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Why Earth's mantle is solid
oriel36 wrote:
On Sep 12, 4:40 am, "Spaceman" wrote: oriel36 wrote: On Sep 11, 6:52 pm, "Number Eleven - GPEMC!" wrote: "oriel36" wrote in message ... [SNIP] "There is no frustration,the opposite in fact given that I openly enjoy rotational dynamics and leave nothing to stationary Earth 'convection cells'.With everybody trading in surface correlations and chemical compositions without reference to rotational dynamics nor how the Earth's spherical deviation meshes in with crustal evolution and motion,I have no reason to complain." [SNIP] So how do you acount for what seismic data implies about the earth's interior? Look,right now there is an enormous amount of attention being paid to the LHC and the interpretation of data it will generate,with the usual cobblers about the 'deep mysteries of the universe','new physic,etc, etc. I have images of a planet in motion with demonstrates how a planet orbits the central Sun in a specific way and applying the lessons learned to the Earth will give an entirely new explanation for why we experience seasonal daylight/darkness variations and why the natural noon cycles are unequal - Well, How about this Oriel36, The revolution speed of Earth never actually changes, It is simply the elliptic orbit that creates the difference in light/dark and longer/shorter days with reference to the sun. Do not waste my time !,if you want to listen then listen,if not then stay away from this important matter.Unless you haven't noticed,there is a clear distinction between human influence on climate and natural variations and presently individuals are required to appreciate what goes into the annual cyclical variations at the barest level - variations in daylight/darkness and then consider climate as a whole.Spare me the stupid emoticons for I assure you it takes quite an effort to split daily rotational and orbital motions and work on the specifics of both,I do it without acknowledgement in any shape or form. Too many are interested in mocking each other using the terrestrial and celestial arena as a backdrop so stop it and stop it now. You want to explain it then explain it in detail Well, Sorry if it was too simple of a statement. I do know this is important to you so please accept my appology for being too simple. But what I was thinking makes sense geometrically to me. If an object is revolving at a constant revolution and making 360 degree rotations at such a constant speed, but traveling in an elliptical orbit, the light shining per day will change per it's orbital position with relation to the sun and there will be one longest day and one shortest day for one trip around the sun. (year). I hope you would like to enlighten me to what else you are considering since I guess this is not the only factor involved. But i do think it is a partial factor at least and should not be ignored nor a waste of time as part of the explanation at least. |
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On Sep 12, 6:46*am, "Spaceman"
wrote: oriel36 wrote: On Sep 12, 4:40 am, "Spaceman" wrote: oriel36 wrote: On Sep 11, 6:52 pm, "Number Eleven - GPEMC!" wrote: "oriel36" wrote in message ... [SNIP] "There is no frustration,the opposite in fact given that I openly enjoy rotational dynamics and leave nothing to stationary Earth 'convection cells'.With everybody trading in surface correlations and chemical compositions without reference to rotational dynamics nor how the Earth's spherical deviation meshes in with crustal evolution and motion,I have no reason to complain." [SNIP] So how do you acount for what seismic data implies about the earth's interior? Look,right now there is an enormous amount of attention being paid to the LHC and the interpretation of data it will generate,with the usual cobblers about the 'deep mysteries of the universe','new physic,etc, etc. I have images of a planet in motion with demonstrates how a planet orbits the central Sun in a specific way and applying the lessons learned to the Earth will give an entirely new explanation for why we experience seasonal daylight/darkness variations and why the natural noon cycles are unequal - Well, How about this Oriel36, The revolution speed of Earth never actually changes, It is simply the elliptic orbit that creates the difference in light/dark and longer/shorter days with reference to the sun. Do not waste my time !,if you want to listen then listen,if not then stay away from this important matter.Unless you haven't noticed,there is a clear distinction between human influence on climate and natural variations and presently *individuals are required to appreciate what goes into the annual cyclical variations at the barest level - variations in daylight/darkness and then consider climate as a whole.Spare me the stupid emoticons for I assure you it takes quite an effort *to split *daily rotational and orbital motions and work on the specifics of both,I do it without acknowledgement in any shape or form. Too many are interested in mocking each other using the terrestrial and celestial arena as a backdrop so stop it and stop it now. You want to explain it then explain it in detail Well, Sorry if it was too simple of a statement. I do know