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"Chinese space advances benefit everyone"
"Henry Spencer" wrote in message
... They already have a Proton-class launcher, the Long March 3B. Whether they feel like donating launches to ISS, or would rather build their own station, is a different question. The fact there hasn't been a Long March 3B launch since 1998 tells me they are some time from trying to man-rate the Long March 3B(A) rocket, which would be necessary for at least a circumlunar mission (one trip around the Moon and back). Any serious attempt at a Moon mission using Shenzhou will probably require the Long March Next Generation Launch Vehicle (NGLV) that will probably start testing just before 2010. -- Raymond Chuang Sacramento, CA USA |
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"Chinese space advances benefit everyone"
I'm afraid the US Guv won't allow the Chinese anywhere near ISS. Darn it.
China didn't sign up to participate. The US fears China's power and doesn't want her to see how we do our tinkertoy in space. However, Chinese space advances WILL benefit everyone because those advances will scare the US Guv into spending more on manned exploration so that we can keep ahead of China. I think that that means that we'll get a manned base on Luna much much earlier than we would've gotten without the Chinese competition. ^ //^\\ ~~~ near space elevator ~~~~ ~~~members.aol.com/beanstalkr/~~~ |
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JimO: "Chinese space advances benefit everyone"
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JimO: "Chinese space advances benefit everyone"
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:24:43 GMT, lid
(John Savard) wrote: On 16 Oct 2003 13:33:37 GMT, lid wrote, in part: You make the observation that there is a small group of anti-american hot-heads (the Taliban), and conclude that all China falls into the same category. That´s the flaw. Hope this helps. I'm concerned about the Chinese leadership. Under democratic rule, the Chinese people would be America's friends. France is a demoracy, yet is France one of 'America's friends'? Look at all the friendly Chinese people in the Republic of China! (Which, I suppose, will have to put a man into orbit too, now.) John Savard http://home.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/index.html Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill |
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JimO: "Chinese space advances benefit everyone"
China is not a democracy.
I'll be dearing now: USA is not a democraty. It doesn't have a free press or free elections. Press not supportive of the govermental actions of USA doesn't get a pass to the stock exchange. If that is not sanction, what is? Democraty means "people rule". They dont. The number of people woting in USA is to low to be considered a democraty. The system is flawed as it is clearly failing. The Chinese people don't have the right of free assembly or the free exercise of religion. You are allowed to be muslim in USA, but you risk losing your job, or beeing jailed without forml reason. Or if you are from another part of the world like Afganistan, you are not given the most fundamental rights as considered by the rest of the world. Bewa The democraty has lasted only about 200 years, there are empires that has lasted a thousand. Don't waste the chance this quick. |
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JimO: "Chinese space advances benefit everyone"
China is not a democracy.
I'll be dearing now: USA is not a democraty. It doesn't have a free press or free elections. Press not supportive of the govermental actions of USA doesn't get a pass to the stock exchange. If that is not sanction, what is? Democraty means "people rule". They dont. The number of people woting in USA is to low to be considered a democraty. The system is flawed as it is clearly failing. The Chinese people don't have the right of free assembly or the free exercise of religion. You are allowed to be muslim in USA, but you risk losing your job, or beeing jailed without forml reason. Or if you are from another part of the world like Afganistan, you are not given the most fundamental rights as considered by the rest of the world. Bewa The democraty has lasted only about 200 years, there are empires that has lasted a thousand. Don't waste the chance this quick. |
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JimO: "Chinese space advances benefit everyone"
"B. Isaksen" wrote in message om... China is not a democracy. I'll be dearing now: USA is not a democraty. Dearing? I assume you mean daring? In any case, any American familiar with our form of government would be apt to agree. We're a Republic. We've never espoused to be a "true" democracy (except perhaps at the town level.) It doesn't have a free press or free elections. Press not supportive of the govermental actions of USA doesn't get a pass to the stock exchange. If that is not sanction, what is? Huh? What are you talking about? The government doesn't control the "stock exchange" (besides, which one are you referring to, we have a number of them you know.) And you can find a newspaper that will cover any subject you want from any point of view you want. Democraty means "people rule". They dont. The number of people woting in USA is to low to be considered a democraty. The system is flawed as it is clearly failing. Proof? Or perhaps the system is wildly successful and people feel little need to express their views. Those who disagree are capable of expressing their views. In fact, one of our states just recalled their governor. So obviously people can express their views. The Chinese people don't have the right of free assembly or the free exercise of religion. You are allowed to be muslim in USA, but you risk losing your job, or beeing jailed without forml reason. Or if you are from another part of the world like Afganistan, you are not given the most fundamental rights as considered by the rest of the world. The recent actions by the US government bear close scruitny. And guess what, they are getting them. The courts aren't exactly happy with everything the White House is doing and has made it clear. Many people aren't happy and they've made it clear. Despite what some may call abuses of our government (and I tend to think we've gone to far in some areas) you don't find people "disappearing". Protests are held, even televised. Bewa The democraty has lasted only about 200 years, there are empires that has lasted a thousand. Don't waste the chance this quick. Well, sorry we didn't get around to our grand experiment sooner. But I'll hazard a guess we'll be around for awhile longer. In fact if you look at most despotic states formed in the last 100 years, very few are left. Tends to argue that they are on the way out. |
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O/T: JimO: "Chinese space advances benefit everyone"
On 18 Oct 2003 07:23:08 -0700, in a place far, far away,
(B. Isaksen) made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Like Bush said: "Eigther you are with us, or against us". Bush didn't say that. rest of unknowledgable nonsense snipped -- simberg.interglobal.org * 310 372-7963 (CA) 307 739-1296 (Jackson Hole) interglobal space lines * 307 733-1715 (Fax) http://www.interglobal.org "Extraordinary launch vehicles require extraordinary markets..." Swap the first . and @ and throw out the ".trash" to email me. Here's my email address for autospammers: |
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JimO: "Chinese space advances benefit everyone"
John Savard wrote:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:10:48 GMT, (Christopher) wrote, in part: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:24:43 GMT, lid (John Savard) wrote: Under democratic rule, the Chinese people would be America's friends. France is a demoracy, yet is France one of 'America's friends'? They gave America the Statue of Liberty! And America gave the French liberation from the Nazis. Which is more important? France is merely confused. Red China, on the other hand, is EEEVIL! Barring a pre-emptive nuclear strike, though, we will sadly have to live with it, and hope the passing of time mellows it. Since the United States outgrew Negro slavery, I suppose there is a case to be made for patience and optimism. Errrmmm... the US didn't "outgrow" slavery. We fought a very big war over it. But if Nazi Germany had been squashed flat the day after the _Kristallnacht_, the world would have been spared the unpleasantness of World War II. Yes, but... we might have gotten to experience the magic of Soviet domination. Had the Nazis been driven out of power early, the Communists in Germany would have been in a stronger position to take over. And of course the Soviet Union wouldn't have been stomped flat by the Luftwaffe and Wermacht. -- Scott Lowther, Engineer Remove the obvious (capitalized) anti-spam gibberish from the reply-to e-mail address |
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