We choose....

"You might be surprised to know that a spot on the surface of the
Earth is moving at 1675 km/h or 465 meters/second. That's 1,040 miles/
hour. Just think, for every second, you're moving almost half a
kilometer through space, and you don't even feel it.

Want to do the calculation for yourself? The circumference of the
Earth at the equator is 40,075 km. And the length of time the Earth
takes to complete one full turn on its axis is 23.93 hours. So
40,075/23.93 = 1,675 km."

http://www.universetoday.com/guide-t...-earth-rotate/

In order to satisfy the planetary dimension of the Equatorial
circumference,the speed must be 1670 km per hour -

Earth's Equatorial circumference = 40,075 km

40,075 km/360 degrees = 111.32 km per degree

15 degrees = 1670 km

A value of 1675 km per 15 degrees would amount to an Equatorial
circumference of 40200 km !!!.


This is not an attempt to make people feel bad but the beginning of
something better.There is a website which has the audio transmissions
of the spaceflight and it does people the world of good to hear the
excitement and hope as they make for the moon and landing on it.In
some ways,I have tried to restore the astronomical voices of the
past,even if I have failed or those voices are drowned out ,they are
always there in their writings with their discoveries just as exciting
and profound as humanity's technological achievement of the moon
landing.

http://wechoosethemoon.org/

Now please,for the love of God and humanity,work towards restoring a
magnificent human activity that was astronomy and teach children what
is right and enjoyable and especially the basic planetary facts.

On Jul 18, 1:01*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
"You might be surprised to know that a spot on the surface of the
Earth is moving at 1675 km/h or 465 meters/second. That's 1,040 miles/
hour. Just think, for every second, you're moving almost half a
kilometer through space, and you don't even feel it.

* *People feel accelerations, not linear motion.


"You might be surprised to know that a spot on the surface of the
Earth is moving at 1675 km/h or 465 meters/second. That's 1,040 miles/
hour. Just think, for every second, you're moving almost half a
kilometer through space, and you don't even feel it. "

http://www.universetoday.com/guide-t...-earth-rotate/

It gives the Equatorial speed as 1675 km per hour which amounts to the
wrong value for the Equatorial circumference by trying to satisfy the
'sidereal time' value.You were the one screaming for rotation through
360 degrees in 'sidereal time' so do the math - if you,as an
astrologer,believe the Earth rotates in 1675 km per hour, then the
rotation is 40,200 km in 24 hours and I assure you that the Equatorial
circumference is 40,075 km.

Like the moon hoaxer you will just move on and try something
else,there is no human goodness to it,just miserable people who takes
satisfaction from doing something wrong without objection long after
the mistake is known.The voices of Copernicus,Kepler and even Galileo
have been obscured along with the vast histories which support the
reasoning behind the 24 hour timekeeping average and the longitude
problem along with the great insights based on planetary dynamics
which begin with daily rotation through 360 degrees in 24 hours.

As you ,more than most, have insisted that the Earth turns once in 23
hours 56 minutes 04 seconds,give me the distances it rotates at the
Equator for 15 degrees of rotation and and any value further North or
South in order to explain the cause and effect of latitudinal twilight
variations between a rapid equatorial transition and slower transition
corresponding to slower rotational speeds.

On Jul 18, 1:45*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
On Jul 18, 1:01 pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
* *People feel accelerations, not linear motion.

* *Hidden in the law of inertia is the fact that all motion
* *is relative. Whether a body is in motion or at rest
* *depends strictly on the point of view of the observer.

"You might be surprised to know that a spot on the surface of the
Earth is moving at 1675 km/h or 465 meters/second. That's 1,040 miles/
hour. Just think, for every second, you're moving almost half a
kilometer through space, and you don't even feel it. "

* *Now you know why!

"You might be surprised to know that a spot on the surface of the
Earth is moving at 1675 km/h or 465 meters/second. That's 1,040
miles/
hour. Just think, for every second, you're moving almost half a
kilometer through space, and you don't even feel it.

