South pole rescue

Jupiter is pretty useless for demonstrating your polar nonsense, as it has an inclination of only 3 degrees.

On Monday, July 4, 2016 at 9:55:26 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:
It is a shame this insight is going to suffer the same fate as the
partitioning of perspectives between the inner and outer planets but such
is an unmoderated forum and people who simply do not care.

The last Solstice had a rare event where the moon's orbital position at
full moon and polar midnight faced each other so that when the moon
returns to the same orbital position in its monthly circuit, the South
pole will have turned over 27 degrees representative of the orbital
surface rotation to the Sun accomplished by the Earth's entire surface
during its annual circuit.

The moon will remain in view for a number of weeks at the South pole and
free of the rotation which causes the Sun to appear above the horizon at
lower latitudes and disappear at sunset within the same 24 hour day and
indeed the moon for the same reason. To be able to see the partial
orbital motion of the moon unencumbered by daily rotation should excite
astronomers enough to request people at the South pole station to create
a time lapse as it comes into view next week and even though it would not
be as spectacular as the event just passed it is certainly a worthy endeavor.





The moon rises on the 10th of July and then circles above the horizon 14
times in an anti-clockwise direction before setting on the 24th of July.


By a wonderful coincidence the turmoil engulfing Britain and the Juno mission have something in common via Galileo -

"And who can doubt that it will lead to the worst disorders when minds created free by God are compelled to submit slavishly to an outside will? When we are told to deny our senses and subject them to the whim of others? When people devoid of whatsoever competence are made judges over experts and are granted authority to treat them as they please? These are the novelties which are apt to bring about the ruin of commonwealths and the subversion of the state." Galileo

I have known for some time that when people do not exercise that part of their mind which deals with long term judgments that unpleasant and dangerous consequences emerge.

I have no doubt whatsoever that the time lapse of Juno as it approached Jupiter with the moons circling the planet help elucidate the motion of our own moon and how it is seen from the South pole around the Solstice when it will display a range of phases from one quarter to the next quarter with a full moon central whereas this will switch around to the North pole in 6 months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjfQCTat-8s

Those images alone are worth the 1.1 billion spent on the mission as it includes the all-important circle of illumination which helps put orbital positions in context, not just for Jupiter and its moons but our own moon. Men rise to challenges of the open celestial arena while snakes live under conceptual rocks .

Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 9:05:47 AM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Monday, July 4, 2016 at 9:55:26 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:



The moon rises on the 10th of July and then circles above the horizon 14
times in an anti-clockwise direction before setting on the 24th of July.


The moon orbits the Earth and it is that simple. Around the June Solstice
at the South pole the moon will always show its fully illuminated face
due to its orbital position while simultaneously it is out of sight at the North pole.



Since this is the South Pole any object appearing to circle above the
horizon is also appearing to circle the celestial South Pole.

I see you didn't learn anything from the imaging of stellar circumpolar
motion and that you would rather drive yourself into insanity than accept
that putting objects like the Sun and moon in circumpolar motion is a
type of intellectual scream -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap140620.html




Why do you think showing a photo of star trails proved your point. It shows
the opposite.


It is noon in Cape Town at roughly the same time it is noon in Stockholm
so putting the Sun in circumpolar motion is mindless insanity as there
are two circuits to follow insofar as this is what circumpolar motion
represents from observations -

Try to follow a simple concept. It's not the sun that's moving.

It's the Earth turning.

As the Earth turns the whole sky appears to rotate. But it's just the
rotation of the Earth.

If you imagine a line running from the north to the South Pole (let's call
it a meridian) everywhere on the Earth on that line will have the sun at
it's maximum height for the day. Let's call that local noon. Exactly at the
poles all those lines meet so it's always noon and midnight at the pole.
For convenience those at the poles use a standard time to note the passing
of the hours.

At the poles it's obvious that the Earth is rotating because all the stars
seem to circle round the horizon. Some of the celestial objects wander
around because they orbit the sun. The sun seems to move up and down a
little because the axis of rotation of the Earth points at Polaris in the
north and sigma Octantis in the south.

If you go to a globe of the world you can see this. Turn the globe around.
It rotates about the north - south axis. If you were standing on that globe
you would see that everything would seem to rotate about the poles.

If you were at the poles everything would seem to rotate about the pole you
were on. If you were at the equator star trails overhead would seem to be
straight. You wouldn't be able to see the pole stars. Here's an example
using a whole sky camera.



https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=eq...Fnp9iIMzO5M%3A

On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 6:05:42 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 9:05:47 AM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Monday, July 4, 2016 at 9:55:26 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:



The moon rises on the 10th of July and then circles above the horizon 14
times in an anti-clockwise direction before setting on the 24th of July.


The moon orbits the Earth and it is that simple. Around the June Solstice
at the South pole the moon will always show its fully illuminated face
due to its orbital position while simultaneously it is out of sight at the North pole.



Since this is the South Pole any object appearing to circle above the
horizon is also appearing to circle the celestial South Pole.

I see you didn't learn anything from the imaging of stellar circumpolar
motion and that you would rather drive yourself into insanity than accept
that putting objects like the Sun and moon in circumpolar motion is a
type of intellectual scream -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap140620.html




Why do you think showing a photo of star trails proved your point. It shows
the opposite.