this is important to you so please accept my appology for being too simple. But what I was thinking makes sense geometrically to me. If an object is revolving at a constant revolution and making 360 degree rotations at such a constant speed, but traveling in an elliptical orbit, the light shining per day will change per it's orbital position with relation to the sun and there will be one longest day and one shortest day for one trip around the sun. (year). Not even close and looks very much like the hundreds of others who try to guess their way through this material. I hope you would like to enlighten me to what else you are considering since I guess this is not the only factor involved. But i do think it is a partial factor at least and should not be ignored nor a waste of time as part of the explanation at least. Two motions - daily rotation and orbital motion,each separate from each other. Ask a simple question - In the absence of daily rotation,would a location on Earth keep the same face to the Sun over the course of a year and therefore experience constant daylight or would a location change its orientation to the central Sun and experience a year long day in terms of daylight/darkness ?. The answer is in that time lapse footage of Uranus, you can see daily rotation as a separate motion to the change in the motion of the ring as Uranus orbits the Sun - http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/arc...999/11/video/b One simple question that changes the way we look at orbital motion and nobody has answered it correctly,not even when you can actually see it.Here James,here is an animation which may help where a crank pin constantly pointing to the same external point yet changes is orientation to the central shaft - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV9WkQkUHZ4 Apply it to Uranus - http://physics.uoregon.edu/~jimbrau/...13/FG13_06.jpg And then apply it to the Earth ,something which has not been done before.As the Equinox approaches in another week,the forward orbital motion of the Earth brings the circle of illumination in line the geographical poles thereby generating the same length of daylight/ darkness at all points on the globe.The explanation presently uses 'axial tilt' and does not reference what is happening orbitally. Again,if people cannot handle the basic daylight/darkness variation cycle and what causes it,they are unlikely to be capable of handling climate and that James, is very important . |
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Why Earth's mantle is solid
oriel36 wrote:
On Sep 12, 6:46 am, "Spaceman" wrote: oriel36 wrote: On Sep 12, 4:40 am, "Spaceman" wrote: oriel36 wrote: On Sep 11, 6:52 pm, "Number Eleven - GPEMC!" wrote: "oriel36" wrote in message ... [SNIP] "There is no frustration,the opposite in fact given that I openly enjoy rotational dynamics and leave nothing to stationary Earth 'convection cells'.With everybody trading in surface correlations and chemical compositions without reference to rotational dynamics nor how the Earth's spherical deviation meshes in with crustal evolution and motion,I have no reason to complain." [SNIP] So how do you acount for what seismic data implies about the earth's interior? Look,right now there is an enormous amount of attention being paid to the LHC and the interpretation of data it will generate,with the usual cobblers about the 'deep mysteries of the universe','new physic,etc, etc. I have images of a planet in motion with demonstrates how a planet orbits the central Sun in a specific way and applying the lessons learned to the Earth will give an entirely new explanation for why we experience seasonal daylight/darkness variations and why the natural noon cycles are unequal - Well, How about this Oriel36, The revolution speed of Earth never actually changes, It is simply the elliptic orbit that creates the difference in light/dark and longer/shorter days with reference to the sun. Do not waste my time !,if you want to listen then listen,if not then stay away from this important matter.Unless you haven't noticed,there is a clear distinction between human influence on climate and natural variations and presently individuals are required to appreciate what goes into the annual cyclical variations at the barest level - variations in daylight/darkness and then consider climate as a whole.Spare me the stupid emoticons for I assure you it takes quite an effort to split daily rotational and orbital motions and work on the specifics of both,I do it without acknowledgement in any shape or form. Too many are interested in mocking each other using the terrestrial and celestial arena as a backdrop so stop it and stop it now. You want to explain it then explain it in detail Well, Sorry if it was too simple of a statement. I do know this is important to you so please accept my appology for being too simple. But what I was thinking makes sense geometrically to me. If an object is revolving at a constant revolution and making 360 degree rotations at such a constant speed, but traveling in an elliptical orbit, the light shining per day will change per it's orbital position with relation to the sun and there will be one longest day and one shortest day for one trip around the sun. (year). Not even