Want to do the calculation for yourself? The circumference of the
Earth at the equator is 40,075 km. And the length of time the Earth
takes to complete one full turn on its axis is 23.93 hours. So
40,075/23.93 = 1,675 km."

http://www.universetoday.com/guide-t...-earth-rotate/

That Nasa website implores you to do the calculation,well do it -

40,075 km for the 360 degree Equatorial circumference making 1 degree
equivalent to 111.32 km -

http://www.ncgia.ucsb.edu/education/...s/table02.html

15 degrees of rotation equates to 1669.8 km therefore the Earth
rotates 24075 km through 360 degrees

As the Earth turns 4 minutes for each degree of longitude,it will turn
through 40,075 miles every 24 hours or 1669.8 miles per hour at the
Equator and to believe otherwise far surpasses the mentality of a
moon hoaxer in its destructiveness of a human achievement.

The idea that if you time the return of a star in 23 hours 56 minutes
04 seconds it will determine constant rotation through 360 degrees
you forget the distances and different rotational speeds which
determine all the other planetary dimensions and characteristics.

When a person of goodness and honesty realises that variations in
transition of daylight to darkness are conditioned by latitudinal
speeds with the most rapid transition at the Equator,they can work
towards undoing a human tragedy using a simple and effective set of
values which link planetary dimensions with rotational
characteristics.

As for you,tell me all about how you link rotation to the return of a
star and I will show you the horror which sent men looking for
arguments for planetary dynamics -

"And wherever anyone would be, he would believe himself to be at the
center.Therefore, merge these different imaginative pictures so that
the center is the zenith and vice versa. Thereupon you will see--
through the intellect..that the world and its motion and shape cannot
be apprehended. For [the world] will appear as a wheel in a wheel and
a sphere in a sphere-- having its center and circumference
nowhere. . . " Nicolas of Cusa

You see,it was perfectly fine to go along with the 'sidereal time'
value for rotation through 360 degrees as long as the mistake was not
spotted but now that you see the technical details due to cause and
effect why it is a mistake and that cannot express planetary
dynamics,I leave you decide your own fate - call it a brief amnesty
applied to all of you.

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 04:51:57 -0700 (PDT), oriel36
wrote:

"You might be surprised to know that a spot on the surface of the
Earth is moving at 1675 km/h or 465 meters/second. That's 1,040 miles/
hour. Just think, for every second, you're moving almost half a
kilometer through space, and you don't even feel it.

You should be careful how you define "moving". That's just the surface
velocity at the equator, as a result of Earth's rotation. Every point on
the surface is traveling more than 64 times faster than that in our
journey around the Sun- and you don't feel that, either.

You can work it out for other motions as well- that of the Solar System
in our galaxy, our galaxy's motion, etc. It's all about frames of
reference.
_________________________________________________

Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com

On Jul 18, 5:28*pm, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 04:51:57 -0700 (PDT), oriel36

wrote:
"You might be surprised to know that a spot on the surface of the
Earth is moving at 1675 km/h or 465 meters/second. That's 1,040 miles/
hour. Just think, for every second, you're moving almost half a
kilometer through space, and you don't even feel it.

You should be careful how you define "moving". That's just the surface
velocity at the equator, as a result of Earth's rotation. Every point on
the surface is traveling more than 64 times faster than that in our
journey around the Sun- and you don't feel that, either.


I tell you what I told Sam,miserable creatures will do everything to
detract from the proof of rotation through 360 degrees in 24 hours or
rather,the Equatorial speed is 111.32 km every 4 minutes and 40.075 km
every 24 hours -

http://www.ncgia.ucsb.edu/education/...s/table02.html

If you need help with the twilight effect then let me know ,where
there is a rapid transition from daylight into darkness at the
Equator, as the Earth turns 1669.8 km per hour there , while it is 837
km per hour at 60 degrees latitude there is a slower twilight.








You can work it out for other motions as well- that of the Solar System
in our galaxy, our galaxy's motion, etc. It's all about frames of
reference.
_________________________________________________

Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatoryhttp://www.cloudbait.com

Do you wish me to explain to you why

wrote:
"You might be surprised to know that a spot on the surface of the
Earth is moving at 1675 km/h or 465 meters/second. That's 1,040 miles/
hour. Just think, for every second, you're moving almost half a
kilometer through space, and you don't even feel it.

Did he just learn that!?

Chris L Peterson replied:
You should be careful how you define "moving". That's just the surface
velocity at the equator, as a result of Earth's rotation. Every point on
the surface is traveling more than 64 times faster than that in our
journey around the Sun- and you don't feel that, either.

