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  #681  
Old December 22nd 16, 12:21 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Default Climate change could cause mass exodus by mid century

wrote:
On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 6:19:01 AM UTC-5, Mike Collins wrote:
wrote:
On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 3:27:53 AM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 6:06:05 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 6:36:01 PM UTC-4, Razzmatazz wrote:

Consumption tax is highly regressive

That is not necessarily true at all. In fact, the more you buy the
more consumption tax you pay.

That makes it less regressive than a poll tax. But it is still worse than a
progressive income tax, which is presumably the standard of comparison being used.

One leading example of a proposed consumption tax is the Fair Tax, which
does not tax purchases up to the poverty line. You only pay tax on
purchases in excess of the poverty line and everyone pays the same rate.
Hence the name, FAIR Tax.





The rich don't have to buy things. They fly in private jets owned by their
companies. Are driven in cars owned by their companies. Live in mansions
owned by their companies.


The tax still gets paid on the initial purchase of said items. If a
company wishes to then offer those as perks to a CEO, so be it.

Learn about your own proposals. Business purchases are specifically
excluded from fair tax. As are second hand goods.

No fair tax here. But you, as an honest citizen are paying their share.


No, they would pay for new goods that they consume. If they consume more, they pay more.




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  #682  
Old December 22nd 16, 02:50 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Chris L Peterson
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 02:45:39 -0800 (PST), wrote:

No, we don't tell it what to do (beyond the high level control of
providing a destination- no different than we do with a human driver).
We obviously provide rule classes,


Rule classes = word salad, peterson.


It demonstrates that you are a fool when you speak about things you
are wholly uneducated about.

such as ethical guidelines, road
rules, etc. Again, no different from human drivers. But there still
isn't going to be a rule that requires a wall over a human, for
instance.


A choice still has to be made, but which human gets to make it?


The people who design the machines, observing the commonly understood
ethics of their society as well as the recommendations of people who
study ethics. This is how things operate now in many areas, and
there's no reason to think the situation will change.

The deep learning is going to result in complex and largely
unpredictable behaviors based on the actual experience of millions of
autonomous vehicles.


The machine isn't learning, that's just hype.


It demonstrates that you are a fool when you speak about things you
are wholly uneducated about.
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Old December 22nd 16, 02:50 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Chris L Peterson
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 02:42:19 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:18:20 PM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 9:57:39 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:

That is not the way these systems work. In reality, the car will
almost certainly be making decisions based on deep learning methods,
meaning that there will be no easily identifiable criteria, and
certainly not any provided by programmers.


Deep learning techniques would indeed be used for the things we don't know how
to "program" - how to *recognize* a human being, how to control a moving
vehicle, and so on and so forth.

But it would still have to be possible to control such a vehicle - to impart to
it a request to go to a given destination. One still needs to tell it *what it
is supposed to do*. Crashing into a wall instead of squashing the jelly-like
objects in front of it... would be done in service of those fundamental goals
which would have to be set for the vehicle explicitly, even though the skills
it uses *to* do these things would be achieved by deep learning rather than
programming in large part.

John Savard


peterson doesn't get that a machine can -only- do what some human has "told" it to do, directly or indirectly.


It demonstrates that you are a fool when you speak about things you
are wholly uneducated about.
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Old January 6th 17, 01:32 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On 20/12/2016 18:12, Quadibloc wrote:
On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 9:26:00 AM UTC-7, Chris.B wrote:

Do fighter pilots need computers to fly their planes?
No, of course not!


Trust the Force, Luke.

Couldn't resist, particularly as I just watched Rogue One the other day...

I'm not claiming that humans are infallible, but they can add some abilities
that machines lack; the two together can make a very powerful team.


Like using Facetime or txting when they are driving a motor vehicle?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/family-sues...ry?id=44506168

Machines don't get so easily distracted from the task in hand.

The creativity of a human and the attention to detail of a machine to
find defects and avoid blunders makes freeform chess the strongest.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown
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Old January 6th 17, 04:21 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Chris L Peterson
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On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 00:39:47 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
wrote:

On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 3:11:14 PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:47:15 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


So the driver/passenger doesn't get to decide?


Thankfully, no.


That's just plain silly, because automated systems will continue to be far more
limited than human beings. So it *will* be possible for criminals to commit
assassination by putting sufficiently realistic dummies... or fresh corpses...
in front of moving cars, if no possibility of an override exists.

Machines aren't at the point that they can "deserve" trust.


