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Old August 16th 08, 05:50 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,sci.math,sci.space.policy,rec.aviation.military
Ian Parker
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What is a Zombie world? It is a world in which experimental evidence
counts for nothing and where everyone is programmed to always say
"Jawohl" OR "Da moi lidera".

DA MOI LIDERA

http://www.boop.org/jan/justso/elephant.htm Acquired characteristics
according to Kipling. Was the child a cow or a bull? Kipling does not
say.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko Lysenko
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

It isn't just me that links Lysenko to Deutsche Physik. Wikipaedia
does just the same thing.

JAWOHL MEIN FÜHRER

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/uf...foaleman_6.htm
http://www.eyepod.org/Nazi-Disc-Photos.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_UFOs

If Zundel’s own account is to be believed – and I think it probably is – then his fictions about Nazi UFOs have funded the

distribution of Holocaust revisionist material around a substantial
part of the world. So, at the end of the day, there’s more
at stake here than just tall tales and technological fantasies; there
would appear to be a good ethical argument to stop
repeating such fictions and to put the ‘Nazi UFO’ myths to rest once
and for all.

I think there is indeed more at stake, more at stake than just
Relativity. There are also Nazi sympathisers in the various
intelligence services.

http://www.stevequayle.com/High.Jump...Andromeda.html

This is real "Betrug". The touch of authenticity is given to what is
in essence FRAUD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vril

Vril was supposed to have been the Atlantean language. It consisted of
a series of clicks.

CIA

They were taken in by all this crap, hook, line and sinker. They
created their own version of the Zombie world. McCarthy even devised a
zombie test.

Truth in the zombie world is simply what is politically correct.


- Ian Parker
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Old August 16th 08, 10:07 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,sci.math,sci.space.policy,rec.aviation.military
BradGuth
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Our Zionist/Nazi DARPA is still n charge of most everything that
matters. Truth has become at best secondary.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth


Ian Parker wrote:
What is a Zombie world? It is a world in which experimental evidence
counts for nothing and where everyone is programmed to always say
"Jawohl" OR "Da moi lidera".

DA MOI LIDERA

http://www.boop.org/jan/justso/elephant.htm Acquired characteristics
according to Kipling. Was the child a cow or a bull? Kipling does not
say.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko Lysenko
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

It isn't just me that links Lysenko to Deutsche Physik. Wikipaedia
does just the same thing.

JAWOHL MEIN F�HRER

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/uf...foaleman_6.htm
http://www.eyepod.org/Nazi-Disc-Photos.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_UFOs

If Zundel�s own account is to be believed � and I think it probably is � then his fictions about Nazi UFOs have funded the

distribution of Holocaust revisionist material around a substantial
part of the world. So, at the end of the day, there�s more
at stake here than just tall tales and technological fantasies; there
would appear to be a good ethical argument to stop
repeating such fictions and to put the �Nazi UFO� myths to rest once
and for all.

I think there is indeed more at stake, more at stake than just
Relativity. There are also Nazi sympathisers in the various
intelligence services.

http://www.stevequayle.com/High.Jump...Andromeda.html

This is real "Betrug". The touch of authenticity is given to what is
in essence FRAUD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vril

Vril was supposed to have been the Atlantean language. It consisted of
a series of clicks.

CIA

They were taken in by all this crap, hook, line and sinker. They
created their own version of the Zombie world. McCarthy even devised a
zombie test.

Truth in the zombie world is simply what is politically correct.


- Ian Parker

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Old August 17th 08, 01:07 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,sci.math,sci.space.policy,rec.aviation.military
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Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.

So, what we say or think about reality doesn't impact reality at all.
The only thing impacted by our thoughts and words is us.

To the degree we understand reality and operate in the real world, to
that degree we are effective and obtain those things we want from
reality.

To the degree we do not understand reality and do not operate in the
real world, to that degree we are ineffective and are at risk of not
achieving our goals.

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Old August 17th 08, 01:26 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,sci.math,sci.space.policy,rec.aviation.military
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On Aug 16, 5:07 pm, wrote:
Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.