close and looks very much like the hundreds of others who try to guess their way through this material. I hope you would like to enlighten me to what else you are considering since I guess this is not the only factor involved. But i do think it is a partial factor at least and should not be ignored nor a waste of time as part of the explanation at least. Two motions - daily rotation and orbital motion,each separate from each other. Ask a simple question - In the absence of daily rotation,would a location on Earth keep the same face to the Sun over the course of a year and therefore experience constant daylight or would a location change its orientation to the central Sun and experience a year long day in terms of daylight/darkness ?. If the Earth was not rotating with reference to space itself. As if one location on Earth was always pointing towards one point billions and billions of miles away and it was only traveling around the sun without daily rotation, then it would still experience day and night but of course the day would last about half a year and the night would be about the other half. Hmm? I think I might see what you are getting at but I don't want to jump any further yet and would rather think a bit more about my thoughts. The answer is in that time lapse footage of Uranus, you can see daily rotation as a separate motion to the change in the motion of the ring as Uranus orbits the Sun - http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/arc...999/11/video/b One simple question that changes the way we look at orbital motion and nobody has answered it correctly,not even when you can actually see it.Here James,here is an animation which may help where a crank pin constantly pointing to the same external point yet changes is orientation to the central shaft - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV9WkQkUHZ4 Apply it to Uranus - http://physics.uoregon.edu/~jimbrau/...13/FG13_06.jpg And then apply it to the Earth ,something which has not been done before.As the Equinox approaches in another week,the forward orbital motion of the Earth brings the circle of illumination in line the geographical poles thereby generating the same length of daylight/ darkness at all points on the globe.The explanation presently uses 'axial tilt' and does not reference what is happening orbitally. Again,if people cannot handle the basic daylight/darkness variation cycle and what causes it,they are unlikely to be capable of handling climate and that James, is very important . I think I might be getting it, but I would like to know if you think my answer above is following what you stated and what you tried to point out to me. |
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On Sep 12, 7:52*am, "Spaceman"
wrote: oriel36 wrote: On Sep 12, 6:46 am, "Spaceman" wrote: oriel36 wrote: On Sep 12, 4:40 am, "Spaceman" wrote: oriel36 wrote: On Sep 11, 6:52 pm, "Number Eleven - GPEMC!" wrote: "oriel36" wrote in message .... [SNIP] "There is no frustration,the opposite in fact given that I openly enjoy rotational dynamics and leave nothing to stationary Earth 'convection cells'.With everybody trading in surface correlations and chemical compositions without reference to rotational dynamics nor how the Earth's spherical deviation meshes in with crustal evolution and motion,I have no reason to complain." [SNIP] So how do you acount for what seismic data implies about the earth's interior? Look,right now there is an enormous amount of attention being paid to the LHC and the interpretation of data it will generate,with the usual cobblers about the 'deep mysteries of the universe','new physic,etc, etc. I have images of a planet in motion with demonstrates how a planet orbits the central Sun in a specific way and applying the lessons learned to the Earth will give an entirely new explanation for why we experience seasonal daylight/darkness variations and why the natural noon cycles are unequal - Well, How about this Oriel36, The revolution speed of Earth never actually changes, It is simply the elliptic orbit that creates the difference in light/dark and longer/shorter days with reference to the sun. Do not waste my time !,if you want to listen then listen,if not then stay away from this important matter.Unless you haven't noticed,there is a clear distinction between human influence on climate and natural variations and presently individuals are required to appreciate what goes into the annual cyclical variations at the barest level - variations in daylight/darkness and then consider climate as a whole.Spare me the stupid emoticons for I assure you it takes quite an effort to split daily rotational and orbital motions and work on the specifics of both,I do it without acknowledgement in any shape or form. Too many are interested in mocking each other using the terrestrial and celestial arena as a backdrop so stop it and stop it now. You want to explain it then explain it in detail Well, Sorry if it was too simple of a statement. I do know this is important to you so please accept my appology for being too simple. But what I was thinking makes sense geometrically to me. If an object is revolving at a constant revolution and making 360 degree rotations at such a constant speed, but traveling in an