being of special interest this time of the year and representing where the planet is along its orbit.

There is no point in the 21st century sticking with an idea of the Earth tilting towards and away from the Sun and all its variants in order to explain the difference in temperatures this side of winter in the Northern hemisphere when the second surface rotation easily explains everything and why the North pole is turning into orbital darkness for 6 months while the North pole is emerging in 6 months of daylight.

With time lapse footage available of the transition from polar day into polar night at this time of the year (3 minutes into the video),the contemporary observer gets to really appreciate the great orbital surface rotation -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TemK6CF6lF0

The consumerist magnification practitioner may not care and run a mile to avoid this great astronomical event but it is pure astronomy and a meaningful addition and sometimes modification of the great astronomical insights.

On Thursday, March 6, 2014 3:58:22 AM UTC-7, oriel36 wrote:
The Earth surface experiences two types of twilights and dawns owing to the two
types of surface rotations to the central Sun with the second surface rotation
as a component of its orbital motion being of special interest this time of the
year and representing where the planet is along its orbit.

Yes, when the Sun becomes visible again at the poles, it's due to the Earth's orbit.

Do you think that the rest of the Earth, between the Arctic and Antarctic circles, is not carried along by the Earth's orbit? If not, then why do you continue to deny that the Earth's orbit changes the length of the day to 24 hours from the period of the Earth's rotation, 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 4 seconds?

John Savard

It is so unusual to see an entire group of people who are unable to appreciate the orbital surface rotation behind the polar day/night cycle,after all, in addition to and aside from the daily day/night cycle and the separate surface rotation there is nothing more fundamental to human experience insofar as when the two surface rotations mesh they create the seasons and the inclusion of the separate orbital component.

You who claim to be astronomers and to promote astronomy among students and the wider community, what is it that is in your nature that cannot set aside the Earth tilting towards and away from the Sun and adopt to second surface rotation as a more productive perspective ?.

In the approach to the March Equinox, the North pole is slowly turning out of the orbital shadow 23 1/2 degrees the fully illuminated face of the Earth while the South pole is turning into the orbital shadow at 23 1/2 degrees North of the fully illuminated side that faces the Sun. Despite the difference in degree of inclination,that is what observers are seeing when to intepret the images of Uranus -

http://www.daviddarling.info/images/...gs_changes.jpg

On Friday, March 7, 2014 4:21:53 AM UTC-8, oriel36 wrote:

It is so unusual to see an entire group of people who are unable to appreciate the orbital surface rotation behind the polar day/night cycle...

It is so unusual to see an individual so completely unable to learn basic astronomical facts and claim that virtually all mainstream physics and astronomy is wrong...

after all, in addition to and aside from the daily day/night cycle and the separate surface rotation there is nothing more fundamental to human experience insofar as when the two surface rotations mesh they create the seasons and the inclusion of the separate orbital component.

I can assure you that the Earth's poles are not turning at all, in the short term. The NCP faithfully points nearly at Polaris constantly...



You who claim to be astronomers and to promote astronomy among students and the wider community, what is it that is in your nature that cannot set aside the Earth tilting towards and away from the Sun and adopt to second surface rotation as a more productive perspective ?.


This would be because the Earth's inclination DOES tilt towards and then away from the Sun over the course, of a year...



In the approach to the March Equinox, the North pole is slowly turning out of the orbital shadow 23 1/2 degrees the fully illuminated face of the Earth while the South pole is turning into the orbital shadow at 23 1/2 degrees North of the fully illuminated side that faces the Sun.

This motion is only apparent motion, just like retrogrades! It doesn't actually exist! The Earth's poles are not turning!

On Friday, March 7, 2014 5:20:49 PM UTC, palsing wrote:
On Friday, March 7, 2014 4:21:53 AM UTC-8, oriel36 wrote:

In the approach to the March Equinox, the North pole is slowly turning out of the orbital shadow 23 1/2 degrees the fully illuminated face of the Earth while the South pole is turning into the orbital shadow at 23 1/2 degrees North of the fully illuminated side that faces the Sun.



This motion is only apparent motion, just like retrogrades! It doesn't actually exist! The Earth's poles are not turning!

The incomparable beauty of the second surface rotation to the central Sun arising from the orbital behavior of a planet and already captured in the time lapse footage of Uranus by Hubble.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFaoq3UMhBM

Nothing apparent about the actual East to West motion of the rings at a rate of roughly 4 degrees per Earth year from 1994 until 1998 and those rings continue to turn making it a law that aside from an in addition to daily rotation,all locations on the surface,including the North/South polar coordinates,turn once to the central Sun each year and circuit.

The North/South poles of the Earth experience a single day/night cycle across an orbital circuit and like the daily day/night cycle experienced at lower latitudes,it requires a surface rotation to account for the transition. The combination of these two surface rotations account for both the seasons and the variations in the natural noon cycle.

For all the scowling ,not one of you can describe the dynamic behind the approach to the Equinox as it involves the addition of another surface rotation while dropping the pseudo-dynamic of a 'tilting' Earth. This is genuine astronomy for genuine astronomers,nothing more and nothing less.

"oriel36" wrote in message
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For all the scowling ,not one of you can describe the dynamic behind the
approach to the Equinox as it involves the addition of another surface
rotation while dropping the pseudo-dynamic of a 'tilting' Earth. This is
genuine astronomy for genuine astronomers,nothing more and nothing less.

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For all your miserable whining, Palsing can describe to me the dynamic
behind the approach to the Equinox as it involves the tilt of the Earth
changing toward the Sun while remaining constant toward Polaris. Only you
are too ****ing stupid to understand it. This is genuine astronomy for
genuine astronomers and not for ****ing idiotic thugs like you, nothing more
and nothing less.

-- Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway

There is only one sunrise each year at the North/South poles as the surface of the planet turns once and unevenly to the central Sun -

http://www.starrynighteducation.com/..._cur/art1c.jpg

Knowing that the Earth's poles are located 23 1/2 degrees above and below the full illuminated face helps the observer appreciate that as the planet moves through space,these coordinates turn in a circle hence the upcoming transition to orbital daylight or orbital darkness at the South pole.

http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/...mericas250.jpg

When students ask what causes the seasons the only proper answer is to make the detour into planetary dynamics and include the separate surface rotation which is now easily understandable using graphics and a few strategic questions with the most important being - 'Does the Earth keep the same face to the Sun as it moves along its orbital circumference ?. The answer is in the time lapse footage -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFaoq3UMhBM

Anyone who wishes to research climate properly has to go through this insight.

On Friday, March 7, 2014 11:27:22 AM UTC-8, oriel36 wrote:

Nothing apparent about the actual East to West motion of the rings at a rate of roughly 4 degrees per Earth year from 1994 until 1998 and those rings continue to turn making it a law that aside from an in addition to daily rotation,all locations on the surface,including the North/South polar coordinates,turn once to the central Sun each year and circuit.

Wrong again, oh Great Thinker; Uranus, too, has a pole star toward which it continuously points, so any 'turning' of those rings to the central Sun are clearly 'apparent' turnings, from our perspective and from the Sun's perspective. There is no new law, the old laws serve us just fine, thanks so much...

Just FYI, Eta Ophiuchi is the north pole star of Uranus and 15 Orionis is its south pole star. Over our lifetimes these do not waiver, and Uranus does NOT turn WRT them.

Also FYI, you will never successfully present alternative theories until you understand the existing theories, be they right or wrong. As always, if you can't explain it, you don't really understand it.

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\Paul A