So, what we say or think about reality doesn't impact reality at all.
The only thing impacted by our thoughts and words is us.

To the degree we understand reality and operate in the real world, to
that degree we are effective and obtain those things we want from
reality.

To the degree we do not understand reality and do not operate in the
real world, to that degree we are ineffective and are at risk of not
achieving our goals.


Without the cold hard truth there is no valid history or progress.
(aka Hitler and GW Bush seem to more than prove this out)

Mainstream lies, distortions and evidence exclusions about physics and
of the mostly public funded science only begets more of the same. You
seem to be at ease with all of it, just the way it is.

”Whoever controls the past, controls the future” / George Orwell

meaning those in control of whatever gets officially recorded as
history or whatever as having been discovered or created are also
establishing and/or reinforcing upon their mainstream holy grail as to
who gets future credit and/or blame, and thus more importantly of who
gets first crack at whatever future credits and that of receiving our
public support, instead of the gauntlet of continual denial, avoidance
and systematic banishment. The very root of this kind of orchestrated
naysay imposed action against outsiders is clearly faith-based and
otherwise cloaked as to suggest that no one public agency, private
group or inside connected individual(s) are ever in charge of anything
that gets overlooked or goes terribly wrong.

If the mainstream status quo on behalf of their public image damage-
control didn’t have fingers, they’d have to point with something else
each time things look bad or turn out poorly. (perhaps its their brown
nose that'll have to due)

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
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Old August 17th 08, 11:22 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,sci.math,sci.space.policy,rec.aviation.military
Ian Parker
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On 17 Aug, 01:07, wrote:
Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.

So, what we say or think about reality doesn't impact reality at all.
The only thing impacted by our thoughts and words is us.

To the degree we understand reality and operate in the real world, to
that degree we are effective and obtain those things we want from
reality.

To the degree we do not understand reality and do not operate in the
real world, to that degree we are ineffective and are at risk of not
achieving our goals.


This is true, but also misleading. In the Physical World you can only
produce an airplane that flies well by understanding the laws of
aerodynamics, by putting your plane in a simulation and running
hydrocodes.

If on the other hand you base your theories on an intersaction between
electromagnetism and gravity and carry a tank of Mercury you might get
something that flies, but not well and by accident.

What you say in untrue in the sense that:-

1) Good ideas need backing, and if money is being spent on daft ideas
there is that much left to go round.

2) It is a truism that no country has ever voted in a Communist
government. The same is true of a Nazi government. Even in Germany
only about a third of the population actually voted for Hitler. In
Pakistan no democratic potitician talks about being a Fascist or
supporting the Taleban. The fact of having Nazis in the intelligence
services is a real threat to everyone.

No one, either in Iraq or the US actually voted for Saddam Hussein. If
you had held a referendum in the US I doubt very much whether SH would
have been put into power. Certainly the Iraqis NEVER voted for him. Mr
Al Maliki (name means "King" in Arabic) may have many faults, but he
is at least a democratic choice.

To have the CIA (or the ISI) being a totally unelected body is
dangerous for the rest of us. Antigravity and the frequency of anti
Relativity postings indicate the views of some of these unelected
officials.

BTW - Could someone explain to me why antigravity is still heavily
classified. It is crap and is known to be crap.

If you want to safeguard yourself against Earth Crossing asteroids you
need an accurate determination of orbit followed by a "nudge" of mm/
sec. General Relativity is therefore of great importance. Of course
the anti Relativists are unconcerned. I recall that when I last posted
on this topic the posting got hijacked by the right wing. I don't
think they care about "reality".


- Ian Parker
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Old August 18th 08, 03:48 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,sci.math,sci.space.policy,rec.aviation.military
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On Aug 17, 6:22 am, Ian Parker wrote:
On 17 Aug, 01:07, wrote:

Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.


So, what we say or think about reality doesn't impact reality at all.
The only thing impacted by our thoughts and words is us.