elliptical orbit, the light shining per day will change per it's orbital position with relation to the sun and there will be one longest day and one shortest day for one trip around the sun. (year). Not even close and looks very much like the hundreds of others who try to guess their way through this material. I hope you would like to enlighten me to what else you are considering since I guess this is not the only factor involved. But i do think it is a partial factor at least and should not be ignored nor a waste of time as part of the explanation at least. Two motions - daily rotation and orbital motion,each separate from each other. Ask a simple question - In the absence of daily rotation,would a location on Earth keep the same face to the Sun over the course of a year and therefore experience constant daylight or would a location change its orientation to the central Sun and experience a year long day in terms of daylight/darkness ?. If the Earth was not rotating with reference to space itself. If the Earth were not rotating - period .No rotation,no pointing,no reference, nothing just orbital motion by itself .Then you look at what any location on Earth will do over an orbital period. Once a person clues into what is happening,and it is orbitally fascinating,they will see just how big that additional and overlooked orbital component is,truly !. As if one location on Earth was always pointing towards one point billions and billions of miles away and it was only traveling around the sun without daily rotation, then it would still experience day and night but of course the day would last about half a year and the night would be about the other half. Hmm? I think I might see what you are getting at but I don't want to jump any further yet and would rather think a bit more about my thoughts. The answer is in that time lapse footage of Uranus, you can see daily rotation as a separate motion to the change in the motion of the ring as Uranus orbits the Sun - http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/arc...999/11/video/b One simple question that changes the way we look at orbital motion and nobody has answered it correctly,not even when you can actually see it.Here James,here is an animation which may help where a crank pin constantly *pointing to the same external point yet changes is orientation to the central shaft - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV9WkQkUHZ4 Apply it to Uranus - http://physics.uoregon.edu/~jimbrau/...13/FG13_06.jpg And then apply it to the Earth ,something which has not been done before.As the Equinox approaches in another week,the forward orbital motion of the Earth brings the circle of illumination in line the geographical poles thereby generating the same length of daylight/ darkness at all points on the globe.The explanation presently uses 'axial tilt' and does not reference what is happening orbitally. Again,if people cannot handle the basic daylight/darkness variation cycle and what causes it,they are unlikely to be capable of handling climate and that James, is very important . I think I might be getting it, but I would like to know if you think my answer above is following what you stated and what you tried to point out to me. Keep trying and then use daily rotation and the slow orbital change with respect to the central Sun to move on to why the noon cycles vary in length (not the same thing as daylight/darkness variations).It is a bit tricky but once you see it,it changes many,many things. |
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oriel36 wrote:
On Sep 12, 7:52 am, "Spaceman" wrote: oriel36 wrote: snipped Ask a simple question - In the absence of daily rotation,would a location on Earth keep the same face to the Sun over the course of a year and therefore experience constant daylight or would a location change its orientation to the central Sun and experience a year long day in terms of daylight/darkness ?. If the Earth was not rotating with reference to space itself. If the Earth were not rotating - period .No rotation,no pointing,no reference, nothing just orbital motion by itself .Then you look at what any location on Earth will do over an orbital period. Once a person clues into what is happening,and it is orbitally fascinating,they will see just how big that additional and overlooked orbital component is,truly !. Without daily rotation, we would get half year light, half year night. on one point of the Earth. We would only get a perceived rotation as one percieved rotation per year but not a physical rotation. The light from the sun would still travel around the Earth once per year if that is the "no rotation" of Earth you mean. I am thinking you mean NOT like the moon that faces one point towards us at all times which actually is one physical revolution each orbit..) That is what I was saying, I probably should not have used the pointing method since that would create rotation like the moon does. Snipped I think I might be getting it, but I would like to know if you think my answer above is following what you stated and what you tried to point out to me. Keep trying and then use daily rotation and the slow orbital change with respect to the central Sun to move on to why the noon cycles vary in length (not the same thing as daylight/darkness variations).It is a bit tricky but once you see it,it changes many,many things. I am slowly putting it together I think Going to get some sleep though right now. Been a tiring day trying to spread the word about clock malfunctions as you know. -- James M Driscoll Jr Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory Spaceman |
