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In the current days, most americans are unaware of
what is really going on in american prisons, airports, and streets.

Prisons maybe. Airports and streets are public venues, and what happens there
is seen by others who will talk. We don't have effective censorship.

I submit that prisons *everywhere* are nasty places. They are meant to be.

And what is so horrible about our airport measures? Is protecting human life
not worth causing some people momentary embarassment?

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G EddieA95 wrote:
And what is so horrible about our airport measures? Is protecting human life
not worth causing some people momentary embarassment?

If the ridiculous nonsense now going on at airports was actually of any
protective value, that argument might have some force.
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Prisons maybe. Airports and streets are public venues, and what
happens there is seen by others who will talk. We don't have
effective censorship.

Tell that to arab-looking americans who were pulled out of line and
detained.

A Syrian-Canadian who was travelling through the US had this happen to him.
The Canadian had a stop over in NY and abruptly disappeared... only to
reappear in a Syrian jail 48 hours later.

He was "picked up" by American law-enforcement.
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Tell that to arab-looking americans who were pulled out of line and
detained.

Unfortunately, that *happens* in time of war.

A Syrian-Canadian who was travelling through the US had this happen to him.
The Canadian had a stop over in NY and abruptly disappeared... only to
reappear in a Syrian jail 48 hours later.

Boo-hoo-hoo. Poor helpless child. If he was innocent why would *Syria* --NOT
a US ally--lock him up?!!!

"G EddieA95" wrote in message
...
Tell that to arab-looking americans who were pulled out of line and
detained.

Unfortunately, that *happens* in time of war.

A Syrian-Canadian who was travelling through the US had this happen to
him.
The Canadian had a stop over in NY and abruptly disappeared... only to
reappear in a Syrian jail 48 hours later.

Boo-hoo-hoo. Poor helpless child. If he was innocent why would
*Syria* --NOT
a US ally--lock him up?!!!

I have assumed that there was a reason why the person in question had left
Syria in the first place.

It is a "not nice" place by all accounts. Especially for people who've
decided to leave.

"G EddieA95" wrote in message
...
In the current days, most americans are unaware of
what is really going on in american prisons, airports, and streets.

Prisons maybe. Airports and streets are public venues, and what happens
there
is seen by others who will talk. We don't have effective censorship.

I submit that prisons *everywhere* are nasty places. They are meant to
be.

And what is so horrible about our airport measures? Is protecting human
life
not worth causing some people momentary embarassment?

I think he's talking about what happens within the INS system.

Having had to sit still and keep quiet while an INS officer shouted at my
wife and tried to get her to say that she was an Afrikaaner racist who had
supported apartheid, I have little time for them. NB: this was pre-9-11.

The INS have pretty much carte-blanc while you are that side of the
immigration barrier.

The security arrangements going through aren't all that much of a concern to
me. If anything I'd still like to see things tightened up more.

"Dave" wrote ...

"G EddieA95" wrote in message

A Syrian-Canadian who was travelling through the US had this happen to
him.
The Canadian had a stop over in NY and abruptly disappeared... only to
reappear in a Syrian jail 48 hours later.

Boo-hoo-hoo. Poor helpless child. If he was innocent why would
*Syria* --NOT a US ally--lock him up?!!!

Your assertion then is that non-US allies can be trusted not to lock up innocents
but US allies can't? As it happens locking up people that are inconvenient is one
of Syria's specialities. They also have a habit of locking up anybody handy
rather than risking close looks into terrorist activities that are actually taking place
in their country.

http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-syr/index

I have assumed that there was a reason why the person in question had left
Syria in the first place.

Is this your 'person in question' perhaps?
http://www.edelsonandassociates.com/...her%20Arar.htm

There are some 'choice' bits
"The Canadian government was not contacted about Mr. Arar's case until after he had
been deported"

"deported in a hearing where he apparently had no legal representation."

"[...] deporting him to his country of birth, namely, Syria, when he did not carry a Syrian
passport, is a Canadian Citizen, and was travelling with a Canadian Passport"

It seems he has just been released after a year in prison without being charged
and is not to be detained when he returns to Canada.

http://www.edelsonandassociates.com/...0100603-23.htm

"Paul Blay" wrote in message
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I have assumed that there was a reason why the person in question had
left
Syria in the first place.

Is this your 'person in question' perhaps?
http://www.edelsonandassociates.com/...her%20Arar.htm

There are some 'choice' bits
"The Canadian government was not contacted about Mr. Arar's case until
after he had
been deported"

"deported in a hearing where he apparently had no legal representation."

"[...] deporting him to his country of birth, namely, Syria, when he did
not carry a Syrian
passport, is a Canadian Citizen, and was travelling with a Canadian
Passport"

It seems he has just been released after a year in prison without being
charged
and is not to be detained when he returns to Canada.


http://www.edelsonandassociates.com/...Coverage/Arar%
20100603-23.htm

Ah... the INS... how I know thee... ;-)

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 03:06:38 GMT, in a place far, far away,
(Henry Spencer) made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

In article ,
G EddieA95 wrote:
And what is so horrible about our airport measures? Is protecting human life
not worth causing some people momentary embarassment?

If the ridiculous nonsense now going on at airports was actually of any
protective value, that argument might have some force.

No kidding.

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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:02:20 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
"Dave" made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

A Syrian-Canadian who was travelling through the US had this happen to
him.
The Canadian had a stop over in NY and abruptly disappeared... only to
reappear in a Syrian jail 48 hours later.

Boo-hoo-hoo. Poor helpless child. If he was innocent why would
*Syria* --NOT
a US ally--lock him up?!!!

I have assumed that there was a reason why the person in question had left
Syria in the first place.

There could be many reasons, some perfectly understandable, and some
sinister.

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simberg.interglobal.org * 310 372-7963 (CA) 307 739-1296 (Jackson Hole)
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