The Phases

On Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51:55 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
Here's an early Christmas present for you.

Retrogrades of Venus take up its full motion from quadrature to quadrature when traveling in front of the Sun while it moves in the opposite direction against the stars when traveling behind the Sun.

The YouTube simulation shows Mercury traveling out from behind the Sun from May 20th to its widest point on June 10th and then as it swings in front of the Sun it moves with ElNath Castor and Pollux -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdFrE7hWj0A

It is only a matter of using the phases of the inner planets to focus attention on the closed loop of an orbital circuit whereas outer planetary retrogrades arise from a different sourse based on relative motions -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120809.html

The real challenge was working out how to account for the Earth's orbital motion when looking at the retrogrades of Venus and Mercury and that challenge will be there for anyone delights in the grandstand view we have of the orbital motion of Venus.

I don't have time for dealing with the rubbish of Newton and his followers, this topic is reformatting the works of the original heliocentric astronomers to take into account the needed partitioning of retrograde resolutions and especially use phase changes and variations in size to focus attention on the inner planets.

Show me retrogrades of Venus accompanied by phase changes and then we can talk.

oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51:55 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
Here's an early Christmas present for you.

Retrogrades of Venus take up its full motion from quadrature to
quadrature when traveling in front of the Sun while it moves in the
opposite direction against the stars when traveling behind the Sun.

The YouTube simulation shows Mercury traveling out from behind the Sun
from May 20th to its widest point on June 10th and then as it swings in
front of the Sun it moves with ElNath Castor and Pollux -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdFrE7hWj0A

It is only a matter of using the phases of the inner planets to focus
attention on the closed loop of an orbital circuit whereas outer
planetary retrogrades arise from a different sourse based on relative motions -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120809.html

The real challenge was working out how to account for the Earth's orbital
motion when looking at the retrogrades of Venus and Mercury and that
challenge will be there for anyone delights in the grandstand view we
have of the orbital motion of Venus.

I don't have time for dealing with the rubbish of Newton and his
followers, this topic is reformatting the works of the original
heliocentric astronomers to take into account the needed partitioning of
retrograde resolutions and especially use phase changes and variations in
size to focus attention on the inner planets.

Show me retrogrades of Venus accompanied by phase changes and then we can talk.

Didn't you look at the circle in the bottom half of the image with the size
and phase change of venus matched to the position of the planet in the sky?

..http://earthsky.org/space/animation-...-2014-and-2015

Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51:55 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
Here's an early Christmas present for you.

Retrogrades of Venus take up its full motion from quadrature to
quadrature when traveling in front of the Sun while it moves in the
opposite direction against the stars when traveling behind the Sun.

The YouTube simulation shows Mercury traveling out from behind the Sun
from May 20th to its widest point on June 10th and then as it swings in
front of the Sun it moves with ElNath Castor and Pollux -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdFrE7hWj0A

It is only a matter of using the phases of the inner planets to focus
attention on the closed loop of an orbital circuit whereas outer
planetary retrogrades arise from a different sourse based on relative motions -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120809.html

The real challenge was working out how to account for the Earth's orbital
motion when looking at the retrogrades of Venus and Mercury and that
challenge will be there for anyone delights in the grandstand view we
have of the orbital motion of Venus.

I don't have time for dealing with the rubbish of Newton and his
followers, this topic is reformatting the works of the original
heliocentric astronomers to take into account the needed partitioning of
retrograde resolutions and especially use phase changes and variations in
size to focus attention on the inner planets.

Show me retrogrades of Venus accompanied by phase changes and then we can talk.

Didn't you look at the circle in the bottom half of the image with the size
and phase change of venus matched to the position of the planet in the sky?


http://earthsky.org/space/animation-...-2014-and-2015

On Monday, December 1, 2014 5:12:11 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51:55 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
Here's an early Christmas present for you.

Retrogrades of Venus take up its full motion from quadrature to
quadrature when traveling in front of the Sun while it moves in the
opposite direction against the stars when traveling behind the Sun.

The YouTube simulation shows Mercury traveling out from behind the Sun
from May 20th to its widest point on June 10th and then as it swings in
front of the Sun it moves with ElNath Castor and Pollux -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdFrE7hWj0A

It is only a matter of using the phases of the inner planets to focus
attention on the closed loop of an orbital circuit whereas outer
planetary retrogrades arise from a different sourse based on relative motions -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120809.html

The real challenge was working out how to account for the Earth's orbital
motion when looking at the retrogrades of Venus and Mercury and that
challenge will be there for anyone delights in the grandstand view we
have of the orbital motion of Venus.

