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Last Rocket Test at Santa Susana
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"http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/12776301.htm" there is only one more rocket engine test planned at Pratt & Whitney (Rocketdyne)'s Santa Susana Field Laboratory. It is a test of an RS-27 Delta II engine. (A wildfire interrupted the planned test schedule this week.) Question: Is this the last RS-27 engine, or are such tests moving to Edwards (or somewhere else)? - Ed Kyle |
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Ed Kyle wrote: According to: "http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/12776301.htm" there is only one more rocket engine test planned at Pratt & Whitney (Rocketdyne)'s Santa Susana Field Laboratory. It is a test of an RS-27 Delta II engine. (A wildfire interrupted the planned test schedule this week.) Question: Is this the last RS-27 engine, or are such tests moving to Edwards (or somewhere else)? - Ed Kyle O.K. Here's the deal. Boeing sold Rocketdyne, but it didn't sell Santa Susana to UTC Pratt & Whitney. The rocket test stands at Santa Susana are being phased out. Pratt & Whitney will test RS-27A engines somewhere else. - Ed Kyle |
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In article . com,
Ed Kyle wrote: O.K. Here's the deal. Boeing sold Rocketdyne, but it didn't sell Santa Susana to UTC Pratt & Whitney. The rocket test stands at Santa Susana are being phased out. Pratt & Whitney will test RS-27A engines somewhere else. Part of the reason for this, if I recall correctly, is that Santa Susana is no longer a good place to test engines. When it got started, it was well out in the boondocks, but now the area is increasingly urbanized, and frequent loud noises and occasional releases of toxic chemicals are viewed with growing disfavor. -- spsystems.net is temporarily off the air; | Henry Spencer mail to henry at zoo.utoronto.ca instead. | |
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Henry Spencer wrote: In article . com, Ed Kyle wrote: O.K. Here's the deal. Boeing sold Rocketdyne, but it didn't sell Santa Susana to UTC Pratt & Whitney. The rocket test stands at Santa Susana are being phased out. Pratt & Whitney will test RS-27A engines somewhere else. Part of the reason for this, if I recall correctly, is that Santa Susana is no longer a good place to test engines. When it got started, it was well out in the boondocks, but now the area is increasingly urbanized, and frequent loud noises and occasional releases of toxic chemicals are viewed with growing disfavor. That's correct. Santa Susana was in the boonies when it was first established, but now something like 1/2 million people live around it, within a few miles distance. (I've never understood this phenomena, where people move near an airport or factory or test site or hog farm and then start complaining about the noise/smell/pollution etc.). There was an experimental reactor partial meltdown at Santa Susana in 1959. There has also been documented groundwater and soil contamintaion (both chemical and radioactive) both on and off site, so Boeing has been sued in recent years by just about every person living near the place who happened to developed cancer. Boeing appears to be settling most of these claims. BTW, the hottest topic now in this legal area seems to be perchlorate contamination. (ATK stockholders take note.) - Ed Kyle |
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"Ed Kyle" wrote:
Santa Susana was in the boonies when it was first established, but now something like 1/2 million people live around it, within a few miles distance. (I've never understood this phenomena, where people move near an airport or factory or test site or hog farm and then start complaining about the noise/smell/pollution etc.) In connection with Katrina, I and many other netizens recalled John McPhee's _The Control of Nature_, with its account of the Old River Control project that tries to keep the Mississippi from changing its main outlet to the Gulf as it has many times in the last 10,000 years. It also has a section on rock- and mudslides in the San Gabriel mountains. Untuil the 1950s they'd spill out into orange groves with little harm, but as the $100,000 and then $1,000,000 homes moved up into the canyons, it became a Problem (and generated an expensive program to haul away loose material upslope, build concrete "snow fences" to stop house-sized boulders, etc.). After giving you the background of destructive slides every few years, or whenever wildfires have burned off the brush, McPhee devotes two deadpan pages to quotations from real-estate agents active in the area: 'I never heard of any problem with slides'... 'Used to be a problem, but it's totally under control'... 'It's a problem in some places, but not in the neighborhoods I handle,' etc, etc. The cumulative effect is side-splitting. |
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On 3 Oct 2005 10:01:10 -0700, in a place far, far away, "Ed Kyle"
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: I've never understood this phenomena, where people move near an airport or factory or test site or hog farm and then start complaining about the noise/smell/pollution etc.). What's not to understand? People move there because the housing is cheap (because it's near an airport, or factory or test site or hog farm). Then once they have a stake in the place, they attempt to increase the value of their property by getting rid of said nuisance. It's perfectly rational behavior. What's not is the behavior of those who let them get away with it. |
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 19:44:07 GMT, in a place far, far away, Monte
Davis made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: After giving you the background of destructive slides every few years, or whenever wildfires have burned off the brush, McPhee devotes two deadpan pages to quotations from real-estate agents active in the area: 'I never heard of any problem with slides'... 'Used to be a problem, but it's totally under control'... 'It's a problem in some places, but not in the neighborhoods I handle,' etc, etc. The cumulative effect is side-splitting. I heard the same thing from realtors about hurricanes last year (before Frances and Jeanne) when we were house hunting in southeast Florida... Of course, they probably believed it (though I didnt), since things had been pretty quiet here (other than Andrew) for most people's living memory. |
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 19:51:44 GMT, in a place far, far away, Monte
Davis made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: (Rand Simberg) wrote: It's perfectly rational behavior. What's not is the behavior of those who let them get away with it. I have a house in the Maine woods, seven miles from the nearest landline phone and sixteen miles from the nearest fire hydrant. It's cool even on hot summer days, with the tall birches and pines all around shading the roof. It's been 28 years since the last time I had to lug an Indian water-spray tank and a cough brush axe through those cough woods. I don't suppose you'd be interested in subsidizing my insurance, would you? I probably already am, whether I'm interested or not. But I might be happy to pitch in a little, as long as it's not for fire insurance. Or maybe I can pay your fire, and you can pay my flood and wind... |
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