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Old October 5th 06, 11:37 PM posted to alt.messianic,alt.atheism,alt.society.liberalism,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.space.policy
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Mysterious Force Pulls Back NASA Probe In Deep Space

By Robert Matthews

Science Correspondent

The Telegraph - London
2-11-2


A space probe launched 30 years ago has come under the influence of a
force that has baffled scientists and could rewrite the laws of
physics.

Researchers say Pioneer 10, which took the first close-up pictures of
Jupiter before leaving our solar system in 1983, is being pulled back
to the sun by an unknown force. The effect shows no sign of getting
weaker as the spacecraft travels deeper into space, and scientists are
considering the possibility that the probe has revealed a new force of
nature.

Dr Philip Laing, a member of the research team tracking the craft,
said: "We have examined every mechanism and theory we can think of and
so far nothing works.

"If the effect is real, it will have a big impact on cosmology and
spacecraft navigation," said Dr Laing, of the Aerospace Corporation of
California.

Pioneer 10 was launched by Nasa on March 2 1972, and with Pioneer 11,
its twin, revolutionised astronomy with detailed images of Jupiter and
Saturn. In June 1983, Pioneer 10 passed Pluto, the most distant planet
in our solar system.

Both probes are now travelling at 27,000mph towards stars that they
will encounter several million years from now. Scientists are
continuing to monitor signals from Pioneer 10, which is more than seven
billion miles from Earth.

Research to be published shortly in The Physical Review, a leading
physics journal, will show that the speed of the two probes is being
changed by about 6 mph per century - a barely-perceptible effect about
10 billion times weaker than gravity.

Scientists initially suspected that gas escaping from tiny rocket
motors aboard the probes, or heat leaking from their nuclear power
plants might be responsible. Both have now been ruled out. The team
says no current theories explain why the force stays constant: all the
most plausible forces, from gravity to the effect of solar radiation,
decrease rapidly with distance.

The bizarre behaviour has also eliminated the possibility that the two
probes are being affected by the gravitational pull of unknown planets
beyond the solar system.

Assertions by some scientists that the force is due to a quirk in the
Pioneer probes have also been discounted by the discovery that the
effect seems to be affecting Galileo and Ulysses, two other space
probes still in the solar system. Data from these two probes suggests
the force is of the same strength as that found for the Pioneers.

Dr Duncan Steel, a space scientist at Salford University, says even
such a weak force could have huge effects on a cosmic scale. "It might
alter the number of comets that come towards us over millions of years,
which would have consequences for life on Earth. It also raises the
question of whether we know enough about the law of gravity."

Until 1988, Pioneer 10 was the most remote object made by man - a
distinction now held by Voyager 1. Should Pioneer 10 make contact with
alien life, it carries a gold-plated aluminium plaque on which the
figures of a man and woman are shown to scale, along with a map showing
its origin that Nasa calls "the cosmic equivalent of a message in a
bottle".

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Old October 5th 06, 11:45 PM posted to alt.messianic,alt.atheism,alt.society.liberalism,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.space.policy
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On 5 Oct 2006 15:37:43 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
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http://www.rense.com/general20/probe.htm



Mysterious Force Pulls Back NASA Probe In Deep Space

By Robert Matthews

Science Correspondent

The Telegraph - London
2-11-2


A space probe launched 30 years ago has come under the influence of a
force that has baffled scientists and could rewrite the laws of
physics.


And your point is...?
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Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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Old October 5th 06, 11:53 PM posted to alt.messianic,alt.atheism,alt.society.liberalism,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.space.policy
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This is really exciting research. If the effect is real, it could
indicate the need for revision our theories of gravity -- and that, in
turn, is likely to have repercussions on other theories (dark matter
comes immediately to mind).

However, what's really astonishing is the level of ignorance required to
read this article, and then type a subject line like "Dreams Of Travel
To Stars Shattered". How can you read about an acceleration of 6 mph
per century, and not see that this would be absolutely no impediment to
interstellar travel?
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.rense.com/general20/probe.htm



Mysterious Force Pulls Back NASA Probe In Deep Space

By Robert Matthews

Science Correspondent

The Telegraph - London
2-11-2


A space probe launched 30 years ago has come under the influence of a
force that has baffled scientists and could rewrite the laws of
physics.