I don't have time for dealing with the rubbish of Newton and his
followers, this topic is reformatting the works of the original
heliocentric astronomers to take into account the needed partitioning of
retrograde resolutions and especially use phase changes and variations in
size to focus attention on the inner planets.

Show me retrogrades of Venus accompanied by phase changes and then we can talk.

Didn't you look at the circle in the bottom half of the image with the size
and phase change of venus matched to the position of the planet in the sky?

.http://earthsky.org/space/animation-...-2014-and-2015

Easier to look at the motion of Venus and its phases directly along with its increase in size as it approaches our orbit at its closest point -

http://www.popastro.com/images/plane...ary%202012.jpg

Now Collins you have to account for the orbital motion of the Earth and the apparent retrograde of Venus and by definition the apparent motion of that planet against the background stars as it moves behind the Sun and with the background stars as it moves from quadrature to quadrature with the background stars just as the Sky and Telescope YouTube graphic indicates -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdFrE7hWj0A

We have a lovely grandstand view of the motion of the inner planets but you have to be considerate to appreciate this spectacle. Want to see Venus swing out from behind the Sun to its widest point and then swing in ?. Didn't think so but here it is anyway -

https://briankoberlein.com/wp-conten...nus-phase1.jpg

There is not a single astronomer among any of you .

On Monday, December 1, 2014 5:16:32 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51:55 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
Here's an early Christmas present for you.

Retrogrades of Venus take up its full motion from quadrature to
quadrature when traveling in front of the Sun while it moves in the
opposite direction against the stars when traveling behind the Sun.

The YouTube simulation shows Mercury traveling out from behind the Sun
from May 20th to its widest point on June 10th and then as it swings in
front of the Sun it moves with ElNath Castor and Pollux -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdFrE7hWj0A

It is only a matter of using the phases of the inner planets to focus
attention on the closed loop of an orbital circuit whereas outer
planetary retrogrades arise from a different sourse based on relative motions -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120809.html

The real challenge was working out how to account for the Earth's orbital
motion when looking at the retrogrades of Venus and Mercury and that
challenge will be there for anyone delights in the grandstand view we
have of the orbital motion of Venus.

I don't have time for dealing with the rubbish of Newton and his
followers, this topic is reformatting the works of the original
heliocentric astronomers to take into account the needed partitioning of
retrograde resolutions and especially use phase changes and variations in
size to focus attention on the inner planets.

Show me retrogrades of Venus accompanied by phase changes and then we can talk.

Didn't you look at the circle in the bottom half of the image with the size
and phase change of venus matched to the position of the planet in the sky?


http://earthsky.org/space/animation-...-2014-and-2015

Where are you going to account for the orbital motion of the Earth ?. I have seen lots of these simulations and one as dumb as the next however the Sky and Telescope graphic does have the motion of the stars behind the Sun in sequence due to the orbital motion of the Earth thereby setting up the central Sun as a reference for the grandstand view of the inner planets.

You need to be an astronomer Collins to appreciate this amazing spectacle where inner planets show the complete range of phases when view from an outer planet. All you have done is shown how wretched the NASA organization has become because you ain't going to inject phases into the graphic which asserts what the Earth would look like from Mars -

http://mars.nasa.gov/allaboutmars/nightsky/retrograde/

Unlike the outer planets where planetary motion around the Sun in inferred indirectly via relative motions, we see the gorgeous motion of the inner planets as they make a circuit of the Sun -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7U5VbasKr4

You can't enjoy that time lapse like a man but some day students will appreciate the linkage between planetary phases and the orbital position of an inner planet to us and to the central Sun.

oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, December 1, 2014 5:16:32 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51:55 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
Here's an early Christmas present for you.

Retrogrades of Venus take up its full motion from quadrature to
quadrature when traveling in front of the Sun while it moves in the
opposite direction against the stars when traveling behind the Sun.