You can work it out for other motions as well- that of the Solar System
in our galaxy, our galaxy's motion, etc. It's all about frames of
reference.

That explains why the more simple-minded among us try to limit
ourselves to local frames of reference in every-day life. The air is
moving from west to east at about 8-10 kts relative to the surface of
the Earth here, and the weather is very clement, relatively speaking.
I've been moving around the garden (relative to the garden itself,
which is fixed on the Earth's surface) digging a few weeds, trimming a
few rosebushes. It's bad enough that weeds are quantum thingies that
pop into existence when you look at the garden and cause some silly
wave function to collapse right there, when it might have collapsed in
some other poor devil's garden across the Universe if only he had
looked first. Makes me wonder if he is purposely not looking at his
garden just to spite me. If I had to chase after the weeds while
compensating for planetary, Solar System, and galactic motion, not to
mention the acceleration of the rate of expansion of the Universe, I'd
just let them take over. I think I'll take a nap now, lest the clouds
disappear tonight and pop up over that other poor devil's observatory.

Davoud

--
usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

On Jul 18, 7:07*pm, Davoud wrote:
wrote:
"You might be surprised to know that a spot on the surface of the
Earth is moving at 1675 km/h or 465 meters/second. That's 1,040 miles/
hour. Just think, for every second, you're moving almost half a
kilometer through space, and you don't even feel it.

Did he just learn that!?

Chris L Peterson replied:

You should be careful how you define "moving". That's just the surface
velocity at the equator, as a result of Earth's rotation. Every point on
the surface is traveling more than 64 times faster than that in our
journey around the Sun- and you don't feel that, either.

You can work it out for other motions as well- that of the Solar System
in our galaxy, our galaxy's motion, etc. It's all about frames of
reference.

That explains why the more simple-minded among us try to limit
ourselves to local frames of reference in every-day life. The air is
moving from west to east at about 8-10 kts relative to the surface of
the Earth here, and the weather is very clement, relatively speaking.
I've been moving around the garden (relative to the garden itself,
which is fixed on the Earth's surface) digging a few weeds, trimming a
few rosebushes. It's bad enough that weeds are quantum thingies that
pop into existence when you look at the garden and cause some silly
wave function to collapse right there, when it might have collapsed in
some other poor devil's garden across the Universe if only he had
looked first. Makes me wonder if he is purposely not looking at his
garden just to spite me. If I had to chase after the weeds while
compensating for planetary, Solar System, and galactic motion, not to
mention the acceleration of the rate of expansion of the Universe, I'd
just let them take over. I think I'll take a nap now, lest the clouds
disappear tonight and pop up over that other poor devil's observatory.

Davoud

--
usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

He is quoting from a Nasa website -

"You might be surprised to know that a spot on the surface of the
Earth is moving at 1675 km/h or 465 meters/second. That's 1,040 miles/
hour. Just think, for every second, you're moving almost half a
kilometer through space, and you don't even feel it.
Want to do the calculation for yourself? The circumference of the
Earth at the equator is 40,075 km. And the length of time the Earth
takes to complete one full turn on its axis is 23.93 hours. So
40,075/23.93 = 1,675 km."

Do the math - Equatorial circumference is 40,075 km therefore 1
degree is 111.32 km and 15 degrees is 1669.8 km.As the Earth rotates
through 15 degrees and 1669.8 km,it will rotate 40,075 km through 360
degrees.

The 'sidereal time' guys have the Earth rotate 1675 km for 15 degrees
or 40,200 km for 360 degrees so what you are going to do with the
excess 125 km geography at the Equator is anyone's guess.

This has descended to a level I had not intended so instead of
furthering the accomplishment which landed men on the moon,we have
descended to a race cowering from global warming,flu,cosmic rays and
what have you

On Jul 18, 9:45*am, oriel36 wrote:

I tell you what I told Sam,miserable creatures will do everything to
detract from the proof of rotation through 360 degrees in 24 hours or
rather,the Equatorial speed is 111.32 km every 4 minutes and 40.075 km
every 24 hours -

http://www.ncgia.ucsb.edu/education/...ts/u014/tables...