The force - if it indeed exists is tiny - NOT enough to shatter "Dreams
Of Travel To Stars "
so your title is completely misleading and deceptive.

Cheers, Mark.

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raven1 wrote:
And your point is...?


Not that the probe has discovered where the dark matter starts... no,
but instead that when C. S. Lewis wrote about "God's quarantine
regulations", he didn't know the half of it!

God knows how clever humans are at getting around limits. After all, He
destroyed the Tower of Babel.

"Heaven, even the heavens, are Gods; the Earth He has given to the
children of men" - and so the probe is just now bumping into the
firmament!

Those Weekly World News stories about the Hubble Space Telescope taking
pictures of angels in Heaven, while perhaps not true, are, apparently,
not utterly implausible.

John Savard

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Old October 6th 06, 02:23 AM posted to alt.messianic,alt.atheism,alt.society.liberalism,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.space.policy
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raven1 wrote:
On 5 Oct 2006 15:37:43 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
wrote:


http://www.rense.com/general20/probe.htm



Mysterious Force Pulls Back NASA Probe In Deep Space

By Robert Matthews

Science Correspondent

The Telegraph - London
2-11-2


A space probe launched 30 years ago has come under the influence of a
force that has baffled scientists and could rewrite the laws of
physics.



And your point is...?
--

"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"


Apparently, on top of his head.

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Old October 6th 06, 04:11 AM posted to alt.messianic,alt.atheism,alt.society.liberalism,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.space.policy
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wrote in message
ups.com...
raven1 wrote:
And your point is...?


Not that the probe has discovered where the dark matter starts... no,
but instead that when C. S. Lewis wrote about "God's quarantine
regulations", he didn't know the half of it!

God knows how clever humans are at getting around limits. After all, He
destroyed the Tower of Babel.

"Heaven, even the heavens, are Gods; the Earth He has given to the
children of men" - and so the probe is just now bumping into the
firmament!

Those Weekly World News stories about the Hubble Space Telescope taking
pictures of angels in Heaven, while perhaps not true, are, apparently,
not utterly implausible.




Interstellar travel is a waste of time, the only thing 'out there'
is the past.






John Savard


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Old October 6th 06, 04:25 AM posted to alt.messianic,alt.atheism,alt.society.liberalism,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.space.policy
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Default "Scientific" Dreams Of Travel To Stars Shattered: Mysterious Force Pulls Back NASA Probe In Deep Space

In article .com,
"Sound of Trumpet" wrote:

http://www.rense.com/general20/probe.htm



Mysterious Force Pulls Back NASA Probe In Deep Space

By Robert Matthews

Science Correspondent

The Telegraph - London
2-11-2


A space probe launched 30 years ago has come under the influence of a
force that has baffled scientists and could rewrite the laws of
physics.

Researchers say Pioneer 10, which took the first close-up pictures of
Jupiter before leaving our solar system in 1983, is being pulled back
to the sun by an unknown force. The effect shows no sign of getting
weaker as the spacecraft travels deeper into space, and scientists are
considering the possibility that the probe has revealed a new force of
nature.

Dr Philip Laing, a member of the research team tracking the craft,
said: "We have examined every mechanism and theory we can think of and
so far nothing works.

"If the effect is real, it will have a big impact on cosmology and
spacecraft navigation," said Dr Laing, of the Aerospace Corporation of
California.

Pioneer 10 was launched by Nasa on March 2 1972, and with Pioneer 11,
its twin, revolutionised astronomy with detailed images of Jupiter and
Saturn. In June 1983, Pioneer 10 passed Pluto, the most distant planet
in our solar system.

Both probes are now travelling at 27,000mph towards stars that they
will encounter several million years from now. Scientists are
continuing to monitor signals from Pioneer 10, which is more than seven
billion miles from Earth.

Research to be published shortly in The Physical Review, a leading
physics journal, will show that the speed of the two probes is being
changed by about 6 mph per century - a barely-perceptible effect about
10 billion times weaker than gravity.

Scientists initially suspected that gas escaping from tiny rocket
motors aboard the probes, or heat leaking from their nuclear power
plants might be responsible. Both have now been ruled out. The team
says no current theories explain why the force stays constant: all the
most plausible forces, from gravity to the effect of solar radiation,
decrease rapidly with distance.

The bizarre behaviour has also eliminated the possibility that the two
probes are being affected by the gravitational pull of unknown planets
beyond the solar system.