The YouTube simulation shows Mercury traveling out from behind the Sun
from May 20th to its widest point on June 10th and then as it swings in
front of the Sun it moves with ElNath Castor and Pollux -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdFrE7hWj0A

It is only a matter of using the phases of the inner planets to focus
attention on the closed loop of an orbital circuit whereas outer
planetary retrogrades arise from a different sourse based on relative motions -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120809.html

The real challenge was working out how to account for the Earth's orbital
motion when looking at the retrogrades of Venus and Mercury and that
challenge will be there for anyone delights in the grandstand view we
have of the orbital motion of Venus.

I don't have time for dealing with the rubbish of Newton and his
followers, this topic is reformatting the works of the original
heliocentric astronomers to take into account the needed partitioning of
retrograde resolutions and especially use phase changes and variations in
size to focus attention on the inner planets.

Show me retrogrades of Venus accompanied by phase changes and then we can talk.

Didn't you look at the circle in the bottom half of the image with the size
and phase change of venus matched to the position of the planet in the sky?


http://earthsky.org/space/animation-...-2014-and-2015

Where are you going to account for the orbital motion of the Earth ?. I
have seen lots of these simulations and one as dumb as the next however
the Sky and Telescope graphic does have the motion of the stars behind
the Sun in sequence due to the orbital motion of the Earth thereby
setting up the central Sun as a reference for the grandstand view of the inner planets.

You need to be an astronomer Collins to appreciate this amazing spectacle
where inner planets show the complete range of phases when view from an
outer planet. All you have done is shown how wretched the NASA
organization has become because you ain't going to inject phases into the
graphic which asserts what the Earth would look like from Mars -

http://mars.nasa.gov/allaboutmars/nightsky/retrograde/

Unlike the outer planets where planetary motion around the Sun in
inferred indirectly via relative motions, we see the gorgeous motion of
the inner planets as they make a circuit of the Sun -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7U5VbasKr4

You can't enjoy that time lapse like a man but some day students will
appreciate the linkage between planetary phases and the orbital position
of an inner planet to us and to the central Sun.

You have shown here that you are an ungrateful petulant wretch with the
manners of a selfish spoiled 6 year old. "You've shown me what I asked for
- retrogrades of Venus accompanied by a phase change - but now I want more
and i want it NOW."

No apology for not looking properly at the video (or maybe not looking at
it at all).
Larry Koehn at shadowandsubstance,com has produced a brilliant prediction
of the motions of Venus next year and incorporated the phases and apparent
size of the planet as well. You insult his skill with your disparaging
comments.
I've been wondering how to simultaneously show retrograde motion, phase and
apparent size changes at the same time without distortion and he has
succeeded brilliantly.
Yet you still prefer the pathetic S&T prediction which has clunky 1980s
graphics and bears only a slight resemblance to the true appearance of the
sky.

On Monday, December 1, 2014 9:39:11 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, December 1, 2014 5:16:32 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51:55 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
Here's an early Christmas present for you.

Retrogrades of Venus take up its full motion from quadrature to
quadrature when traveling in front of the Sun while it moves in the
opposite direction against the stars when traveling behind the Sun.

The YouTube simulation shows Mercury traveling out from behind the Sun
from May 20th to its widest point on June 10th and then as it swings in
front of the Sun it moves with ElNath Castor and Pollux -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdFrE7hWj0A

It is only a matter of using the phases of the inner planets to focus
attention on the closed loop of an orbital circuit whereas outer
planetary retrogrades arise from a different sourse based on relative motions -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120809.html

The real challenge was working out how to account for the Earth's orbital
motion when looking at the retrogrades of Venus and Mercury and that
challenge will be there for anyone delights in the grandstand view we
have of the orbital motion of Venus.

I don't have time for dealing with the rubbish of Newton and his
followers, this topic is reformatting the works of the original
heliocentric astronomers to take into account the needed partitioning of
retrograde resolutions and especially use phase changes and variations in
size to focus attention on the inner planets.

Show me retrogrades of Venus accompanied by phase changes and then we can talk.

Didn't you look at the circle in the bottom half of the image with the size
and phase change of venus matched to the position of the planet in the sky?


http://earthsky.org/space/animation-...-2014-and-2015

Where are you going to account for the orbital motion of the Earth ?. I
have seen lots of these simulations and one as dumb as the next however
the Sky and Telescope graphic does have the motion of the stars behind
the Sun in sequence due to the orbital motion of the Earth thereby
setting up the central Sun as a reference for the grandstand view of the inner planets.