But some machines, in some environments, soon will be. And that
includes cars. There's really no dispute that a fully automated car
transport system will reduce traffic fatalities by 90% or more.
Autonomous cars (which are currently just semi-autonomous) are already
less limited than humans, and getting less so all the time.

We will no more allow a human to override an automated car (in the
near future) than we allow a passenger on an airplane to override the
pilot. Are there realistic situations where allowing a passenger to do
that would save a flight? Of course. But allowing such intervention
would result in far more flights being lost. Similarly, the only way
to create a truly safe surface traffic system is to remove direct
control from the passengers in the car.
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Old January 7th 17, 09:48 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 1:17:44 AM UTC-7, Razzmatazz wrote:
Scorching temperatures brought on by climate change could leave large swaths of the Middle East and North Africa uninhabitable by the middle of this century, a new study predicts.

Researchers at Germany's Max Planck Institute for Chemistry and The Cyprus Institute in Nicosia crunched the numbers and found that this area, a "climate change hotspot" where days of extreme heat have doubled since 1970, could soon be plagued by weather so brutal that it triggers a "climate exodus."

On the hottest of days, temperatures in North Africa and the Middle East can reach highs of around 109 degrees Fahrenheit, according to the findings.. But that figure could soar to 114 degrees by 2050, and 122 degrees by 2100 -- extremes the researchers say could have "important consequences for human health and society."

Study lead author Jos Lelieveld, director of the Max Planck Institute for Chemistry and a professor at The Cyprus Institute, says the change in climate could jeopardize the very existence of the area's 500 million inhabitants.

"Prolonged heat waves and desert dust storms can render some regions uninhabitable, which will surely contribute to the pressure to migrate," Lelieveld said in a statement.


The numbers you quote as disasterous are the normal in Phoenix today.
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Old January 8th 17, 12:29 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 2:48:15 PM UTC-6, wrote:
On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 1:17:44 AM UTC-7, Razzmatazz wrote:
Scorching temperatures brought on by climate change could leave large swaths of the Middle East and North Africa uninhabitable by the middle of this century, a new study predicts.

Researchers at Germany's Max Planck Institute for Chemistry and The Cyprus Institute in Nicosia crunched the numbers and found that this area, a "climate change hotspot" where days of extreme heat have doubled since 1970, could soon be plagued by weather so brutal that it triggers a "climate exodus."

On the hottest of days, temperatures in North Africa and the Middle East can reach highs of around 109 degrees Fahrenheit, according to the findings. But that figure could soar to 114 degrees by 2050, and 122 degrees by 2100 -- extremes the researchers say could have "important consequences for human health and society."

Study lead author Jos Lelieveld, director of the Max Planck Institute for Chemistry and a professor at The Cyprus Institute, says the change in climate could jeopardize the very existence of the area's 500 million inhabitants.

"Prolonged heat waves and desert dust storms can render some regions uninhabitable, which will surely contribute to the pressure to migrate," Lelieveld said in a statement.


The numbers you quote as disasterous are the normal in Phoenix today.


Except that it is not accompanied by 98% humidity. A wet bulb temperature of 95 deg F will kill a human in 2 hours. These are conditions that occur around the Persian Gulf and in some parts of the Indian subcontinent.
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Old January 8th 17, 11:02 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Sunday, 8 January 2017 00:29:12 UTC+1, Razzmatazz wrote:

Except that it is not accompanied by 98% humidity. A wet bulb temperature of 95 deg F will kill a human in 2 hours. These are conditions that occur around the Persian Gulf and in some parts of the Indian subcontinent.


Te so called "hiatus" in global warming has now been identified as a result of new, sea temperature measuring devices not matching previous means. Shipping was previously responsible for much of the recording of sea temperatures. Researchers have been able to show that corrected figures, using three different climate models, iron out the former "imagined" pause.

The re-distribution of 500 million "North Africans" to more northerly or southerly latitudes will rapidly cause "Western civilization" to collapse.

Those countries north of the Mediterranean will have to erect impenetrable sea defenses and watch tens of millions die offshore. The whole arrangement will probably have to be left to AI controlled weaponry.

There is no guarantee that the Northern Med's coastal nations will remain habitable. Israel and Turkey will be completely overrun by millions of starving human beings as Africans move north by the only route left open to them..

Meanwhile, terrorism on an unprecedented scale will make life hardly worth living for hundreds of millions of Europeans. The timescale will perfectly match massive unemployment as AI and robotics make most jobs totally obsolete.

Thanks be god Trump is in charge of the global climate at this desperate hour of need! Amen!
We are saved! Amen!
Praise the Lord Trump for having the wisdom of Solomon! Amen!
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