To the degree we understand reality and operate in the real world, to
that degree we are effective and obtain those things we want from
reality.


To the degree we do not understand reality and do not operate in the
real world, to that degree we are ineffective and are at risk of not
achieving our goals.


This is true, but also misleading. In the Physical World you can only
produce an airplane that flies well by understanding the laws of
aerodynamics, by putting your plane in a simulation and running
hydrocodes.

If on the other hand you base your theories on an intersaction between
electromagnetism and gravity and carry a tank of Mercury you might get
something that flies, but not well and by accident.

What you say in untrue in the sense that:-

1) Good ideas need backing, and if money is being spent on daft ideas
there is that much left to go round.

2) It is a truism that no country has ever voted in a Communist
government. The same is true of a Nazi government. Even in Germany
only about a third of the population actually voted for Hitler. In
Pakistan no democratic potitician talks about being a Fascist or
supporting the Taleban. The fact of having Nazis in the intelligence
services is a real threat to everyone.

No one, either in Iraq or the US actually voted for Saddam Hussein. If
you had held a referendum in the US I doubt very much whether SH would
have been put into power. Certainly the Iraqis NEVER voted for him. Mr
Al Maliki (name means "King" in Arabic) may have many faults, but he
is at least a democratic choice.

To have the CIA (or the ISI) being a totally unelected body is
dangerous for the rest of us. Antigravity and the frequency of anti
Relativity postings indicate the views of some of these unelected
officials.

BTW - Could someone explain to me why antigravity is still heavily
classified. It is crap and is known to be crap.

If you want to safeguard yourself against Earth Crossing asteroids you
need an accurate determination of orbit followed by a "nudge" of mm/
sec. General Relativity is therefore of great importance. Of course
the anti Relativists are unconcerned. I recall that when I last posted
on this topic the posting got hijacked by the right wing. I don't
think they care about "reality".

- Ian Parker


Ian,
I must admit to being totally confused by this thread. Are you
stating that the CIA is behind the delusional postings on relativity
being a fraud? Why would they bother? Did I miss something? Do you
have evidence?

The CIA is subject to oversight. Also, I always felt that one reason
that the NSA hired boy scouts was to keep an eye on CIA. ;-)

The ISI got spanked for their support of the Taliban. I once had a co-
worker who was a retired officer in the Indian AF ask me why the US
supported Pakistan. My reply was "Would you prefer a Pakistan where
the US had no influence?" Who is Pakistan going to turn to? Russia
or China? Ask the Afghanis and Tibetans, respectively, how that worked
out.

Rereading this, one final question. What does any of this have to do
with physics?

--Mike Jr
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Old August 18th 08, 05:00 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,sci.math,sci.space.policy,rec.aviation.military
BradGuth
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On Aug 17, 3:22 am, Ian Parker wrote:
On 17 Aug, 01:07, wrote:

Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.


So, what we say or think about reality doesn't impact reality at all.
The only thing impacted by our thoughts and words is us.


To the degree we understand reality and operate in the real world, to
that degree we are effective and obtain those things we want from
reality.


To the degree we do not understand reality and do not operate in the
real world, to that degree we are ineffective and are at risk of not
achieving our goals.


This is true, but also misleading. In the Physical World you can only
produce an airplane that flies well by understanding the laws of
aerodynamics, by putting your plane in a simulation and running
hydrocodes.

If on the other hand you base your theories on an intersaction between
electromagnetism and gravity and carry a tank of Mercury you might get
something that flies, but not well and by accident.

What you say in untrue in the sense that:-

1) Good ideas need backing, and if money is being spent on daft ideas
there is that much left to go round.


Daft ideas are about the only things getting funded. Especially
funded are those of inert eye-candy and thus faith-based failsafe
sorts of daft ideas.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
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Old August 18th 08, 05:11 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,sci.math,sci.space.policy,rec.aviation.military
BradGuth
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On Aug 17, 7:48 pm, "Mike Jr." wrote:
On Aug 17, 6:22 am, Ian Parker wrote:



On 17 Aug, 01:07, wrote:


Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.