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On Sep 11, 11:10 pm, oriel36 wrote:
On Sep 12, 7:52 am, "Spaceman" wrote: oriel36 wrote: On Sep 12, 6:46 am, "Spaceman" wrote: oriel36 wrote: On Sep 12, 4:40 am, "Spaceman" wrote: oriel36 wrote: On Sep 11, 6:52 pm, "Number Eleven - GPEMC!" wrote: "oriel36" wrote in message ... [SNIP] "There is no frustration,the opposite in fact given that I openly enjoy rotational dynamics and leave nothing to stationary Earth 'convection cells'.With everybody trading in surface correlations and chemical compositions without reference to rotational dynamics nor how the Earth's spherical deviation meshes in with crustal evolution and motion,I have no reason to complain." [SNIP] So how do you acount for what seismic data implies about the earth's interior? Look,right now there is an enormous amount of attention being paid to the LHC and the interpretation of data it will generate,with the usual cobblers about the 'deep mysteries of the universe','new physic,etc, etc. I have images of a planet in motion with demonstrates how a planet orbits the central Sun in a specific way and applying the lessons learned to the Earth will give an entirely new explanation for why we experience seasonal daylight/darkness variations and why the natural noon cycles are unequal - Well, How about this Oriel36, The revolution speed of Earth never actually changes, It is simply the elliptic orbit that creates the difference in light/dark and longer/shorter days with reference to the sun. Do not waste my time !,if you want to listen then listen,if not then stay away from this important matter.Unless you haven't noticed,there is a clear distinction between human influence on climate and natural variations and presently individuals are required to appreciate what goes into the annual cyclical variations at the barest level - variations in daylight/darkness and then consider climate as a whole.Spare me the stupid emoticons for I assure you it takes quite an effort to split daily rotational and orbital motions and work on the specifics of both,I do it without acknowledgement in any shape or form. Too many are interested in mocking each other using the terrestrial and celestial arena as a backdrop so stop it and stop it now. You want to explain it then explain it in detail Well, Sorry if it was too simple of a statement. I do know this is important to you so please accept my appology for being too simple. But what I was thinking makes sense geometrically to me. If an object is revolving at a constant revolution and making 360 degree rotations at such a constant speed, but traveling in an elliptical orbit, the light shining per day will change per it's orbital position with relation to the sun and there will be one longest day and one shortest day for one trip around the sun. (year). Not even close and looks very much like the hundreds of others who try to guess their way through this material. I hope you would like to enlighten me to what else you are considering since I guess this is not the only factor involved. But i do think it is a partial factor at least and should not be ignored nor a waste of time as part of the explanation at least. Two motions - daily rotation and orbital motion,each separate from each other. Ask a simple question - In the absence of daily rotation,would a location on Earth keep the same face to the Sun over the course of a year and therefore experience constant daylight or would a location change its orientation to the central Sun and experience a year long day in terms of daylight/darkness ?. If the Earth was not rotating with reference to space itself. If the Earth were not rotating - period .No rotation,no pointing,no reference, nothing just orbital motion by itself .Then you look at what any location on Earth will do over an orbital period. Once a person clues into what is happening,and it is orbitally fascinating,they will see just how big that additional and overlooked orbital component is,truly !. As if one location on Earth was always pointing towards one point billions and billions of miles away and it was only traveling around the sun without daily rotation, then it would still experience day and night but of course the day would last about half a year and the night would be about the other half. Hmm? I think I might see what you are getting at but I don't want to jump any further yet and would rather think a bit more about my thoughts. The answer is in that time lapse footage of Uranus, you can see daily rotation as a separate motion to the change in the motion of the ring as Uranus orbits the Sun - http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/arc...999/11/video/b One simple question that changes the way we look at orbital motion and nobody has answered it correctly,not even when you can actually see it.Here James,here is an animation which may help where a crank pin constantly