You need to be an astronomer Collins to appreciate this amazing spectacle
where inner planets show the complete range of phases when view from an
outer planet. All you have done is shown how wretched the NASA
organization has become because you ain't going to inject phases into the
graphic which asserts what the Earth would look like from Mars -

http://mars.nasa.gov/allaboutmars/nightsky/retrograde/

Unlike the outer planets where planetary motion around the Sun in
inferred indirectly via relative motions, we see the gorgeous motion of
the inner planets as they make a circuit of the Sun -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7U5VbasKr4

You can't enjoy that time lapse like a man but some day students will
appreciate the linkage between planetary phases and the orbital position
of an inner planet to us and to the central Sun.

You have shown here that you are an ungrateful petulant wretch with the
manners of a selfish spoiled 6 year old. "You've shown me what I asked for
- retrogrades of Venus accompanied by a phase change - but now I want more
and i want it NOW."


Don't make me laugh, the Earth's orbital input into observations is represented by the motion of the stars in sequence behind the Sun as the Earth travels through space so don't waste my precious time with worthless junk which omits the motion of Venus and Mercury in the direction of the background stars (retrogrades) and more importantly - accounts for the orbital motion of the Earth.

Retrogrades haven't been touched since Copernicus first resolved the apparent motion of the outer planets by using relative motions as the outer planets temporarily fall behind in view as the Earth overtakes them but an entirely separate resolution is needed for the inner planets and let you and your colleagues scream all you will, we see the motion of the inner planets around the Sun as though watching cars circuit a track.


https://briankoberlein.com/wp-conten...nus-phase1.jpg







No apology for not looking properly at the video (or maybe not looking at
it at all).
Larry Koehn at shadowandsubstance,com has produced a brilliant prediction
of the motions of Venus next year and incorporated the phases and apparent
size of the planet as well. You insult his skill with your disparaging
comments.

Skill indeed !, the real skill is in the many images showing a graceful arc with phases and size increase using actual observations of Venus -

http://tool-box.info/blog/uploads/Ve...6-20140104.png

These are the images and people who created them that are worth pursuing so readers can't have it both ways, they either accept the steady size increase of Venus as it approaches our orbit at its closest approach and the closed loop with a complete set of phase changes focusing observers to the fact that the planet orbits the Sun. That your kind will do everything to dispute this observation is best left unsaid for the misery and lack of consideration involved.



I've been wondering how to simultaneously show retrograde motion, phase and
apparent size changes at the same time without distortion and he has
succeeded brilliantly.
Yet you still prefer the pathetic S&T prediction which has clunky 1980s
graphics and bears only a slight resemblance to the true appearance of the
sky.

Retrograde motion of the inner planets occur from quadrature to quadrature when the planet moves in front of the Sun and the Sky and Telescope graphic is the only one presently that takes into account the orbital motion of the Earth which sets up the central Sun as a reference whereby we get that spectacular grandstand view of the inner planets.

At least Collins you are drawn into looking at retrogrades with phase changes which obliterates any notion that retrogrades are resolved by a hypothetical observer on the Sun as your hero Newton imagined. It is your cult that is preventing people with intelligence and spirit from appreciating a wonderful way to affirm that the inner planets orbit the Sun while using the Earth's orbital motion to set the stage for that brilliant perspective.

On Monday, December 1, 2014 8:49:48 PM UTC-8, oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, December 1, 2014 9:39:11 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, December 1, 2014 5:16:32 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51:55 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
Here's an early Christmas present for you.

Retrogrades of Venus take up its full motion from quadrature to
quadrature when traveling in front of the Sun while it moves in the
opposite direction against the stars when traveling behind the Sun..

The YouTube simulation shows Mercury traveling out from behind the Sun
from May 20th to its widest point on June 10th and then as it swings in
front of the Sun it moves with ElNath Castor and Pollux -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdFrE7hWj0A

It is only a matter of using the phases of the inner planets to focus
attention on the closed loop of an orbital circuit whereas outer
planetary retrogrades arise from a different sourse based on relative motions -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120809.html

The real challenge was working out how to account for the Earth's orbital
motion when looking at the retrogrades of Venus and Mercury and that
challenge will be there for anyone delights in the grandstand view we
have of the orbital motion of Venus.

I don't have time for dealing with the rubbish of Newton and his
followers, this topic is reformatting the works of the original
heliocentric astronomers to take into account the needed partitioning of
retrograde resolutions and especially use phase changes and variations in
size to focus attention on the inner planets.