So, what we say or think about reality doesn't impact reality at all.
The only thing impacted by our thoughts and words is us.


To the degree we understand reality and operate in the real world, to
that degree we are effective and obtain those things we want from
reality.


To the degree we do not understand reality and do not operate in the
real world, to that degree we are ineffective and are at risk of not
achieving our goals.


This is true, but also misleading. In the Physical World you can only
produce an airplane that flies well by understanding the laws of
aerodynamics, by putting your plane in a simulation and running
hydrocodes.


If on the other hand you base your theories on an intersaction between
electromagnetism and gravity and carry a tank of Mercury you might get
something that flies, but not well and by accident.


What you say in untrue in the sense that:-


1) Good ideas need backing, and if money is being spent on daft ideas
there is that much left to go round.


2) It is a truism that no country has ever voted in a Communist
government. The same is true of a Nazi government. Even in Germany
only about a third of the population actually voted for Hitler. In
Pakistan no democratic potitician talks about being a Fascist or
supporting the Taleban. The fact of having Nazis in the intelligence
services is a real threat to everyone.


No one, either in Iraq or the US actually voted for Saddam Hussein. If
you had held a referendum in the US I doubt very much whether SH would
have been put into power. Certainly the Iraqis NEVER voted for him. Mr
Al Maliki (name means "King" in Arabic) may have many faults, but he
is at least a democratic choice.


To have the CIA (or the ISI) being a totally unelected body is
dangerous for the rest of us. Antigravity and the frequency of anti
Relativity postings indicate the views of some of these unelected
officials.


BTW - Could someone explain to me why antigravity is still heavily
classified. It is crap and is known to be crap.


If you want to safeguard yourself against Earth Crossing asteroids you
need an accurate determination of orbit followed by a "nudge" of mm/
sec. General Relativity is therefore of great importance. Of course
the anti Relativists are unconcerned. I recall that when I last posted
on this topic the posting got hijacked by the right wing. I don't
think they care about "reality".


- Ian Parker


Ian,
I must admit to being totally confused by this thread. Are you
stating that the CIA is behind the delusional postings on relativity
being a fraud? Why would they bother? Did I miss something? Do you
have evidence?

The CIA is subject to oversight. Also, I always felt that one reason
that the NSA hired boy scouts was to keep an eye on CIA. ;-)

The ISI got spanked for their support of the Taliban. I once had a co-
worker who was a retired officer in the Indian AF ask me why the US
supported Pakistan. My reply was "Would you prefer a Pakistan where
the US had no influence?" Who is Pakistan going to turn to? Russia
or China? Ask the Afghanis and Tibetans, respectively, how that worked
out.

Rereading this, one final question. What does any of this have to do
with physics?

--Mike Jr


MI5/CIA (aka DARPA) does whatever makes them happy campers. There is
no official public oversight of our intellectual and scientific cartel/
cable.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
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Old August 18th 08, 05:58 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,sci.math,sci.space.policy,rec.aviation.military
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On Aug 18, 12:11 am, BradGuth wrote:
On Aug 17, 7:48 pm, "Mike Jr." wrote:



On Aug 17, 6:22 am, Ian Parker wrote:


On 17 Aug, 01:07, wrote:


Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.


So, what we say or think about reality doesn't impact reality at all.
The only thing impacted by our thoughts and words is us.


To the degree we understand reality and operate in the real world, to
that degree we are effective and obtain those things we want from
reality.


To the degree we do not understand reality and do not operate in the
real world, to that degree we are ineffective and are at risk of not
achieving our goals.


This is true, but also misleading. In the Physical World you can only
produce an airplane that flies well by understanding the laws of
aerodynamics, by putting your plane in a simulation and running
hydrocodes.


If on the other hand you base your theories on an intersaction between
electromagnetism and gravity and carry a tank of Mercury you might get
something that flies, but not well and by accident.


What you say in untrue in the sense that:-


1) Good ideas need backing, and if money is being spent on daft ideas
there is that much left to go round.