pointing to the same external point yet changes is orientation to the central shaft - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV9WkQkUHZ4 Apply it to Uranus - http://physics.uoregon.edu/~jimbrau/...13/FG13_06.jpg And then apply it to the Earth ,something which has not been done before.As the Equinox approaches in another week,the forward orbital motion of the Earth brings the circle of illumination in line the geographical poles thereby generating the same length of daylight/ darkness at all points on the globe.The explanation presently uses 'axial tilt' and does not reference what is happening orbitally. Again,if people cannot handle the basic daylight/darkness variation cycle and what causes it,they are unlikely to be capable of handling climate and that James, is very important . I think I might be getting it, but I would like to know if you think my answer above is following what you stated and what you tried to point out to me. Keep trying and then use daily rotation and the slow orbital change with respect to the central Sun to move on to why the noon cycles vary in length (not the same thing as daylight/darkness variations).It is a bit tricky but once you see it,it changes many,many things. Add in another 2e20 N/sec worth of orbiting tidal flexing, and it's even more interesting. ~ BG |
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On Sep 11, 3:20 am, oriel36 wrote:
On Sep 11, 4:37 am, "Number Eleven - GPEMC!" wrote: "oriel36" wrote in message ... On Sep 7, 5:53 am, "Number Eleven - GPEMC!" wrote: "Remember,the Earth is rotating and the internal composition cannot rotate as a single unit therefore differential rotation must be present." Not necessarily. Take away the temperature differential and there is nothing left to drive micro-rotations against friction. Even differential rotation must overcome friction and for this to occur purely from the energy stored in a body's angular momentum, the overall rate of rotation must decay as it is consumed in overcoming friction. "You are talking when you should be listening" [SNIP] Gee, you really know how to rub people the wrong way! :^) I probably should listen more, but Hey! I'm human just like you. :^) You know, it just might help people be more willing to explore your ideas if you can accept the quirks of their humanity. We all love to chatter, perhaps because we all want to be heard, no? I can understand your frustration at posting the same old stuff over and over again - but I've got to say, you are not alone. Apparently this is a common problem on newsgroups. What do you have in the way of reference sources regarding the subject of viscous fluid dynamics of rotational bodies? If it is a fluid it is already viscous. There is no frustration,the opposite in fact given that I openly enjoy rotational dynamics and leave nothing to stationary Earth 'convection cells'.With everybody trading in surface correlations and chemical compositions without reference to rotational dynamics nor how the Earth's spherical deviation meshes in with crustal evolution and motion,I have no reason to complain. When a major modification comes along,there is no real need to constantly recycle the arguments and I am not going to twist people's arms,so to speak,in pointing out that a rotating Earth has rotational consequences such as the differential rotation of the interior.They can even borrow generalised rotational dynamics from stars if they wish to demonstrate that a rotating composition in a viscous state displays differential rotation between Equatorial and polar regions. Enjoy your stationary Earth conceptions and you can safely leave me to enjoy the consequences of a rotating Earth on both planetary shape and crustal motion. TIA -- Timothy Casey GPEMC! Conditions apply. Seewww.fieldcraft.biz/GPEMC Essays:http://timothycasey.info;http://spee...prehension.com Softwahttp://fieldcraft.biz;ScientificIQ Test, Web Menus, Security. Science & Technical:http://geologist-1011.com;http://web-design-1011.com Don't leave out our Selene/moon, and of it's 2e20 N/sec worth of tidal body flexing force, causing an equator wave of 55 cm isn't exactly insignificant. ~ BG |
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On Sep 12, 8:29*am, "Spaceman"
wrote: oriel36 wrote: On Sep 12, 7:52 am, "Spaceman" wrote: oriel36 wrote: snipped Ask a simple question - In the absence of daily rotation,would a location on Earth keep the same face to the Sun over the course of a year and therefore experience constant daylight or would a location change its orientation to the central Sun and experience a year long day in terms of daylight/darkness ?. If the Earth was not rotating with reference to space itself. If the Earth were not rotating - period .No rotation,no pointing,no reference, nothing just orbital motion by itself .Then you look at what any location on Earth will do over an orbital period. Once a person clues into what is happening,and it is orbitally fascinating,they will see just how big that additional and overlooked orbital component is,truly !. Without daily rotation, we would get half year light, half year night. on one point of the Earth. We would only get a perceived rotation as one percieved rotation per year but not a physical rotation. The light from