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Hey lets outsource satellite launches too.
On Oct 21, 12:34*pm, Doug Freyburger wrote:
jacob navia wrote: Arianespace did not outsource the rockets... They are the outsource when any US satelite is launched on them. They built rockets. What Dan is complaining about is that the U.S. space industry is getting outsourced to ****ries with lower wages to bypass the high wages of american engineers. Obviously when the standard of living of U.S. citizens will be lower than in India, they will come back. Isn't "the market" GREAT? I remember Japanese products being synonymous with junk and Japanese labor being cheap. *I saw that change across my career. *Competing with cheap overseas labor has been a part of my life as long as I have had a job. *For that matter the American colonies did the exact same thing to the Brits centuries ago. The difference now is my grandchildren will probably see a world with no more places to outsource to. *It's remotely possible I'll be alive when the market saturates the world labor pool and there are no more places to go for cheap labor. *The rate of change toward that is much higher than when it was only Japan and Taiwan and Singapore. Wages are not the driving factor, its efficiency. Henry Ford when he opened his assembly line in Detroit in 1908 mentioned this. When Ford raised wages from the prevailing $1 per day to $5 per day he called the $4 premium efficiency wages earned because of the way he had organized work. His creation of a method to make workers more productive so they could earn more money while he earned more money was the key to a productive market. He wrote many books about this, which became known as the Ford Way. Carnegie, Edison, Firestone and other creative types embraced this philosophy. Those who inherited their wealth did not. In the wake of choosing to specialize in retail and banking and export where possible our manufacturing sector we as a nation have forgotten this. |
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Hey lets outsource satellite launches too.
On Oct 22, 4:32*am, William Mook wrote:
On Oct 21, 12:34*pm, Doug Freyburger wrote: jacob navia wrote: Arianespace did not outsource the rockets... They are the outsource when any US satelite is launched on them. They built rockets. What Dan is complaining about is that the U.S. space industry is getting outsourced to ****ries with lower wages to bypass the high wages of american engineers. Obviously when the standard of living of U.S. citizens will be lower than in India, they will come back. Isn't "the market" GREAT? I remember Japanese products being synonymous with junk and Japanese labor being cheap. *I saw that change across my career. *Competing with cheap overseas labor has been a part of my life as long as I have had a job. *For that matter the American colonies did the exact same thing to the Brits centuries ago. The difference now is my grandchildren will probably see a world with no more places to outsource to. *It's remotely possible I'll be alive when the market saturates the world labor pool and there are no more places to go for cheap labor. *The rate of change toward that is much higher than when it was only Japan and Taiwan and Singapore. Wages are not the driving factor, its efficiency. * Henry Ford when he opened his assembly line in Detroit in 1908 mentioned this. *When Ford raised wages from the prevailing $1 per day to $5 per day he called the $4 premium efficiency wages earned because of the way he had organized work. *His creation of a method to make workers more productive so they could earn more money *while he earned more money was the key to a productive market. *He wrote many books about this, which became known as the Ford Way. Carnegie, Edison, Firestone and other creative types embraced this philosophy. Those who inherited their wealth did not. In the wake of choosing to specialize in retail and banking and export where possible our manufacturing sector we as a nation have forgotten this. We as a nation are not allowed to think for ourselves, as well as our media (including textbooks) is owned and/or controlled by those that want to keep it that way. Not all of us are as independently wealthy and Einstein smart as yourself, and chances are the next ten generations will not catch up. So far, your leadership has failed us. ~ BG |
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Hey lets outsource satellite launches too.
On Oct 22, 7:28*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Oct 22, 4:32*am, William Mook wrote: On Oct 21, 12:34*pm, Doug Freyburger wrote: jacob navia wrote: Arianespace did not outsource the rockets... They are the outsource when any US satelite is launched on them. They built rockets. What Dan is complaining about is that the U.S. space industry is getting outsourced to ****ries with lower wages to bypass the high wages of american engineers. Obviously when the standard of living of U.S. citizens will be lower than in India, they will come back. Isn't "the market" GREAT? I remember Japanese products being synonymous with junk and Japanese labor being cheap. *I saw that change across my career. *Competing with cheap overseas labor has been a part of my life as long as I have had a job. *For that matter the American colonies did the exact same thing to the Brits centuries ago. The difference now is my grandchildren will probably see a world with no more places to outsource to. *It's remotely possible I'll be alive when the market saturates the world labor pool and there are no more places to go for cheap labor. *The rate of change toward that is much higher than when it was only Japan and Taiwan and Singapore. Wages are not the driving factor, its efficiency. * Henry Ford when he opened his assembly line in Detroit in 1908 mentioned this. *When Ford raised wages from the prevailing $1 per day to $5 per day he called the $4 premium efficiency wages earned because of the way he had organized work. *His creation of a method to make workers more productive so they could earn more money *while he earned more money was the key to a productive market. *He wrote many books about this, which became known as the Ford Way. Carnegie, Edison, Firestone and other creative types embraced this philosophy. Those who inherited their wealth did not. In the wake of choosing to specialize in retail and banking and export where possible our manufacturing sector we as a nation have forgotten this. We as a nation are not allowed to think for ourselves, as well as our media (including textbooks) is owned and/or controlled by those that want to keep it that way. *Not all of us are as independently wealthy and Einstein smart as yourself, and chances are the next ten generations will not catch up. *So far, your leadership has failed us. *~ BG Read DRAMA OF THE GIFTED CHILD by Alice Miller and understand that blaming others is the central mechanism by which we lose power to others. Don't do it. |
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