2) It is a truism that no country has ever voted in a Communist
government. The same is true of a Nazi government. Even in Germany
only about a third of the population actually voted for Hitler. In
Pakistan no democratic potitician talks about being a Fascist or
supporting the Taleban. The fact of having Nazis in the intelligence
services is a real threat to everyone.


No one, either in Iraq or the US actually voted for Saddam Hussein. If
you had held a referendum in the US I doubt very much whether SH would
have been put into power. Certainly the Iraqis NEVER voted for him. Mr
Al Maliki (name means "King" in Arabic) may have many faults, but he
is at least a democratic choice.


To have the CIA (or the ISI) being a totally unelected body is
dangerous for the rest of us. Antigravity and the frequency of anti
Relativity postings indicate the views of some of these unelected
officials.


BTW - Could someone explain to me why antigravity is still heavily
classified. It is crap and is known to be crap.


If you want to safeguard yourself against Earth Crossing asteroids you
need an accurate determination of orbit followed by a "nudge" of mm/
sec. General Relativity is therefore of great importance. Of course
the anti Relativists are unconcerned. I recall that when I last posted
on this topic the posting got hijacked by the right wing. I don't
think they care about "reality".


- Ian Parker


Ian,
I must admit to being totally confused by this thread. Are you
stating that the CIA is behind the delusional postings on relativity
being a fraud? Why would they bother? Did I miss something? Do you
have evidence?


The CIA is subject to oversight. Also, I always felt that one reason
that the NSA hired boy scouts was to keep an eye on CIA. ;-)


The ISI got spanked for their support of the Taliban. I once had a co-
worker who was a retired officer in the Indian AF ask me why the US
supported Pakistan. My reply was "Would you prefer a Pakistan where
the US had no influence?" Who is Pakistan going to turn to? Russia
or China? Ask the Afghanis and Tibetans, respectively, how that worked
out.


Rereading this, one final question. What does any of this have to do
with physics?


--Mike Jr


MI5/CIA (aka DARPA) does whatever makes them happy campers. There is
no official public oversight of our intellectual and scientific cartel/
cable.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth


Brad,
The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency is tiny compared to the
CIA. Both DARPA and the CIA have Congressional oversight. DARPA is
run out of the Pentagon (not CIA) and Congress approves/disapproves
funding for all projects. I assume, not being a UK national, that
Parliament oversees MI5. The Defense Science board reviews and
recommends research directions for the Pentagon. I once knew a member
and he was a straight arrow. Whatever is going on it's probably not
what you think. DARPA's agenda is not controlled by a small cabal but
rather has to try and satisfy the many competing demands from its many
customers.

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA

--Mike Jr
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Old August 18th 08, 08:28 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,sci.math,sci.space.policy,rec.aviation.military
Keith Willshaw[_3_]
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"BradGuth" wrote in message
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The ISI got spanked for their support of the Taliban. I once had a co-
worker who was a retired officer in the Indian AF ask me why the US
supported Pakistan. My reply was "Would you prefer a Pakistan where
the US had no influence?" Who is Pakistan going to turn to? Russia
or China? Ask the Afghanis and Tibetans, respectively, how that worked
out.

Rereading this, one final question. What does any of this have to do
with physics?

--Mike Jr


MI5/CIA (aka DARPA) does whatever makes them happy campers. There is
no official public oversight of our intellectual and scientific cartel/
cable.


There is certainly parliamentary oversight of MI5 . Its carried out by
the The Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC) which was established
under the terms of the Intelligence Services Act 1994 to examine the
expenditure, administration and policy of the Security Services,
which includes MI5 and GCHQ. This committee is made up of senior
MP's drawn from the major political parties, as of the start of this year
the
members were

Margaret Beckett MP (Chair)
Michael Ancram QC DL MP
Alan Beith MP
Ben Chapman MP
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock
George Howarth MP
Michael Mates MP
Richard Ottaway MP
Dari Taylor MP

Keith


 




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