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Old August 28th 18, 09:06 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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1. The cancellation of the Super-Conducting Supercollider to transfer funds to the building of the ISS. Many scientists were outraged at the time and still are. It killed American's lead in particle physics.
2. The beheading of Anton Lavoisier, one of the brightest scientists of all time, by the left-wing mob in the French Revolution.
3. The death of scientist Henry Moseley at age 27, British scientist, in WW1.

I'm sure there are others.
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3. The death of scientist Henry Moseley at age 27, British scientist, in WW1.

I'm sure there are others.


1. The cancellation of the Super-Conducting Supercollider to transfer funds to the building of the ISS. Many scientists were outraged at the time and still are. It killed American's lead in particle physics.


As long as there is a super collider, US dominance really does not make much a difference.

2. The beheading of Anton Lavoisier, one of the brightest scientists of all time, by the left-wing mob in the French Revolution.


Your take is certainly an all time tragedy in Political Sceince: Anti-monarchal 18th Century thought can be compared to neither current day right and left wing thought.
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Old August 28th 18, 02:18 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On 28/08/2018 09:06, RichA wrote:

2. The beheading of Anton Lavoisier, one of the brightest scientists
of all time, by the left-wing mob in the French Revolution.


They were an anti-monarchist mob and were after Lavoisier because of his
involvement outside science with the much hated tax collectors of the
ferme-general in which he played a large part. He was killed because
people hated the tax collectors and their brutal henchmen. Back then it
was run more like a protection racket than a modern taxation system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoin...e_and_marriage

He perfected a means of adulterating tobacco to make it go further too.
His gunpowder commission spin off ultimately helped to form Du Pont.

He had largely stopped doing science by the time he was beheaded. It was
still a loss of a brilliant mind.

A more regrettable French academic loss was that of Evariste Galois in a
duel aged just twenty. He managed so many mathematical breakthroughs in
his short life that had he lived longer he would be more famous.

PS. The French Republic and the USA both have a Statue of Liberty.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/...nt-de-grenelle

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They were an anti-monarchist mob and were after Lavoisier because of his
involvement outside science with the much hated tax collectors of the
ferme-general in which he played a large part. He was killed because
people hated the tax collectors and their brutal henchmen. Back then it
was run more like a protection racket than a modern taxation system.


Exactly. Many of the rallying points of the French Revolution are consistent with what remains of 20th and 21st Century conservative US theory.

Current US conservative hostility toward the French Revolution and other milepoints in pre-industrial history have more to do with fanatical prejudice against the disenfranchised which has become the all encompassing goal of US conservatives.
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The loss of individuals is unfortunate and a pity rather than a tragedy, the loss of an idea and an inviolate fact is a tragedy because everyone experiences the loss.

Here are three astronomical tragedies bound in hopeless notions -

"For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct, sometimes
stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are
always seen direct,..." Newton


" It is a fact not generally known that,owing to the difference between solar and sidereal time,the Earth rotates upon its axis once more often than there are days in the year" NASA /Harvard

"The Moon does spin on its axis, completing a rotation once every 27.3 days; the confusion is caused because it also takes the same period to orbit the Earth, so that it keeps the same side facing us." NASA


Between these three tragedies of human design, we live in the bleakest era of astronomy since the beginning of human involvement despite technological advancements.


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RichA wrote:
1. The cancellation of the Super-Conducting Supercollider to transfer
funds to the building of the ISS. Many scientists were outraged at the
time and still are. It killed American's lead in particle physics.
2. The beheading of Anton Lavoisier, one of the brightest scientists of
all time, by the left-wing mob in the French Revolution.
3. The death of scientist Henry Moseley at age 27, British scientist, in WW1.

I'm sure there are others.


I agree with you about Lavoisier and Moseley but we have CERN.

The lack of contact between Darwin and Mendel was definitely a tragedy.
Darwin lacked a good theory for the mechanism of heredity. Mendel had that.
Neo Darwinian theory could have emerged a century earlier.


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On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 10:32:16 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
RichA wrote:
1. The cancellation of the Super-Conducting Supercollider to transfer
funds to the building of the ISS. Many scientists were outraged at the
time and still are. It killed American's lead in particle physics.
2. The beheading of Anton Lavoisier, one of the brightest scientists of
all time, by the left-wing mob in the French Revolution.
3. The death of scientist Henry Moseley at age 27, British scientist, in WW1.

I'm sure there are others.


I agree with you about Lavoisier and Moseley but we have CERN.

The lack of contact between Darwin and Mendel was definitely a tragedy.
Darwin lacked a good theory for the mechanism of heredity. Mendel had that.

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On Tuesday, 28 August 2018 17:32:16 UTC-4, Mike Collins wrote:
RichA wrote:
1. The cancellation of the Super-Conducting Supercollider to transfer
funds to the building of the ISS. Many scientists were outraged at the
time and still are. It killed American's lead in particle physics.
2. The beheading of Anton Lavoisier, one of the brightest scientists of
all time, by the left-wing mob in the French Revolution.
3. The death of scientist Henry Moseley at age 27, British scientist, in WW1.

I'm sure there are others.


I agree with you about Lavoisier and Moseley but we have CERN.

The lack of contact between Darwin and Mendel was definitely a tragedy.
Darwin lacked a good theory for the mechanism of heredity. Mendel had that.
Neo Darwinian theory could have emerged a century earlier.


CERN is nothing compared to what the SSC could have been.
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Old August 29th 18, 02:18 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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But there isn't a supercollider, compared to the SSC. It would have
been much more powerful than CERN's LHC.


Would - Coulda - Shoulda. It's easy to sight what might happen. Without the proof the proposed SSC could have been a bust as well.

The SSC was likely doomed from the start. There was no good reason - other than GOP preference for Texas - to create the SSC completely from scratch. Had Congress stuck with the earlier proposals to expand the existing accelerator in Illinois the savings may have been enough to win approval.
 




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