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Old April 26th 14, 05:48 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Uncarollo2
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Consider this:

Humanity existed for over 200,000 years, hunting and gathering, before agriculture began. It became well-established on the order of 10,000 years ago, shortly after an unprecedented stability of the Earth's climate began as well (global average temperature varying only 3 degrees F for 10,000 years) .. That is not a coincidence. The stable climate has allowed humanity to continue to farm and its population to increase to over 7 billion (that's a problem, but another discussion).

Climate change will kick the Earth out of this unusual equilibrium and return it to the wild temperature swings it used to experience (global average temperature varying as much as 20 degrees F, sometimes within a few decades), This instability would lead to crop failures and make reliable intensive agriculture unreliable, thus making a population anywhere near its current level virtually impossible. We will not be able to "adapt" to the changes, unless "we" constitutes a total population much smaller than today's.
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Old April 26th 14, 06:02 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Friday, April 25, 2014 11:48:36 PM UTC-5, Uncarollo2 wrote:
Consider this:



Humanity existed for over 200,000 years, hunting and gathering, before agriculture began. It became well-established on the order of 10,000 years ago, shortly after an unprecedented stability of the Earth's climate began as well (global average temperature varying only 3 degrees F for 10,000 years) . That is not a coincidence. The stable climate has allowed humanity to continue to farm and its population to increase to over 7 billion (that's a problem, but another discussion).



Climate change will kick the Earth out of this unusual equilibrium and return it to the wild temperature swings it used to experience (global average temperature varying as much as 20 degrees F, sometimes within a few decades), This instability would lead to crop failures and make reliable intensive agriculture unreliable, thus making a population anywhere near its current level virtually impossible. We will not be able to "adapt" to the changes, unless "we" constitutes a total population much smaller than today's.


Great charts and videos: http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000...674/index.html
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Old April 26th 14, 08:13 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Saturday, April 26, 2014 5:48:36 AM UTC+1, Uncarollo2 wrote:
Consider this:


That is the sound of nothing more than the usual Punch and Judy show beloved of speculative theorists,people who can't even manage to correlate the temperatures rising with the appearance of the Sun and the cooling after it disappears within each 24 hours.

It is rare that empiricists feel uncomfortable with the stupid and artificial proportion which created a mismatch between rotations and all the causes and effects within a 24 hour day but it does happen -

http://books.google.ie/books?id=MfU3...ge&q&f=fal se

The global warming/climate change hype is merely a symptom of the wrongdoing in the late 17th century when an aggressive form of empiricism tried to dominate the astronomy by exploiting the ability to predict astronomical events using the calendar framework and shunt it entirely into speculative sciences.

It is amazing that after 14 years I haven't encountered one person who can fix the Earth orbital position in space using the number of times it turns nor the appreciation of the 24 hour system in tandem with the Lat/Long system which is an offshoot of the parent observation that the planet turns 365 1/4 times per year using a 4 year foundation for this fact.

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Old April 26th 14, 03:07 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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You cannot reason with Gerald - I worked with students on the autistic spectrum for many years and once they had made up their minds about an issue it was virtually impossible to get them to change their opinion.

You will not get Gerald to debate or discuss his views. He will, however, repeat minor variations of the same material for years on an almost daily basis.

Gerald cannot see situations from any other viewpoint than his own. This is a characteristic of his condition. He neither knows nor cares if he is annoying or upsetting other users of the group.

Posting to the group is an important part of his life. It is hard to imagine that he is in gainful employment or that he has a "normal" social life so he has become a "keyboard warrior" instead.

The solution is simple. Ignore him. Never respond to his posts, turn him into a non-person.


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Old April 26th 14, 09:10 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Saturday, April 26, 2014 6:02:30 AM UTC+1, Uncarollo2 wrote:
On Friday, April 25, 2014 11:48:36 PM UTC-5, Uncarollo2 wrote:

Consider this:








Humanity existed for over 200,000 years, hunting and gathering, before agriculture began. It became well-established on the order of 10,000 years ago, shortly after an unprecedented stability of the Earth's climate began as well (global average temperature varying only 3 degrees F for 10,000 years) . That is not a coincidence. The stable climate has allowed humanity to continue to farm and its population to increase to over 7 billion (that's a problem, but another discussion).








Climate change will kick the Earth out of this unusual equilibrium and return it to the wild temperature swings it used to experience (global average temperature varying as much as 20 degrees F, sometimes within a few decades), This instability would lead to crop failures and make reliable intensive agriculture unreliable, thus making a population anywhere near its current level virtually impossible. We will not be able to "adapt" to the changes, unless "we" constitutes a total population much smaller than today's.