Show me retrogrades of Venus accompanied by phase changes and then we can talk.

Didn't you look at the circle in the bottom half of the image with the size
and phase change of venus matched to the position of the planet in the sky?


http://earthsky.org/space/animation-...-2014-and-2015

Where are you going to account for the orbital motion of the Earth ?. I
have seen lots of these simulations and one as dumb as the next however
the Sky and Telescope graphic does have the motion of the stars behind
the Sun in sequence due to the orbital motion of the Earth thereby
setting up the central Sun as a reference for the grandstand view of the inner planets.

You need to be an astronomer Collins to appreciate this amazing spectacle
where inner planets show the complete range of phases when view from an
outer planet. All you have done is shown how wretched the NASA
organization has become because you ain't going to inject phases into the
graphic which asserts what the Earth would look like from Mars -

http://mars.nasa.gov/allaboutmars/nightsky/retrograde/

Unlike the outer planets where planetary motion around the Sun in
inferred indirectly via relative motions, we see the gorgeous motion of
the inner planets as they make a circuit of the Sun -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7U5VbasKr4

You can't enjoy that time lapse like a man but some day students will
appreciate the linkage between planetary phases and the orbital position
of an inner planet to us and to the central Sun.

You have shown here that you are an ungrateful petulant wretch with the
manners of a selfish spoiled 6 year old. "You've shown me what I asked for
- retrogrades of Venus accompanied by a phase change - but now I want more
and i want it NOW."


Don't make me laugh, the Earth's orbital input into observations is represented by the motion of the stars in sequence behind the Sun as the Earth travels through space so don't waste my precious time with worthless junk which omits the motion of Venus and Mercury in the direction of the background stars (retrogrades) and more importantly - accounts for the orbital motion of the Earth.

Retrogrades haven't been touched since Copernicus first resolved the apparent motion of the outer planets by using relative motions as the outer planets temporarily fall behind in view as the Earth overtakes them but an entirely separate resolution is needed for the inner planets and let you and your colleagues scream all you will, we see the motion of the inner planets around the Sun as though watching cars circuit a track.


https://briankoberlein.com/wp-conten...nus-phase1.jpg







No apology for not looking properly at the video (or maybe not looking at
it at all).
Larry Koehn at shadowandsubstance,com has produced a brilliant prediction
of the motions of Venus next year and incorporated the phases and apparent
size of the planet as well. You insult his skill with your disparaging
comments.

Skill indeed !, the real skill is in the many images showing a graceful arc with phases and size increase using actual observations of Venus -

http://tool-box.info/blog/uploads/Ve...6-20140104.png

These are the images and people who created them that are worth pursuing so readers can't have it both ways, they either accept the steady size increase of Venus as it approaches our orbit at its closest approach and the closed loop with a complete set of phase changes focusing observers to the fact that the planet orbits the Sun. That your kind will do everything to dispute this observation is best left unsaid for the misery and lack of consideration involved.



I've been wondering how to simultaneously show retrograde motion, phase and
apparent size changes at the same time without distortion and he has
succeeded brilliantly.
Yet you still prefer the pathetic S&T prediction which has clunky 1980s
graphics and bears only a slight resemblance to the true appearance of the
sky.

Retrograde motion of the inner planets occur from quadrature to quadrature when the planet moves in front of the Sun and the Sky and Telescope graphic is the only one presently that takes into account the orbital motion of the Earth which sets up the central Sun as a reference whereby we get that spectacular grandstand view of the inner planets.

At least Collins you are drawn into looking at retrogrades with phase changes which obliterates any notion that retrogrades are resolved by a hypothetical observer on the Sun as your hero Newton imagined. It is your cult that is preventing people with intelligence and spirit from appreciating a wonderful way to affirm that the inner planets orbit the Sun while using the Earth's orbital motion to set the stage for that brilliant perspective.

Gerald, you haven't a clue, do you? You are completely blind as to reality. You have been given a link that shows exactly how Venus moves wrt the fixed stars, and all you can do is insist that its motion wrt the Sun is the only acceptable perspective. You don't even understand that your treasured links show composite images, only an artistic depiction of the motion of Venus, and does not represent reality.

What a sad little man you are, I pity you... you are rejoicing at what you cannot correctly perceive, doomed to your fantasy perspective...