the sun would still travel around the Earth once per year if that is the "no rotation" of Earth yo Yes James,it already happens at the North and South poles where daily rotation is at its least.They already experience a year long cycle of daylight/darkness and if daily rotation did stop,every location on the planet would experience the same thing. This year long daylight/darkness cycle is due to the orbital motion of the Earth and not 'axial tilt' and that is where the major change in explanation occurs.I know too well just how tricky it is at first to get your head around it at first however the time lapse footage of Uranus will help in showing how the orbital motion of the planet behaves separately to daily rotation.The mind tends to want to join the daily rotation and orbital motion and that is why the variable 'axial tilt' explanation has remained for so long whereas if you just see orbital motion without daily rotation (as close as physically possible at the poles) it is possible to see what is happening as the Earth orbits the Sun. Look,it is possible to keep taunting those who cannot alter their views and God knows some of them deserve it however it is much better to demonstrate where modern imaging can be put to spectacular use if the right people can interpret the images correctly and certainly this particular topic has huge benefits for climate studies along with a separate insight based on geological implications arising from daily rotation.In short,I hope people actually look at the motions of the Earth and depart from the awful framework created in the late 17th century by Flamsteed,Newton and their followers. I am thinking you mean NOT like the moon that faces one point towards us at all times which actually is one physical revolution each orbit..) That is what I was saying, I probably should not have used the pointing method since that would create rotation like the moon does. Snipped I think I might be getting it, but I would like to know if you think my answer above is following what you stated and what you tried to point out to me. Keep trying and then use daily rotation and the slow orbital change with respect to the central Sun to move on to why the noon cycles vary in length (not the same thing as daylight/darkness variations).It is a bit tricky but once you see it,it changes many,many things. I am slowly putting it together I think Going to get some sleep though right now. Been a tiring day trying to spread the word about clock malfunctions as you know. -- James M Driscoll Jr Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory Spaceman |
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Why Earth's mantle is solid
oriel36 wrote:
On Sep 12, 8:29 am, "Spaceman" wrote: oriel36 wrote: On Sep 12, 7:52 am, "Spaceman" wrote: oriel36 wrote: snipped Ask a simple question - In the absence of daily rotation,would a location on Earth keep the same face to the Sun over the course of a year and therefore experience constant daylight or would a location change its orientation to the central Sun and experience a year long day in terms of daylight/darkness ?. If the Earth was not rotating with reference to space itself. If the Earth were not rotating - period .No rotation,no pointing,no reference, nothing just orbital motion by itself .Then you look at what any location on Earth will do over an orbital period. Once a person clues into what is happening,and it is orbitally fascinating,they will see just how big that additional and overlooked orbital component is,truly !. Without daily rotation, we would get half year light, half year night. on one point of the Earth. We would only get a perceived rotation as one percieved rotation per year but not a physical rotation. The light from the sun would still travel around the Earth once per year if that is the "no rotation" of Earth yo Yes James,it already happens at the North and South poles where daily rotation is at its least.They already experience a year long cycle of daylight/darkness and if daily rotation did stop,every location on the planet would experience the same thing. This year long daylight/darkness cycle is due to the orbital motion of the Earth and not 'axial tilt' and that is where the major change in explanation occurs.I know too well just how tricky it is at first to get your head around it at first however the time lapse footage of Uranus will help in showing how the orbital motion of the planet behaves separately to daily rotation.The mind tends to want to join the daily rotation and orbital motion and that is why the variable 'axial tilt' explanation has remained for so long whereas if you just see orbital motion without daily rotation (as close as physically possible at the poles) it is possible to see what is happening as the Earth orbits the Sun. Look,it is possible to keep taunting those who cannot alter their views and God knows some of them deserve it however it is much better to demonstrate where modern imaging can be put to spectacular use if the right people can interpret the images correctly and certainly this particular topic has huge benefits for climate studies along with a separate insight based on geological implications arising from daily rotation.In short,I hope people actually look at the motions of the Earth and depart from the awful framework created in the late 17th century by Flamsteed,Newton and their followers. Just for my references, Where is it that Newton explains seasons and goes wrong like the others? |