Great charts and videos: http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000...674/index.html


Oh look Uncarollo,for $17 billion NASA has discovered the correct Equatorial speed of the Earth which cost me only $30 a month in internet charges.

"At the equator, the circumference of the Earth is 40,070 kilometers, and the day is 24 hours long so the speed is 1670 kilometers/hour ( 1070 miles/hr). This decreases by the cosine of your latitude so that at a latitude of 45 degrees, cos(45) = .707 and the speed is .707 x 1670 = 1180 kilometers/hr. You can use this formula to find the speed of rotation at any latitude." NASA

http://image.gsfc.nasa.gov/poetry/ask/a10840.html

NASA has managed to clean out its old 'solar vs sidereal' script to a large extent but there are still traces left -

"The Length of a Day
A sidereal (pronounced sigh-dear'-real) day refers to the rotation
of the Earth measured relative to the stars. It is the time it takes
the Earth to rotate 360 degrees and is equal to 23 hours, 56 minutes
and 4 seconds. " NASA

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/JennyChen.shtml

http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy.../sidereal.html


Have you all got the fact straight ? - when you wake up in the morning and watch the Sun appear you are watching a new rotation each 24 hours and they always,always keep in step.


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Old April 26th 14, 10:35 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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A 1 deg. change would add 210,000 extra square miles of crop growing space to Canada. Why is it the GREENIES NEVER mention the positives?
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On Saturday, April 26, 2014 10:35:34 PM UTC+1, RichA wrote:
A 1 deg. change would add 210,000 extra square miles of crop growing space to Canada. Why is it the GREENIES NEVER mention the positives?


Silly people who don't know the root cause of the hype where predicting an astronomical event using the calendar system and the 24 hour AM/PM system was hijacked by people who used it as a launchpad for speculating on an outcome by imagining a one-size-fits-all 'laws of motion' on all objects from apples to the moon.

What I wouldn't give to find a reader who could understand the cause of the daily temperature fluctuations by virtue that those who use RA/Dec as a framework for the Earth's motions won't accept that days and rotations keep in step and what keeps its that way.







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Old April 27th 14, 12:14 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Sat, 26 Apr 2014 14:35:34 -0700 (PDT), RichA
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A 1 deg. change would add 210,000 extra square miles of crop growing space to Canada. Why is it the GREENIES NEVER mention the positives?


At the expense of thousands of square miles of coastal cities. And at
higher CO2 levels, most important crops are less productive.

Fortunately, with our huge standing army it will be a no brainer for
the U.S. to annex Canada. And since there's a good chance that our
current economies and political systems will fail with that sort of
temperature increase, we can even turn Canadians into slaves to work
the fields and feed all of us who survive in the great American
Desert.
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Old April 27th 14, 02:48 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Saturday, April 26, 2014 1:13:16 AM UTC-6, oriel36 wrote:
can't even manage to correlate the temperatures rising with the appearance of
the Sun and the cooling after it disappears within each 24 hours.


That's absolutely not true. We know perfectly well that the solar day is 24 hours long, and day is warm and night is cold. After all, we wear wris****ches like everyone else, go to work in the morning, and sleep at night.

The earth rotating in 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 4 seconds has nothing to do with changing the length of the solar day. The earth's rotational period is not the solar day, but instead one item that makes up the solar day, along with the earth's orbit.

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Old April 27th 14, 02:54 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Saturday, April 26, 2014 3:35:34 PM UTC-6, RichA wrote:
A 1 deg. change would add 210,000 extra square miles of crop growing space to
Canada. Why is it the GREENIES NEVER mention the positives?


There might be some temporary positives somewhere. But when you're tampering with a complex machine you don't understand properly, you're more likely to wreck it and fix it. People concerned about the environment view the Earth as having an ecology that has reached a delicate equilibrium over millions of years of evolution, which is now being disturbed willy-nilly by people out to make a fast buck.

While the green viewpoint, therefore, contains a lot of truth, until recently it has almost all been overblown, sentimental, and anti-free-enterprise. With the ozone layer, and now global warming, the ecology movement is finally right about something - human effects on the environment are finally hitting a global scale, not just causing local effects that are only significant if they happen where people are living, like smog.

They're still wrong about the solutions. Solve global warming without destroying the world economy? Easy - switch to nuclear power, which the greenies _really_ hate.

Don't make the same mistake as they're making - ignoring science for the sake of ideology.

John Savard
 




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