On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 5:17:12 AM UTC, palsing wrote:
On Monday, December 1, 2014 8:49:48 PM UTC-8, oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, December 1, 2014 9:39:11 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, December 1, 2014 5:16:32 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51:55 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
Here's an early Christmas present for you.

Retrogrades of Venus take up its full motion from quadrature to
quadrature when traveling in front of the Sun while it moves in the
opposite direction against the stars when traveling behind the Sun.

The YouTube simulation shows Mercury traveling out from behind the Sun
from May 20th to its widest point on June 10th and then as it swings in
front of the Sun it moves with ElNath Castor and Pollux -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdFrE7hWj0A

It is only a matter of using the phases of the inner planets to focus
attention on the closed loop of an orbital circuit whereas outer
planetary retrogrades arise from a different sourse based on relative motions -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120809.html

The real challenge was working out how to account for the Earth's orbital
motion when looking at the retrogrades of Venus and Mercury and that
challenge will be there for anyone delights in the grandstand view we
have of the orbital motion of Venus.

I don't have time for dealing with the rubbish of Newton and his
followers, this topic is reformatting the works of the original
heliocentric astronomers to take into account the needed partitioning of
retrograde resolutions and especially use phase changes and variations in
size to focus attention on the inner planets.

Show me retrogrades of Venus accompanied by phase changes and then we can talk.

Didn't you look at the circle in the bottom half of the image with the size
and phase change of venus matched to the position of the planet in the sky?


http://earthsky.org/space/animation-...-2014-and-2015

Where are you going to account for the orbital motion of the Earth ?. I
have seen lots of these simulations and one as dumb as the next however
the Sky and Telescope graphic does have the motion of the stars behind
the Sun in sequence due to the orbital motion of the Earth thereby
setting up the central Sun as a reference for the grandstand view of the inner planets.

You need to be an astronomer Collins to appreciate this amazing spectacle
where inner planets show the complete range of phases when view from an
outer planet. All you have done is shown how wretched the NASA
organization has become because you ain't going to inject phases into the
graphic which asserts what the Earth would look like from Mars -

http://mars.nasa.gov/allaboutmars/nightsky/retrograde/

Unlike the outer planets where planetary motion around the Sun in
inferred indirectly via relative motions, we see the gorgeous motion of
the inner planets as they make a circuit of the Sun -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7U5VbasKr4

You can't enjoy that time lapse like a man but some day students will
appreciate the linkage between planetary phases and the orbital position
of an inner planet to us and to the central Sun.

You have shown here that you are an ungrateful petulant wretch with the
manners of a selfish spoiled 6 year old. "You've shown me what I asked for
- retrogrades of Venus accompanied by a phase change - but now I want more
and i want it NOW."


Don't make me laugh, the Earth's orbital input into observations is represented by the motion of the stars in sequence behind the Sun as the Earth travels through space so don't waste my precious time with worthless junk which omits the motion of Venus and Mercury in the direction of the background stars (retrogrades) and more importantly - accounts for the orbital motion of the Earth.

Retrogrades haven't been touched since Copernicus first resolved the apparent motion of the outer planets by using relative motions as the outer planets temporarily fall behind in view as the Earth overtakes them but an entirely separate resolution is needed for the inner planets and let you and your colleagues scream all you will, we see the motion of the inner planets around the Sun as though watching cars circuit a track.


https://briankoberlein.com/wp-conten...nus-phase1.jpg







No apology for not looking properly at the video (or maybe not looking at
it at all).
Larry Koehn at shadowandsubstance,com has produced a brilliant prediction
of the motions of Venus next year and incorporated the phases and apparent
size of the planet as well. You insult his skill with your disparaging
comments.

Skill indeed !, the real skill is in the many images showing a graceful arc with phases and size increase using actual observations of Venus -

http://tool-box.info/blog/uploads/Ve...6-20140104.png

These are the images and people who created them that are worth pursuing so readers can't have it both ways, they either accept the steady size increase of Venus as it approaches our orbit at its closest approach and the closed loop with a complete set of phase changes focusing observers to the fact that the planet orbits the Sun. That your kind will do everything to dispute this observation is best left unsaid for the misery and lack of consideration involved.