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Why Earth's mantle is solid
On Sep 13, 7:18*pm, "Spaceman"
wrote: oriel36 wrote: On Sep 12, 8:29 am, "Spaceman" wrote: oriel36 wrote: On Sep 12, 7:52 am, "Spaceman" wrote: oriel36 wrote: snipped Ask a simple question - In the absence of daily rotation,would a location on Earth keep the same face to the Sun over the course of a year and therefore experience constant daylight or would a location change its orientation to the central Sun and experience a year long day in terms of daylight/darkness ?. If the Earth was not rotating with reference to space itself. If the Earth were not rotating - period .No rotation,no pointing,no reference, nothing just orbital motion by itself .Then you look at what any location on Earth will do over an orbital period. Once a person clues into what is happening,and it is orbitally fascinating,they will see just how big that additional and overlooked orbital component is,truly !. Without daily rotation, we would get half year light, half year night. on one point of the Earth. We would only get a perceived rotation as one percieved rotation per year but not a physical rotation. The light from the sun would still travel around the Earth once per year if that is the "no rotation" of Earth yo Yes James,it already happens at the North and South poles where daily rotation is at its least.They already experience a year long cycle of daylight/darkness and if daily rotation did stop,every location on the planet would experience the same thing. This year long daylight/darkness cycle is due to the orbital motion of the Earth and not 'axial tilt' and that is where the major change in explanation occurs.I know too well just how tricky it is at first to get your head around it at first however the time lapse footage of Uranus will help in showing how the orbital motion of the planet behaves separately to daily rotation.The mind tends to want to join the daily rotation and orbital motion and that is why the variable 'axial tilt' explanation has remained for so long whereas if you just see orbital motion without daily rotation (as close as physically possible at the poles) it is possible to see what is happening as the Earth orbits the Sun. Look,it is possible to keep taunting those who cannot alter their views and God knows some of them deserve it however it is much better to demonstrate where modern imaging can be put to spectacular use if the right people can interpret the images correctly *and certainly this particular topic has huge benefits for climate studies along with a separate insight based on geological implications arising from daily rotation.In short,I hope people actually look at the motions of the Earth and depart from the awful framework created in the late 17th century by Flamsteed,Newton and their followers. Just for my references, Where is it that Newton explains seasons and goes wrong like the others? Do you not find the specific way the Earth orbits the central Sun to be fascinating ?,I mean,this is brand new and has never been discussed before.If you look at the time lapse footage of Uranus you would imagine that the rotational orientation (tilt) is pointing at different points in space but is in fact constant pointing to the same direction,just as the Earth is so the change is due to the way the planet orbits the Sun - http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/arc...999/11/video/b This is a rare type of modification James (Kepler's orbital modification being another),this bypasses the mutations of Flamsteed/ Newton in the late 17th century and goes straight to the original explanation of Copernicus himself - "To this circle, which goes through the middle of the signs, and to its plane, the equator and the earth's axis must be understood to have a variable inclination. For if they stayed at a constant angle, and were affected exclusively by the motion of the centre, no inequality of days and nights would be observed. On the contrary,it day or the day of equal daylight and darkness, or summer or winter, or whatever the character of the season, it would remain identical and unchanged." Copernicus The new modification for the explanation of seasonal daylight/darkness variations does not rely on variable axial/equatorial tilt but introduces an orbital component by focusing on how the specific way the Earth orbits the central Sun just like Uranus,the difference being that modern imaging is so powerful along with time lapse footage that it is a 100% observational and geometric certainty.It was the need to explain why the natural noon cycles vary globally by the same amount that required an explanation and that is where Newton/Flamsteed come in. I am not doing this to prove Newton wrong,I am doing this because there is a new way to explain the seasons and even if I can go through the whole tangled mess created in the late 17th century with ease,the point is to get people looking at something spectacular for a change. |
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