It is noon in Cape Town at roughly the same time it is noon in Stockholm
so putting the Sun in circumpolar motion is mindless insanity as there
are two circuits to follow insofar as this is what circumpolar motion
represents from observations -

Try to follow a simple concept. It's not the sun that's moving.

It's the Earth turning.

As the Earth turns the whole sky appears to rotate. But it's just the
rotation of the Earth.


The whole sky indeed !, an anachronism for those who can't make the adjustment to the planet's two different types of day/night cycles and the separate rotations which account for them.

It is one of the most exciting advancements to account for the turning of the North and South poles (representative of the entire planet's surface) across the fully illuminated face of the Earth as the North pole is now accomplishing while the South pole face away from the central Sun, doesn't rotate as a function of the Earth's daily rotation and thereby creates a platform for the continuous view of the moon's orbital motion just as an external spacecraft captures Jupiter's moons in respect to the planet and its circle of illumination -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjfQCTat-8s


Extract daily rotation and operate on orbital levels, whether for the Earth looking out at the orbits of the moon and the other planets and a whole vista of discovery opens up for observers and leave the celestial sphere guys and their rotating sky behind.

The Americans needn't think of themselves as hillybilly cousins from the colonies anymore and learn to grow out of their reliance on a Royal Society squabbles a few centuries ago that temporarily disrupted astronomy and its purpose for humanity.

Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 6:05:42 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 9:05:47 AM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Monday, July 4, 2016 at 9:55:26 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:



The moon rises on the 10th of July and then circles above the horizon 14
times in an anti-clockwise direction before setting on the 24th of July.


The moon orbits the Earth and it is that simple. Around the June Solstice
at the South pole the moon will always show its fully illuminated face
due to its orbital position while simultaneously it is out of sight at the North pole.



Since this is the South Pole any object appearing to circle above the
horizon is also appearing to circle the celestial South Pole.

I see you didn't learn anything from the imaging of stellar circumpolar
motion and that you would rather drive yourself into insanity than accept
that putting objects like the Sun and moon in circumpolar motion is a
type of intellectual scream -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap140620.html




Why do you think showing a photo of star trails proved your point. It shows
the opposite.


It is noon in Cape Town at roughly the same time it is noon in Stockholm
so putting the Sun in circumpolar motion is mindless insanity as there
are two circuits to follow insofar as this is what circumpolar motion
represents from observations -

Try to follow a simple concept. It's not the sun that's moving.

It's the Earth turning.

As the Earth turns the whole sky appears to rotate. But it's just the
rotation of the Earth.


The whole sky indeed !, an anachronism for those who can't make the
adjustment to the planet's two different types of day/night cycles and
the separate rotations which account for them.

It is one of the most exciting advancements to account for the turning of
the North and South poles (representative of the entire planet's surface)
across the fully illuminated face of the Earth as the North pole is now
accomplishing while the South pole face away from the central Sun,
doesn't rotate as a function of the Earth's daily rotation and thereby
creates a platform for the continuous view of the moon's orbital motion
just as an external spacecraft captures Jupiter's moons in respect to the
planet and its circle of illumination -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjfQCTat-8s


Extract daily rotation and operate on orbital levels, whether for the
Earth looking out at the orbits of the moon and the other planets and a
whole vista of discovery opens up for observers and leave the celestial
sphere guys and their rotating sky behind.

The Americans needn't think of themselves as hillybilly cousins from the
colonies anymore and learn to grow out of their reliance on a Royal
Society squabbles a few centuries ago that temporarily disrupted
astronomy and its purpose for humanity.








No,the whole sky is not turning. But the Earth is.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=eq...Fnp9iIMzO5M%3A

On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 7:11:54 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

No,the whole sky is not turning. But the Earth is.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=eq...Fnp9iIMzO5M%3A

It is one of those things where a person can gauge whether they can be inspired or inspiring and this is what was lost due to pretense of experimental theorists and the celestial sphere magnification sidekicks.

The Earth turns in two distinct ways to the Sun and it is why when the two surface rotations combine we experience the seasons or, if people so wish, when daily rotation is subtracted the entire surface of the planets turn once as a function of its orbital motion. The Sun will come into view at the South pole in less than 3 months as the surface continues to turn the poles in a small circle with a circumference equivalent to the Arctic and Antarctic circles . The moon comes into view at the South pole in a week due to its own orbital motion and will stay in view constantly as it travels passed North of the South pole in its monthly orbit of the Earth.

All the convictions in the world can't buy a person this insight and all the other ones which contemporary imaging allows. Go celebrate something good for a change as images of Jupiter,its moons and circle of illumination is truly wonderful -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjfQCTat-8s


People pass through existence taking inspiration from natural and astronomical observations while knowing that these things existed before them and will exist after. The great history of the Earth written in geological formations and fossil records waiting for the right people to put stories to the clues in front of people. You were just handed a new clue today but can't apply it to the bigger picture of the Earth's own dynamics and its satellite..

On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 8:07:55 PM UTC+1, Gerald Kelleher wrote:
The moon comes into view at the South pole in a week due to its own orbital motion and will stay in view constantly as it travels passed North of the South pole in its monthly orbit of the Earth.

The moon and everything else visible in the sky are always North of the South pole.