I've been wondering how to simultaneously show retrograde motion, phase and
apparent size changes at the same time without distortion and he has
succeeded brilliantly.
Yet you still prefer the pathetic S&T prediction which has clunky 1980s
graphics and bears only a slight resemblance to the true appearance of the
sky.

Retrograde motion of the inner planets occur from quadrature to quadrature when the planet moves in front of the Sun and the Sky and Telescope graphic is the only one presently that takes into account the orbital motion of the Earth which sets up the central Sun as a reference whereby we get that spectacular grandstand view of the inner planets.

At least Collins you are drawn into looking at retrogrades with phase changes which obliterates any notion that retrogrades are resolved by a hypothetical observer on the Sun as your hero Newton imagined. It is your cult that is preventing people with intelligence and spirit from appreciating a wonderful way to affirm that the inner planets orbit the Sun while using the Earth's orbital motion to set the stage for that brilliant perspective.

Gerald, you haven't a clue, do you? You are completely blind as to reality. You have been given a link that shows exactly how Venus moves wrt the fixed stars, and all you can do is insist that its motion wrt the Sun is the only acceptable perspective.

Coming from the guy who has difficulty with the passage of Venus from one side of the Sun to the other, hence mirror image phases, that usual noise from you means absolutely nothing

http://artsandstars.ens-lyon.fr/venu...es.png?lang=en

Such a wonderful spectacle without the effort made by many people -

http://artsandstars.ens-lyon.fr/venu...es.png?lang=en

So now you know how to use phases to affirm that Venus orbits the Sun and our position on an outer planet gives us a satisfying perspective.

You all live out that miserable swindle where you won't even recognize the observations and conclusions which refer retrogrades to the motion and orbital position of the Earth as the relative motion between Earth and the outer planets infer our common orbits around the Sun while we see the motion of the inner planets around the Sun directly.

This is a long way from Newton and his hypothetical observer on the Sun attempt to account for observed planetary motions but I wouldn't even give you credit for realizing that. You don't hate astronomy as much as are mesmerized by a fiction created for you by generation after generation of people who have no feeling for the celestial arena nor Earth's place in it.

On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 5:17:12 AM UTC, palsing wrote:
On Monday, December 1, 2014 8:49:48 PM UTC-8, oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, December 1, 2014 9:39:11 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, December 1, 2014 5:16:32 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51:55 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
Here's an early Christmas present for you.

Retrogrades of Venus take up its full motion from quadrature to
quadrature when traveling in front of the Sun while it moves in the
opposite direction against the stars when traveling behind the Sun.

The YouTube simulation shows Mercury traveling out from behind the Sun
from May 20th to its widest point on June 10th and then as it swings in
front of the Sun it moves with ElNath Castor and Pollux -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdFrE7hWj0A

It is only a matter of using the phases of the inner planets to focus
attention on the closed loop of an orbital circuit whereas outer
planetary retrogrades arise from a different sourse based on relative motions -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120809.html

The real challenge was working out how to account for the Earth's orbital
motion when looking at the retrogrades of Venus and Mercury and that
challenge will be there for anyone delights in the grandstand view we
have of the orbital motion of Venus.

I don't have time for dealing with the rubbish of Newton and his
followers, this topic is reformatting the works of the original
heliocentric astronomers to take into account the needed partitioning of
retrograde resolutions and especially use phase changes and variations in
size to focus attention on the inner planets.

Show me retrogrades of Venus accompanied by phase changes and then we can talk.

Didn't you look at the circle in the bottom half of the image with the size
and phase change of venus matched to the position of the planet in the sky?


http://earthsky.org/space/animation-...-2014-and-2015

Where are you going to account for the orbital motion of the Earth ?. I
have seen lots of these simulations and one as dumb as the next however
the Sky and Telescope graphic does have the motion of the stars behind
the Sun in sequence due to the orbital motion of the Earth thereby
setting up the central Sun as a reference for the grandstand view of the inner planets.

You need to be an astronomer Collins to appreciate this amazing spectacle
where inner planets show the complete range of phases when view from an
outer planet. All you have done is shown how wretched the NASA
organization has become because you ain't going to inject phases into the
graphic which asserts what the Earth would look like from Mars -

http://mars.nasa.gov/allaboutmars/nightsky/retrograde/

Unlike the outer planets where planetary motion around the Sun in
inferred indirectly via relative motions, we see the gorgeous motion of
the inner planets as they make a circuit of the Sun -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7U5VbasKr4

You can't enjoy that time lapse like a man but some day students will
appreciate the linkage between planetary phases and the orbital position
of an inner planet to us and to the central Sun.