Assertions by some scientists that the force is due to a quirk in the
Pioneer probes have also been discounted by the discovery that the
effect seems to be affecting Galileo and Ulysses, two other space
probes still in the solar system. Data from these two probes suggests
the force is of the same strength as that found for the Pioneers.

Dr Duncan Steel, a space scientist at Salford University, says even
such a weak force could have huge effects on a cosmic scale. "It might
alter the number of comets that come towards us over millions of years,
which would have consequences for life on Earth. It also raises the
question of whether we know enough about the law of gravity."

Until 1988, Pioneer 10 was the most remote object made by man - a
distinction now held by Voyager 1. Should Pioneer 10 make contact with
alien life, it carries a gold-plated aluminium plaque on which the
figures of a man and woman are shown to scale, along with a map showing
its origin that Nasa calls "the cosmic equivalent of a message in a
bottle".


Could it be fluid dynamic drag, due to traveling through the miniscule
solar atmosphere way out there? There is, after all, some interstellar
gas there.
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 03:25:37 GMT, Orval Fairbairn
wrote:

In article .com,
"Sound of Trumpet" wrote:

http://www.rense.com/general20/probe.htm



Mysterious Force Pulls Back NASA Probe In Deep Space

By Robert Matthews

Science Correspondent

The Telegraph - London
2-11-2


A space probe launched 30 years ago has come under the influence of a
force that has baffled scientists and could rewrite the laws of
physics.

Researchers say Pioneer 10, which took the first close-up pictures of
Jupiter before leaving our solar system in 1983, is being pulled back
to the sun by an unknown force. The effect shows no sign of getting
weaker as the spacecraft travels deeper into space, and scientists are
considering the possibility that the probe has revealed a new force of
nature.

Dr Philip Laing, a member of the research team tracking the craft,
said: "We have examined every mechanism and theory we can think of and
so far nothing works.

"If the effect is real, it will have a big impact on cosmology and
spacecraft navigation," said Dr Laing, of the Aerospace Corporation of
California.

Pioneer 10 was launched by Nasa on March 2 1972, and with Pioneer 11,
its twin, revolutionised astronomy with detailed images of Jupiter and
Saturn. In June 1983, Pioneer 10 passed Pluto, the most distant planet
in our solar system.

Both probes are now travelling at 27,000mph towards stars that they
will encounter several million years from now. Scientists are
continuing to monitor signals from Pioneer 10, which is more than seven
billion miles from Earth.

Research to be published shortly in The Physical Review, a leading
physics journal, will show that the speed of the two probes is being
changed by about 6 mph per century - a barely-perceptible effect about
10 billion times weaker than gravity.

Scientists initially suspected that gas escaping from tiny rocket
motors aboard the probes, or heat leaking from their nuclear power
plants might be responsible. Both have now been ruled out. The team
says no current theories explain why the force stays constant: all the
most plausible forces, from gravity to the effect of solar radiation,
decrease rapidly with distance.

The bizarre behaviour has also eliminated the possibility that the two
probes are being affected by the gravitational pull of unknown planets
beyond the solar system.

Assertions by some scientists that the force is due to a quirk in the
Pioneer probes have also been discounted by the discovery that the
effect seems to be affecting Galileo and Ulysses, two other space
probes still in the solar system. Data from these two probes suggests
the force is of the same strength as that found for the Pioneers.

Dr Duncan Steel, a space scientist at Salford University, says even
such a weak force could have huge effects on a cosmic scale. "It might
alter the number of comets that come towards us over millions of years,
which would have consequences for life on Earth. It also raises the
question of whether we know enough about the law of gravity."

Until 1988, Pioneer 10 was the most remote object made by man - a
distinction now held by Voyager 1. Should Pioneer 10 make contact with
alien life, it carries a gold-plated aluminium plaque on which the
figures of a man and woman are shown to scale, along with a map showing
its origin that Nasa calls "the cosmic equivalent of a message in a
bottle".


Could it be fluid dynamic drag, due to traveling through the miniscule
solar atmosphere way out there? There is, after all, some interstellar
gas there.


Kind of hard to imagine them missing something like that, but it might
be that the solar atmosphere is twice as dense as was throught at that
range. You know: two hydrogen atoms per cubic meter instead of one.
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