You still don't get it. No one is arguing the fact that, with respect
to the sun, your 360-degree per 24-hour claim is true. But with
respect to the fixed stars, it simply isn't true, and any idiot with a
stop-watch can show this, over and over again, night after night.
There are no miserable creatures trying to invert these facts, they
coexist without conflict. You are tilting at windmills. The with-
respect-to-the-fixed-stars scenario is viewed from a different frame
of reference. The Earth just does what it does in its travels around
the sun, and all we can do is observe the results and generate a model
to explain it all. After tweaking the model for many centuries we
pretty much know what is happening, accurate to many places to the
right of the decimal point.

If you need help with the *twilight effect *then let me know ,where
there is a rapid transition from daylight into darkness at the
Equator, as the Earth turns 1669.8 km per hour there , while it is 837
km per hour at 60 degrees latitude there is a slower twilight.

In another thread I referenced everything you needed to review in
order to understand that different surface velocities at different
latitudes supplied only a part of your 'twilight effect'. We all know
that you are essentially unteachable, and that you get some small
factoid stuck in your unremarkable brain and then run rampant with it,
totally ignoring and otherwise disregarding all other evidence that
might be presented here by intelligent and able participants.

Once again, go here;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight

.... and scroll down to LENGTH, where you will find this;

"... This (variation in the duration of twilight) is because at low
latitudes the sun's apparent movement is perpendicular to the
observer's horizon, IN ADDITION TO THE FACT that the rotational speed
of a specific location is highest at the Equator and slower as
latitude increases. Thus, a location on the equator will pass through
the various twilight zones directly and quickly. As one gets closer
to
the Arctic and Antarctic circles, the sun's surface moves toward the
observer's horizon from a lower angle and at a slower rate. The
observer's earthly location will pass through the various twilight
zones less directly, taking more time."

Can you tell me why you might disagree with this? Do you think that
maybe you can (for once) finally integrate a couple of other processes
into your over-simplistic view of 'the way things really are'? You
always try to make things too simple, and that just doesn't always
work.

“Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn.”
- Benjamin Franklin

\Paul A

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:07:42 -0400, Davoud wrote:

That explains why the more simple-minded among us try to limit
ourselves to local frames of reference in every-day life...

What, you don't have a watch with 85 hands, to keep you up on all these
various frames? I'll bet there's an iPhone app you can get that will get
you past this shortage of information. I know I'd be lost without
continuous knowledge of our location with respect to the galactic plane!
_________________________________________________

Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com

On Jul 18, 11:20*am, oriel36 wrote:

Do the math - *Equatorial circumference is 40,075 km therefore 1
degree is 111.32 km and 15 degrees is 1669.8 km.As the Earth rotates
through 15 degrees and 1669.8 km,it will rotate 40,075 km through 360
degrees.

True enough, with respect to the sun. Hold this thought.

The 'sidereal time' guys have the Earth rotate 1675 km for 15 degrees

This is not true, we don't do that, because our frame of reference
here is the fixed stars, and the 15 degrees there, more accurately
called 15 degrees of Right Ascension, takes less than an hour to
transverse, due to the Earth's own motion along its orbit. Relative to
the sun, 15 degrees on the surface of the Earth = 1 hour on our Earth-
time clock, no worries; relative to the stars, 15 degrees of Right
Ascension is a little less than an hour, and you can measure this
yourself, no need to take my word for it. Because of Earth's motion
along its orbit, 24 hours of Right Ascension is transversed in
23:56:04 on that same earth-time clock. Of course, it would be 24
hours on a sidereal clock. So what? The main point here is that there
is NO CONFLICT between solar and sidereal time, no matter how badly
this might hurt your argument. As always, FRAMES OF REFERENCE!!!!

or 40,200 km for 360 degrees

This not true, because we are NOT multiplying that 1675 km for 15
degrees by 24 hours, we are multiplying it by 23:56:04, so we get the
same circumference, 40,075. It is just not possible to fool Mother
Nature, and no one here is trying to do so.

so what you are going to do with the
excess 125 km geography at the Equator is anyone's guess.

Answered above, there is no disagreement here, we are all on the same
page. If you have to guess, well, you just don't understand all of the
facts as well as you should. Back to the textbooks for you.

"Sit down before fact as a little child, be prepared to give up every
conceived notion, follow humbly wherever and whatever abysses nature
leads, or you will learn nothing."
~Thomas Huxley

\Paul A