You have shown here that you are an ungrateful petulant wretch with the
manners of a selfish spoiled 6 year old. "You've shown me what I asked for
- retrogrades of Venus accompanied by a phase change - but now I want more
and i want it NOW."


Don't make me laugh, the Earth's orbital input into observations is represented by the motion of the stars in sequence behind the Sun as the Earth travels through space so don't waste my precious time with worthless junk which omits the motion of Venus and Mercury in the direction of the background stars (retrogrades) and more importantly - accounts for the orbital motion of the Earth.

Retrogrades haven't been touched since Copernicus first resolved the apparent motion of the outer planets by using relative motions as the outer planets temporarily fall behind in view as the Earth overtakes them but an entirely separate resolution is needed for the inner planets and let you and your colleagues scream all you will, we see the motion of the inner planets around the Sun as though watching cars circuit a track.


https://briankoberlein.com/wp-conten...nus-phase1.jpg







No apology for not looking properly at the video (or maybe not looking at
it at all).
Larry Koehn at shadowandsubstance,com has produced a brilliant prediction
of the motions of Venus next year and incorporated the phases and apparent
size of the planet as well. You insult his skill with your disparaging
comments.

Skill indeed !, the real skill is in the many images showing a graceful arc with phases and size increase using actual observations of Venus -

http://tool-box.info/blog/uploads/Ve...6-20140104.png

These are the images and people who created them that are worth pursuing so readers can't have it both ways, they either accept the steady size increase of Venus as it approaches our orbit at its closest approach and the closed loop with a complete set of phase changes focusing observers to the fact that the planet orbits the Sun. That your kind will do everything to dispute this observation is best left unsaid for the misery and lack of consideration involved.



I've been wondering how to simultaneously show retrograde motion, phase and
apparent size changes at the same time without distortion and he has
succeeded brilliantly.
Yet you still prefer the pathetic S&T prediction which has clunky 1980s
graphics and bears only a slight resemblance to the true appearance of the
sky.

Retrograde motion of the inner planets occur from quadrature to quadrature when the planet moves in front of the Sun and the Sky and Telescope graphic is the only one presently that takes into account the orbital motion of the Earth which sets up the central Sun as a reference whereby we get that spectacular grandstand view of the inner planets.

At least Collins you are drawn into looking at retrogrades with phase changes which obliterates any notion that retrogrades are resolved by a hypothetical observer on the Sun as your hero Newton imagined. It is your cult that is preventing people with intelligence and spirit from appreciating a wonderful way to affirm that the inner planets orbit the Sun while using the Earth's orbital motion to set the stage for that brilliant perspective.

Gerald, you haven't a clue, do you? You are completely blind as to reality. You have been given a link that shows exactly how Venus moves wrt the fixed stars, and all you can do is insist that its motion wrt the Sun is the only acceptable perspective. You don't even understand that your treasured links show composite images, only an artistic depiction of the motion of Venus, and does not represent reality.

What a sad little man you are, I pity you... you are rejoicing at what you cannot correctly perceive, doomed to your fantasy perspective...

Oops !, meant to show images made by people who already are aware that Venus circles the Sun with its gorgeous orientation keeping the observer's attention focused on the fact that the planet points to the central Sun using a complete set of phases -

http://www.masil-astro-imaging.com/S...age%20flat.jpg

I never get tired of that image and neither should anyone else ,at least until they truly appreciate the closed loop of Venus and why its motion with and against the background stars is processed across the quadratures.

What does it take to show any observe at your star parties what goes on as Venus and Mercury are never far from the Sun at evening or at dawn yet you have yet to appreciate the spectacle as Venus goes from an evening spectacle to a morning spectacle as it passes in front of the Sun and moves to the other side.

There is no 'above/below' as your celestial sphere cult has come to imagine, there is the great celestial arena with the Earth's motion and position in it extracted from the motions of other objects and from daily and seasonal experiences. Breath the air of an astronomer Paul for the first time and expand your view and your ideas instead of trying to diminish me and I do like that American saying which partly qualifies this -

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." Eleanor Roosevelt

Once you discuss astronomical events then you can discuss ideas,that is the way it is and always has been.